Mafia 39: Back to Gambits - Game over!

[HezLucky]

I'd like to take this moment to be the first to /confirm

*looks around*

Darn...

[HezLucky]

Vote: Jeep

because he is the uber-pro

[/end temporary vote]

[HezLucky]

Huh?

Someone's really defensive.

I'd FOS ya but I'm already voting for you.

Some pro you turned out to be :rolleyes:.

[HezLucky]

Double posting rules!

It's even better when the posts are different.

Identical double posting is lame!

Double spacing also rules. But it's amazingly annoying when someone points it out.

[HezLucky]

You assume too much Fuldu.

He's not the bookie or the inspector.
He may be pro but he certainly isn't acting like it at the moment.
And as for point four, Jeep just contradicted himself.

You assume, assume, say something that isn't true, catch him in a contradiction and then vote for me.

Go figure.

[HezLucky]

Clarification on Investigator/Bookie:

he can't be lynching me on an investigation because I'm innocent (yeah, I know, I can't really prove this to you, but that's why I wrote it)
and he most likely isn't the bookie because if he was, why would he choose me over someone like BJ? He hasn't even played any games with me, thus making his choice quite random.

It's using LOGIC. Logic sometimes fails but I don't think that's the case this time.

FOS: Fuldu

for trying to start a bandwagon on me because of someone else's overreaction.

[HezLucky]

What's the difference between SpeedKQ jumping on Jeep's bandwagon and STD jumping on my bandwagon?

FOS: Blackberry

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[HezLucky]

SpeedyKQ is on the wrong bandwagon, STD isn't.

I'm going to use one of your articles against you here.

It is most often mafia that seem confident of their vote.

Frankly, I think you should look harder. If you believe I'm mafia, you are sorely mistaken.

[HezLucky]

You raise a good point.

Nevertheless, Jeep's strange reaction combined with lack of any sort of reasoning (other than "it was his reason" ...) should've gotten him lynched by now.

But it's Jeep, you're all too afraid to admit he might be mafia.

Bookie can resurrect him anyway IF he's good (see that Jeep? I used the word IF ... something which seems to have disappeared from your vocabulary Mr. Mafia)

And to Blackberry, a mason group might know someone is innocent but they have no way of proving someone else is guilty. As for an inspector, he JUST said he's not voting me on the basis of an inspection. I think you need to pay some attention.

[HezLucky]

Anybody could know something we don't....

In fact, most people probably do.

I don't believe in that logic. But your deflection of the STD bandwagon is noted, and has changed my stance from "iunno" to "yeah, he's a good lynch".

Unvote Jeep, Vote: STD

[HezLucky]

FOS: Blackberry

Mass role claim has got to be one of the stupidest ideas I have heard yet.

FOS: Roland

Stop trying to deflect the bandwagon!

[HezLucky]

Heh... BJ reminds me of IS.

[HezLucky]

Sure ya do.

Of course you're gonna vote for me, I want you lynched.

You haven't done anything to change my vote.

[HezLucky]

The problem is that we've already lost a few roles.

If those were major roles and one of the scum claims it, then we're pretty much giving them the game.

[HezLucky]

Of course you're gonna vote for me over all the others, you were with Jeep against me and didn't want to get off the bandwagon because you thought it would make you scummy to just follow along, hence you are still trying to get me lynched.

Second, there is too much information that can be mined from mafia. Tell me, what good is it if the doctors claim? Then the doctors are picked off, followed by the inspectors, and the town loses a lot. What if, by chance, the doctors claim a townie role and a mafia/werewolf claims the doctor role(s)? What are you gonna do then? Go the entire game iwthout lynching the mafia/werewolf?

Mass role claim this early? I think not. It's a stupid idea.

FOS: Anyone who believes otherwise

. WAYYYYY too early to mass claim. It's better if the mafia/werewolves make kills randomly at this point rather than telling them exactly who they should pick off. Similarly, the inspectors will probably get some more inspections in and that can do nothing but help the town.

[HezLucky]

No, you didn't.

Thank you for using common sense.

[HezLucky]

I'm talking about anyone who thinks I'm suspicious because I strongly dislike the idea of a mass claim. Duh...

[HezLucky]

I'm talking about anyone who thinks I'm suspicious because I strongly dislike the idea of a mass claim. Duh...

Sorry, I misread your post. But nobody thinks that either.

Really? Then what's with all those FOS's I received?

I don't think highly at all of this dybeck wagon. I sense this is one of those things where someone is going with their gut ... if you're right, good work but since the gut is 50/50 I can't exactly join this bandwagon on next to nothing. I'm not gonna try and stop anyone if you try to lynch but I most definitely won't put the finishing vote on dybeck.

[HezLucky]

Thesp in Post 180
STD in Post 184
EYNH in Post 186

That's three. I can't believe you've forgotten yourself. Those are the three that I'm FOSing

[HezLucky]

An FOS doesn't have to be in the form FOS: HezLucky

It was in the form:
I'm suspicious of him, Vote, FOS
from first to third

[HezLucky]

You're doing an excellent job vote-hopping STD.

The fact remains, three people got all over me because I found a mass claim disgusting ... you can't change that, no matter how much you try and twist my words.

First you unvote me because its a lost cause and now you try and vote me again ... I'm starting to think both you adn dybeck are scum together, since neither of you seems willing to vote the other (this can't just be mere coincidence).

But I will stick to my word for now and keep my vote on you.

[HezLucky]

It took Dybeck that long to come up with a claim?

Claim when you're on 8 or 9 next time you coulda gotten speedlynched jeez.

Good idea Puzzle. Let's make everybody claim, unvote and vote for the next person who you want to claim.

Rectum of Suspicion: Puzzle

. I poo on your vote.

[HezLucky]

I would also like to hear the above explanation.

[HezLucky]

I'm sorry but I don't like the idea of "bandwagon-claim-bandwagon" as I'm sure DP has mentioned in a previous game.

Roland's blatant bandwagoning is not helping the town either. Why don't you vote for him? I'm not what you're looking for.

[HezLucky]

Good. Care to offer me some sort of justification that I actually have a chance of defending against?

[HezLucky]

Ah, I understand completely. Is it that hard for you to write that the first time?

Just out of curiousity, who is your third suspicion?

[HezLucky]

Yes, I get defensive. That's not a good reason to vote me.

[HezLucky]

I don't know why roland absolutely refuses to vote STD no matter what...

Just makes me happier with my vote.

[HezLucky]

Confirm Vote: STD

Die Scum!

[HezLucky]

Are you an idiot or something? Just vote STD already.

If STD is the Angel, Bookie puts it on BJ and we lynch him tomorrow, thus resurrecting him.

[HezLucky]

We have two people claiming angel and you are voting for me?

'Nuff said.

[HezLucky]

The one problem with the vigilante and bookie directing kills is that it forces both of them to claim... could be bad.

With that being said, let's hop to it and get STD lynched so we can confirm his innocence ... assuming, of course, that he is innocent.

[HezLucky]

Oh, and I think BabyJesus would still be a good target for the bookie lynch tomorrow. Unless you guys have better suggestions?

This isn't important though. Unless the bookie says otherwise or a cop gets a result then I think that we should assume that BJ was the bookie's choice.

For now, let's lynch STD. Better than him dying at night to the opposing scum group ... this way we can confirm his innocence.

[HezLucky]

Nah, I'm not scum.

I don't think you understand me:

If STD is not killed at night, we have no way of knowing whether it was doctor protection or whether he's lying and is mafia.

If we lynch him, we confirm that he's good and bookie resurrects him later.

If we don't lynch him, for all we know the Angel could be dead ... hence, that gives him a free ride for the rest of the game.

[HezLucky]

viking - I'm talking about STD.

If he's not killed then we don't know WHY. Therefore, we can't really test his claim at night. We must do it at day.

[HezLucky]

I think that BJ is good. Roland's actions reek of scum.

Unvote: STD, Vote: Roland

[HezLucky]

I'll let STD go for now since there is no counterclaim.

Unless you guys want to confirm him, in which case I'm willin to vote him again.

Happy with either an STD lynch or a roland lynch... for different reasons though.

[HezLucky]

What's the opposite of FOS? I mean, the exact opposite. FOS is like ... I'm suspicious of you being guilty.

FONS: Vikingfan

I believe you to be innocent.

[HezLucky]

Unvote Roland

till I figure out what to do.

Yes, Speedy, I normally am this scummy... when I'm town.

When I'm scum I'm surprisingly town-like until caught (in which case I break out the logic machine).

[HezLucky]

I'll let you in on a little secret. Don't tell this to anyone please:

I win with the town.

[HezLucky]

Vote: STD

The best lynch right now, IMO.

I know I'm innocent, BJ seems innocent to me and anybody else would just be a completely random bandwagon. This lynch gives us a lot of good information.

[HezLucky]

MAJOR FOS: BLACKBERRY

Why is vikingfan's logic so hard to understand?

Seems like informatoin-hunting scum to me.

[HezLucky]

Nah, you'd bandwagon anyone who had enough votes provided it isn't you.

If BJ had 4 votes right now and I had 2 and you were originally voting for me, you'd change your vote to him.

You just don't want to be lynched ... which I understand, but at least tell the truth about it instead of making up some excuse.

[HezLucky]

Nah but if BJ had more votes than me and you were voting me you would gladly switchover to him so that he would get lynched instead of you.

That's what your refusing to admit.

I am totally aware that you have been voting for me for a while. I am not challenging that.

[HezLucky]

Well I think your scumdar is broken.

Pretty disgustingly sad for a cop.

[HezLucky]

If this were a regular game, I would not be voting for you.

If roles could be found at night, I would not be voting for you.

But since roles can be lost at night, if you aren't confirmed and are lying then you are given a free ride for the rest of the game with no chance of counterclaim.

I cannot let that happen.

And no, I don't FULLY believe you. If you like diagrams, here is one:

X -----------------O----------C-- Y
I don't believe.......................I believe

O is where I am.
C is where you would have to be for me to not vote you in this game, where the rules are much different from other games.

Once again, I would not be voting for you if roles could be found out at night.

[HezLucky]

I'm starting to think these votes on me are game theory-based.

It is statistically more probable that STD is lying than telling the truth. I would estimate that the odds that he is lying are 2 out of 3 (and these odds would go up later in the game). Not to say he is lying, but in a game where we can resurrect people he is definitely a safe lynch.

Oh, and BJ, Antrax wrote an article for you:
http://mafiascum.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl/Ho ... ood_Townie

[HezLucky]

24 Players -

Can't claim mason for obvious reasons. Down to 21 choices to claim.
No point in claiming townie or else it's an auto lynch. Down to 17 choices.
Judas/Saulus/Vampire/Werewolves/Mafia you wouldn't claim obviously. Down to 8 choices to claim.

And there are how many bad guys? nine.

And what's the best claim for mafia/werewolves? Either claim the doc or cop that you are going after in order to find their role.

Therefore, yes, 2 out of 3. Cop and doc are the most popular claims.

[HezLucky]

And yes, I consider both Judas and Saulus bad. If someone claimed either, I would lynch them twice.

[HezLucky]

GG

Kinda upset I was vigged though.

Goes to show you ... I'm scummy regardless of role.

[HezLucky]

Angel

[HezLucky]

Not sure what you're asking.

[HezLucky]

Looking back the town was seemingly right on nearly everyone but me.

Let's play again! Haha