Seacore wrote:I don't like Dramonic, Cobalt, EK or Budja, but I also don't like BC... so many options, I think I'll keep mine where its at until next week.
Why Cobalt?
Budja wrote:The case on EK mostly sucks but her reaction didn't feel very townie and I disliked the Cobalt attack. I'm believing the claim now.
Nice waffling. Which is it? Scumpoint for Budja.
Seacore wrote:So either you [Budja] voted for me because of my bad idea, which means you lied in your voting post, or you voted for me because of earlier cases, in which case you just lied in the above post.
Maybe he did both? Maybe he forgot why?
dramonic wrote:How am I suppose to get a reread done when every time I turn aside 5 pages pop up?
Read faster.
benmage wrote:Amongst those 4 fast unvoters is definitely scum.
Yay for content-free predictions. Scumpoint for benmage.
TonyMontana wrote:Dgb is town.
I really have trouble reading DGB. She's so... goofy.
TonyMontana wrote:Someone, i forget who, articulated perfectly why lynching a claimed cop on day 1 in this game is bad.
I believe that was Vi.
Cruciare wrote:IGMEOY: Seacore, Blood, Cobalt, Pom, Xyl. Plus Coug and Farside for nonsense on the Seacore wagon back then.
Why? For all of them.
Faraday wrote:Seacore is
still
town despite doing his best to not be.
Yes. I actually find his play strangely charming.
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"Xyl was completely berserk" -dramonic
"Xyl's ruthless policy lynching won the game." -Vi
Oh ho ho. [1][2][3][4][5] Why did you wagon Elvis in the first place if you were going to hop off like that once she claimed? What else did you think she would claim? Farside for this post and Coug for this post.
DrippingGoofball wrote:Yeah, TonyMontana, don't get in the way of the no0bz starting a nice Day 1 choo-choo wagon on me! What are you thinking? Let me sit back and enjoy the novelty of being wagoned. I guess these young'uns aren't appraised of how nightkilltargeterrific I am.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that no scum in their right mind would dare take my feisty self on, when they so easily can be rid of me while I sleep. The kids are probably town.
> Implying scum would want to kill people in the middle of the draft over people on top of the draft.
> Contradicting earlier point that scum would need to wagon Elvis when they can just NK her in the first place.
[i]My horse is a motorbike; your argument is invalid.[/i]
Elvis, I think Seacore is town. Cobalt and BenMage don't even have votes.
Be a sweetheart and vote for Dram. Or Budja.
I'm already voting Dram, but if you switch to Budja, I'll vote Budja too.
That should keep things hopping.
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"Metadiving DGB is like playing Roblox" - T3
"She's sort of like a quantum computer, her reads exist in multiple states at once. u have to take into account the other dimensions." - Morning Tweet
Cruciare wrote:> Implying scum would want to kill people in the middle of the draft over people on top of the draft.
Yeah, if these are players that they find hard to influence, or even menacing, why not? If a lot of scums are at the top of the list, they may not want to cut down all the threes that they are hiding behind.
Cruciare wrote:> Contradicting earlier point that scum would need to wagon Elvis when they can just NK her in the first place.
They don't
have to
, but if a few townies are being stupid, you know they are going to 'help.' Everyone loves free stuff, and scum loves free lynches.
Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
"Metadiving DGB is like playing Roblox" - T3
"She's sort of like a quantum computer, her reads exist in multiple states at once. u have to take into account the other dimensions." - Morning Tweet
Yeah, TonyMontana, don't get in the way of the no0bz starting a nice Day 1 choo-choo wagon on me! What are you thinking? Let me sit back and enjoy the novelty of being wagoned. I guess these young'uns aren't appraised of how nightkilltargeterrific I am.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that no scum in their right mind would dare take my feisty self on, when they so easily can be rid of me while I sleep. The kids are probably town.
Unvote
I'm convinced strong points all round.
are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?
Cruciare wrote:Why did you wagon Elvis in the first place if you were going to hop off like that once she claimed? What else did you think she would claim?
Because she's scum, and because it's good play to get a couple of results from a claimed info role before we lynch her. She can still help us find the second scum faction even if she's scum cop.
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"Xyl was completely berserk" -dramonic
"Xyl's ruthless policy lynching won the game." -Vi
Ek's cop claim is interesting. And i'm not sure how to approach how much we trust a cop in this game regarding people they claim as cleared town down the road(untill after we know the cops alignment anyway). Obviously she'll be wanting to help us kill atleast one of the two groups whatever her alignment is, so that's good atleast.
The whole EK wagon was for meta reasons I can't know not having played with her right? Because to me she was far from the scummiest person here.
Speaking of scummiest person here, waiting on dramonics re-read, he like me should be able to catch up with this game when he gets online with how little the games moved today by comparison. Other scummy people in the game ofcourse, but my experience with him was as someone very strong in their opinion who liked to try and direct town, in the game I had with him, he's being very opposite and it makes me nervous. If I didn't have past play with dramonic Cobalt would probably be pretty close to dram on my list.
While your self confidence is admirable calling me town b/c I'm voting for you is lolworthy.
Do you think that she's guilty of the exact opposite of OMGUS, whatever that's called, or do you simply find it weird that she has a town read on somebody voting her?
Something's bugging me about Vi right now, but I can't point my finger on it. DrippingGoofball is acting exactly as I expect her to, so still no read.
elvis_knits 402 wrote:Why are the votes all spread out like this?
Because you claimed Cop.
Notice how crazy monkeys were all banded together until they forced a claim from me, and I called BS. Now they are all scattered and hiding.
True. The people formerly voting you have almost evenly split to two people on each wagon now.
Could you please unvote Seacore and vote either of your other two top suspects (preferably Cobalt)?
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Coug 413 wrote:Something's bugging me about Vi right now, but I can't point my finger on it. DrippingGoofball is acting exactly as I expect her to, so still no read.
When you say something that's committal, let me know.
While your self confidence is admirable calling me town b/c I'm voting for you is lolworthy.
Do you think that she's guilty of the exact opposite of OMGUS, whatever that's called, or do you simply find it weird that she has a town read on somebody voting her?
Something's bugging me about Vi right now, but I can't point my finger on it. DrippingGoofball is acting exactly as I expect her to, so still no read.
I just think her reasons for finding me town, or for finding that townie are fairly absurd.
Also SC you seem to be on the fringes mostly, or at least that's my initial impression. I don't really know where you stand at all on a lot of things, (although I guess it's possible it's my fault) and it seems like you're just..there but not getting stuck in to the thick of the game, fair assessment so far?
are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?
Are you guys aware that Cobalt is first in the draft order?
Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
"Metadiving DGB is like playing Roblox" - T3
"She's sort of like a quantum computer, her reads exist in multiple states at once. u have to take into account the other dimensions." - Morning Tweet
DrippingGoofball 418 wrote:Are you guys aware that Cobalt is first in the draft order?
Yes. Are you suggesting that we should not
*wagon
*suspect
*otherwise pressure
people who are high on the draft order?
Not at all - but I don't people to say "oh shucks I didn't notice!" That's why I am asking whether they are AWARE.
After we have gone after #2 to the claim, now some people are pushing for #1. Just making sure it's all clear.
Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
"Metadiving DGB is like playing Roblox" - T3
"She's sort of like a quantum computer, her reads exist in multiple states at once. u have to take into account the other dimensions." - Morning Tweet
DrippingGoofball 418 wrote:Are you guys aware that Cobalt is first in the draft order?
Yes. Are you suggesting that we should not
*wagon
*suspect
*otherwise pressure
people who are high on the draft order?
Not at all - but I don't people to say "oh shucks I didn't notice!" That's why I am asking whether they are AWARE.
After we have gone after #2 to the claim, now some people are pushing for #1. Just making sure it's all clear.
Hmmm....
DrippingGoofball wrote:
Vi wrote:...there's nothing that says the Cop must be Town, the outburst seemed Townish enough for me to not call fake.
That is true.
However.
There are strategic reasons for the scum to pressure the players at the top of the order, first.
Furthermore if I was buddies with elvis, I sure wouldn't bus her, because that would bring our wild pyjama party in the QT to a sad and premature close. Some of you may interpret this as WIFOM, and that I might have been in fact bus'ing elvis, so be it.
The reality is that elvis would not be a top choice of her buddies to bus. ESPECIALLY if scum, at the top of the order. She'd be way too useful. Yeah, WIFOM. But I doubt it in this instance.
However a townie at the top of the order is an excellent wagon to pursue and get a free claim from.
Thus I think this wagon had lots of scum on it. They had to figure that a player at the top of the order would have a claim they could extract, escape a lynch, without getting their hands dirty in an actual lynch.
So... you're not against voting/wagoning/pressuring people high in the order... but you do think that people who do so are more likely to be scum? Have I got that right?
unvote, vote DrippingGoofball
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Xylthixlm wrote:So... you're not against voting/wagoning/pressuring people high in the order... but you do think that people who do so are more likely to be scum? Have I got that right?
Absolutely. There is no contradiction.
Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
"Metadiving DGB is like playing Roblox" - T3
"She's sort of like a quantum computer, her reads exist in multiple states at once. u have to take into account the other dimensions." - Morning Tweet
Cobalt's wagons fit under three broad categories - unexplained, wagon-hopping, and most curiously, defensive. This one is defensive. I would let it slide, but it's the FishytheFish vote following this post and under otherwise no pressure that got my attention for being a blatant reaction. And
that's
when I started paying attention to Cobalt.
Furthermore. Fishy brought up that he was concerned for why Cobalt didn't pick Cop, as it's an obviously broken Town role. I have a similar concern, as Cop is also a good Mafia role. It's not, however, a good SK role. I have a suspicion for what Cobalt picked that WOULD benefit an SK - especially an SK at the top of the draft order - and that provides another reason for why I would like to see Cobalt lynched.
If there is enough opposition to lynching a high-draft power role today, I would be fine with stalling a Cobalt wagon today -
