Mini 892 - Mayor Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Hoopla, have you joined any other games besides this one since Commie Mafia and is so links plz

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Hi DDD, here is a link to 863 and 865. I've also been in 869, but that isn't finished yet, but you can look there too if you want.

Thanks, unfortunately for you, your play here looks a lot more like it did in the scum game you listed than the town game.

[MichelSableheart]

Fourth vote count of day 2:

charter (0)

kyle99 (1)

xRECKONERx

Moai Interceptor Cannons (0)

Debonair Danny DiPietro (0)

Hoopla (2)

Socrates, SaintKerrigan

Socrates (0)

xRECKONERx (2)

charter, Col. Cathart

Col.Cathart (0)

SaintKerrigan (0)

Not voting anyone (4)

kyle99, Moai Interceptor Cannons, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Hoopla

With 9 votes available, it takes 5 votes to lynch someone.

If at deadline no mayority has been reached, Socrates will decide who gets lynched, regardless of the vote count.

[xRECKONERx]

In what ways, DDD?

[SaintKerrigan]

2) Yes. I thought that was pretty obvious, considering half the players here were in Commie Mafia.

Well, I can't always tell what's a joke and what's not. But that is more my problem than yours.

3) I haven't declined. I never said 'HEY NOT GONNA BOTHER DOING ANYTHING TODAY'. I understand it looks this way though.

I phrased the question wrong. It should've been "why haven't you tried to scumhunt today?" Either way, I still find it suspicious.

Do you have other questions for me?

Why didn't you bother to come up with a rebuttal to the case that I posted in the exact same quote you got my questions from?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

In what ways, DDD?

She was more glib with shorter posts in the scum game. As town it looked like she could motivate herself somewhat to actually contribute, but as scum it looked like she really didn't give a crap. In this game her posts have been shorter, glib, and it doesn't look like she gives a crap, simple.

[charter]

Post later, doing Christmas shopping and whatnot.

[charter]

Have a little time. 3 mafia + SK is definitely possible, as is 2 mafia + SK. I think it best to plan for three mafia, that way we don't get caught with our pants down. I agree with kyle that I don't think we have a vig, both of the kills last night don't seem like very good vig shots.

Socrates, yeah, that was a scumslip. Good catch.

unvote, vote Hoopla

I am thinking Hoopla is the SK, and Reck is mafia, so it makes more sense to lynch Hoopla first.

[xRECKONERx]

Vote: Hoopla

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[kyle99]

Vote: Hoopla

No vig means hoopla is probably the sk, and this will limit the # of NKs.

[Socrates]

Yay for quick hammers?

[SaintKerrigan]

Wait, WTF, that was the hammer!

...not that I don't think Hoopla is scum, but seriously!

I'm very suspicious of xReck now, and of Kyle to a slightly lesser degree.

[kyle99]

Wait, WTF, that was the hammer!

...not that I don't think Hoopla is scum, but seriously!

I'm very suspicious of xReck now, and of Kyle to a slightly lesser degree.

If think Hoopla is scum/sk, why wouldn't you want a hammer?

[SaintKerrigan]

I was still waiting to see if she would give a rebuttal to my case. I thought she was scummy, but I wasn't quite ready for the full lynch yet. Bah. Nothing I can do about it now.

Also, I'm naturally suspicious of quickhammers, and xReck's vote looks scummy as hell.

[charter]

Do we not have a mayor or something anymore? The votecount doesn't show Socrates as having two votes. Also, apparently Socrates decides who gets lynched if we hit a deadline, so even though I think Socrates is town, this scenario should never happen.

Anyhow, I'm not sad that the day is over. Hoopla, if you're town and you are a power role and you have useful information, it'd be great if you could post it.

[charter]

and xReck's vote looks scummy as hell.

I'll second this.

[Socrates]

Do we not have a mayor or something anymore? The votecount doesn't show Socrates as having two votes. Also, apparently Socrates decides who gets lynched if we hit a deadline, so even though I think Socrates is town, this scenario should never happen.

Anyhow, I'm not sad that the day is over. Hoopla, if you're town and you are a power role and you have useful information, it'd be great if you could post it.

I lose my double vote if we have an odd number of players. I assume it is a balancing decision to prevent breaking end game scenarios for the scum. (Town couldn't win a 3 man end game with a scum mayor.)

[charter]

Did you receive clarification on that or something? I think I found it in the rules (#26), but I can't make heads or tails of it. I didn't realize that was what happened at all.

[Socrates]

I just looked at the rules and was like, "the only time the mayor can change majority is when we have an odd number of players, so why not just say that?" I was actually expecting to see some other roles that could manipulate votes, just because of the wording of the rules, but we haven't seen any so far.

I actually didn't notice it myself until I got elected.

Anyway, Reckoner is the lynch tomorrow. If he is town, then I guess the scum would be found somewhere between Kyle and Col. Cathart. This is pretty much my view regardless of Hoopla's flip, interestingly enough.

[Hoopla]

At least me dying will provide some information to the town. Sorry for being rubbish.

[Hoopla]

Hoopla, have you joined any other games besides this one since Commie Mafia and is so links plz

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Hi DDD, here is a link to 863 and 865. I've also been in 869, but that isn't finished yet, but you can look there too if you want.

Thanks, unfortunately for you, your play here looks a lot more like it did in the scum game you listed than the town game.

I assumed you'd come to that conclusion, and maybe others would too.

About meta cases; I very rarely see an effective one. Mostly because they are so heavily dependant on the player not knowing they're committing the same action for that alignment. Many players miss that point. Any player that is self-aware of specific parts of their play is capable of manipulating it. This doesn't even bring into account the ridiculously small sample size most players use to form their town/scum meta on a player.

For me personally, I'm sure there are things I do more on either alignment, but this is only effective for other players to use against/for me if it is something I'm unaware of. To assume I'm scum based on my activity/glib posts is to assume I'm unaware I've played like this before as scum, which in turn is to assume I'm awfully dim or forgetful. I can assure you my (poor) play this game relates directly to time/interest, of which I had little.

My hope is that meta cases become less important in games, because most people don't do it right or don't collect enough data. It is the easiest way to trick your mind with misinformation, and an even easier way to just find what you're looking for without considering other motivations/possibilities. Stick to the game you're playing in, and keep meta in the background.

(this isn't a rant at you DDD, just my feelings in general)

[Hoopla]

For what it's worth, my guesses are that Reck is town, and that charter is scum. These are the two major vibes I'm getting right now.

[kyle99]

For what it's worth, my guesses are that Reck is town, and that charter is scum. These are the two major vibes I'm getting right now.

So, are you saying your town?

[Hoopla]

Yes.

[Socrates]

So your feeling is that Charter came out of the gate and bussed his partner from post 1 and never let up?

[Hoopla]

So your feeling is that Charter came out of the gate and bussed his partner from post 1 and never let up?

I don't know.