mini 883-Krazy Mafia Disaster- Game Over. Who won?

[DTMaster]

Also Zoraster's NK explaination makes no sense in light of CSL's flip.

[DTMaster]

Er sorry Porochaz

[Porochaz]

Julien is last. Would prefer to comment afterwards.

[Pomegranate]

Bah.

Go Town!

[julienvonwolfe]

I'm a double voter, with two seperate votes. This can be demonstrated by the shennigans when I hammered ort while trying to keep my ability secret.

[DTMaster]

Ok we have 3 things.

1. Poro's vig kill makes no sense if he targeted CSL because no one claimed redirector/buser. Therefore we have

a. Poro town vig targeting CSL as usual, but Mafia redirecting in some way to Zora. As Poro speculates.

b. Poro scum shooting Zora, claiming redirect/bus occuring on him.

2. But I can kind of see the crumb. It looks like you forgot to unvote for your vote D:.. but I';ll keep it in mind. Though I want to know: why didn't you push for a double lynch on Ort and CSL yesterday? We had enough votes, if UK voted, to do so.

3. No one claimed to get an invention from Zora

[UncertainKitten]

2. But I can kind of see the crumb. It looks like you forgot to unvote for your vote D:.. but I';ll keep it in mind. Though I want to know: why didn't you push for a double lynch on Ort and CSL yesterday? We had enough votes, if UK voted, to do so.

Would it have been worth an investigation at that time? Remember, this was D1, I didn't expect half the group to die in one night, so I figured I'd most likely get a usable result from investigation.


Honestly...Haylen's cop claim is the one I like the least.

[DTMaster]

Haylen's poor bread crumb was poor. I'd admit to that.

Also: This is before the claim: You had only hinted at the fact that your vote was special so...

I don't see why Jullien wouldn't push for a double lynch before the blood bath of today. Unless both you and Jullien had inside information of his role, and the other killing roles: at the time of the day 1 bandwagon we could have done a double hammer.

In hindsight, its much easier to critique. If your investigation is correct and sane then yes it's much more useful then the vote. But I could pretty much say: since you investigated RBT your vote would have been more useful.

Your question reads as: scum slip to a UK/Jullien pairing because it depends on knowing role information that neither of you should have known.

[julienvonwolfe]

I didn't even think of a double lynch, sorry. I've never been in a game where that has happened.

[Haylen]

Haylen's poor bread crumb was poor. I'd admit to that.

I've never breadcrumbed before in a game where I had a real PR. The only one I did do was in cr3t1n's where I a Nilly. I had a self preserving complex. *shrugs*

If I am correct then my role is testable.

[Porochaz]

If we keep yu alive which judging by the amount of kills we dont have.

[Haylen]

Are we in lylo or mylo? What I mean is, is this the time where we're meant to no lynch?

[Porochaz]

Who knows. We have 5 left. We had 4 deaths. One admittedly a bomb. Another was me, even without me we still have 2 kills unaccounted for.

Ill make a table of the possibilities later.

[DTMaster]

Assuming the traditional 3 mafia scum: We are in lylo because we have 2 mafia and 3 townies. We cannot role test anyone unless we lynch scum. (or a vig correctly shoots)

Assuming KMD is evil he can add in SKs (which explains the extra kills) and/or vigs which also explain the extra kills.

Lastly, I don't know the Town EMO concept for mafia scum fourm, but in IRC usually if you don't action you suicide yourself or you have a chance of killing yourself. The vanished flavour is odd, but for a worst case scenerio plan, best assume Pom was killed by someone.

[UncertainKitten]

I don't see why Jullien wouldn't push for a double lynch before the blood bath of today. Unless both you and Jullien had inside information of his role, and the other killing roles: at the time of the day 1 bandwagon we could have done a double hammer.

Fair point. I'm just unsure he would have gotten it. I just didn't think that through.

In hindsight, its much easier to critique. If your investigation is correct and sane then yes it's much more useful then the vote. But I could pretty much say: since you investigated RBT your vote would have been more useful.

I had to sacrifice my vote to use my investigation. I was pretty damn sure it was sane.

[Haylen]

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

I failed by 2 mins

[Porochaz]

Merry Christmas - 54.

[Porochaz]

Happy Birthday as well.

[DTMaster]

@UK
1. Given with what we had to work with day 1, I don't see why. It's just ineffective role play for a double voter. >> I should ask Julien:

Why didn't you think about double hammers? But it's a nonsense question to ask, lol.

Wait if he is a double voter there are 6 votes in play, should it be 4 to lynch because of this?

Vote count mod!

2. Oh. Since you are so sure I'll take your word on it for now.

@Poro
You had something to say: what was it?

@Haylen
Can you contribute moar?

[Porochaz]

our various options and what happens if we vote no lynch etc.

It will take time and be boring work so Im going to do it when its not christmas. We have the time so Im going to use it.

[julienvonwolfe]

I would further say in response to your claim that it's ineffective play:

My strategy was to simply treat myself as a normal vanilla townie, try to do some scumhunting and see a normal lynch happen. While it's true, in hindsight, that ort and CSL would've made good simultaneous lynches, I had a vague idea that should there be two targets later in the game, I could use my ability more effectively then.

*shrugs* As I say, I'm not familiar with double-voters and double lynches.

[Kmd4390]

Vote Count

Note Voting= UncertainKitten, Haylen, Porochaz, DTMaster, julienvonwolfe

With about 5 alive, 3 might lynch

Deadline is January 13 at 4:33 AM EST

[UncertainKitten]

Wait if he is a double voter there are 6 votes in play, should it be 4 to lynch because of this?

Not necessarily, in TTGL mafia Sociopath's doublevote was effectively a bonus. With 11 alive, it was 6 to lynch. Despite there being 12 votes in play.

[DTMaster]

@Jullien
You do know that:

a. We cannot double lynch starting now due to the lylo situation. Unless we absolutely caught both scum, and both scum are cross voting then you can't double hammer.

I repeat

you cannot double vote/hammer right now unless you caught scum

. Especially if both scum players are aligned.

b. That your role is essentially useless unless you are going to hammer someone at L-2 instead of L-1. Unless you effectively catch scum from that L-2, yay! for you. If you are scum yourself, then you only need an L-2 miswagon to win this game.

Aside: Since none of us predicted 4 deaths, and assuming the usual 1 death, I could see why you would wait. Though, again, that's hindsight as you say. Still, I notice that you changed from your stance that:

a. You didn't think of a double hammer to b. you now say its ineffective. Which was it?

[DTMaster]

UK
OIC.