Newbie 869 - Game over

[totallynotmafia]

Yeah but telling everyone about it isn't. I don't think there's anything wrong with town having a lynch plan if they want to avoid LyLo.

[Nachomamma8]

Lining up lynches is a scumtell IMO.

If you think my lynching plan is a bad idea, speak up. Saying something's a scumtell doesn't make it so.

[Ellibereth]

Lining up lynches is a scumtell IMO.

If you think my lynching plan is a bad idea, speak up. Saying something's a scumtell doesn't make it so.

You missed 321 mate.
I'm calling it a day and going to bed..

[totallynotmafia]

I can't believe I didn't think of this earlier....

Unvote, Vote Jee

If he flips mafia, then Ellie is a big fat liar and it's game over. If he flips innocent then we save a cop. I've been suspicious of Jee the whole time so unless anyone can see a major flaw in this plan I'm sticking with it.

[Mr Finch]

My thoughts on the claim:

1. It hasn't been counterclaimed. I am reluctant to lynch a claimed cop with no decent evidence.

2. In newbie 843 Tubby216 played exactly the same way (before I replaced) as Sens has been in this game. Tubby/I played the cop in that game. As I write this Sens hasn't posted counterclaiming Elli's Cop Call.

3. I don't think that lynching Jee in TNM's scenario is a good idea. If Jee flips town then we're at Lylo. NK and it's game over. That's not a good plan to me. Or have I done my counting wrong? EIther way, I don't like it.

I want to hear from Sens before I vote and I WILL vote before deadline.

@Nacho - I didn't miss it at all. I had the same suspicion and I voted that way at the beginning of the day. I changed my mind slightly and unvoted Sens. Doesn't mean he's off my radar.

With the latest development, my preferred lynch for today is SensFan or Elli.

[Nachomamma8]

If Sens is town, why am I automatically scum?

Sens has been completely convinced of your scuminess since Day 1. And if his scumhunting is real, then there's an extremely high probability of you being scum because he is a very experienced player and I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be so horribly wrong.

[SensFan]

Alright, cat's out of the bag.

I'm the Cop. Elli is Guilty. Let's actually lynch him now, like we should have done D1.

No time for more from me right now, but I'll be back tomorrow at the latest.

I'll add this, though, since I'm sure Nacho will try to convince you not to lynch Elli. Lynching anyone but Elli at this point is about as stupid as it gets. He's obviously Scum, since it would be beyond stupid for me (as potential Scum) to purposefully give up a 1-for-1. So the right play here (and if Nacho convinces you otherwise, wait for me. I can provide an almost-infinite amount of facts to support my case) is to lynch Elli. If he flips Cop, lynch me. Hint: He won't.

[Mr Finch]

Well, cats and pigeons spring to mind. TBH, that was exactly what I was expecting Sens to say. Potential for huge WIFOM here though...

Who's the scubuddy in your opinion then Sens?

By an unofficial vote count (me reading and making a note from Mod's last count) Elli's at 1 vote, Deer at 2.

[Mr Finch]

EBWOP: I am inclined (considering my last post reference newbie 843) to go with Sens as cop right now and vote for Elli. No rush yet though, Deadline's not until Thursday.

Ooh! Just realised something else. It's said (in this game I think!) Town prefer longer days:

Guys, we hit deadline in less a week btw.

Hmm...

[Nachomamma8]

Unvote, Vote: Ellibereth

Go ahead and die, scum.

I'll add this, though, since I'm sure Nacho will try to convince you not to lynch Elli. Lynching anyone but Elli at this point is about as stupid as it gets. He's obviously Scum, since it would be beyond stupid for me (as potential Scum) to purposefully give up a 1-for-1. So the right play here (and if Nacho convinces you otherwise, wait for me. I can provide an almost-infinite amount of facts to support my case) is to lynch Elli. If he flips Cop, lynch me. Hint: He won't.

Why would you expect me to lynch you after you counterclaimed? That's a pretty stupid thing for you to suggest...

[totallynotmafia]

Sorry if it was my bad you had to claim, should have just kept my mouth shut.

Unvote, Vote Ellibereth

Merry Christmas! Guess now we'll find out for sure if you've been naughty or nice.

[Ellibereth]

Sens has shown a clear willingness as scum to trade himself for a town power-role in past newbie games.

See this game: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9218

Anyway, I call total BS to his claim.

Unvote, Vote Sensfan

If I do go today, my bet is on a Sensfan, Deer scumpair.

[Nachomamma8]

I don't care which of you die today.

[Ellibereth]

I don't care which of you die today.

Not a good attitude, you should try to preserve the real cop. Me.

[Nachomamma8]

Not a good attitude, you should try to preserve the real cop. Me.

Why? If there's a mafia roleblocker, you'll be nothing more than a glorified vanilla. If there isn't, that means that there's no doctor to save you and you'll be killed in the night anyway.

[Ellibereth]

Not a good attitude, you should try to preserve the real cop. Me.

Why? If there's a mafia roleblocker, you'll be nothing more than a glorified vanilla. If there isn't, that means that there's no doctor to save you and you'll be killed in the night anyway.

If there is no doc then it would be the same, but with an rb, I would be an EXTRA glorified townie.

Lookie:

Lynch Senscum
NK (Fails if aimed at me, most likely kills someone else)
4 vs. 1, town vs. maf ratio in Day 3

Lynch Elli town
NK
Lynch Sensscum
NK

2 vs. 1 Lylo situation.

Which is better?

[Deer]

Sens' claim explains the tunneling and it makes sense, considering the general scuminess of Elli. Honestly, I believe him over Elli, so here goes nothing:

Vote: Elli

Also, if Elli turns out scum we need to take a good hard look at jee, Elli's supposed clear. Good possibility they are scumbuddies, especially considering the immediate vote on me right after elli did. That definitely threw me off.

[Ellibereth]

Dead men tell no tales.

[Ellibereth]

Dead men tell no tales.

[totallynotmafia]

If Ellie is scum then I'm almost certain the other is Jee. If Ellie was telling the truth then we lynch SensFan next and go from there. Either way I think the town is in a pretty good position now.

[Nachomamma8]

If Ellie is scum then I'm almost certain the other is Jee. If Ellie was telling the truth then we lynch SensFan next and go from there. Either way I think the town is in a pretty good position now.

Ehhh... your Jee opinion is most likely off, but we can address that later, now can't we?

[totallynotmafia]

Well I think if you look back there's quite a bit that links Jee with Ellibereth (they both just voted for Deer, Ellie saying Jee is innocent, Ellie attacking me straight after I voted Jee) so if Ellie is scum then it makes a pretty good case for Jee too.

But you're right, we can address this later. Just putting some of my thoughts out there in case I get shot.

[Mr Finch]

So, is Elli at L1? I kinda lost count.

[Ellibereth]

Dead men tell no tales.

[jee]

I haven't been around until yesterday after Elli was lynched. So I wasn't going to add anything in, since it is suppose to be night. So we'll let the lynch and NK figure out what happens.

Just letting people know I'm still here.