Pick Your Power - Game. Set. Match.

[Xylthixlm]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 10

BloodCovenent

- 2 - Faraday, budja - (L-8)

budja

- 1 - BloodCovenent - (L-9)

devotress

- 5 - SerialClergyman, DeathNote, Farside22, Cobalt, TonyMontana - (L-5)

elvis_knits

- 3 - Xylthixlm, Benmage, Seacore - (L-7)

Faraday

- 1 - drippinggoofball - (L-9)

SerialClergyman

- 1 - devotress - (L-9)

Players not voting: Benmage, chamber, Cruciare, Dramonic, elvis_knits, FishytheFish, Vaya

If you lynch her she does go away though.

[Devotress]

Why assume that (1) the RB did target the vig (2) why would it be worrysome that the cop got an investigation result to anyone but scum?

I didn't really just assume that, you're narrowing your own view. I said it was one of the possibilities, and was specifically responding to the 2 posts above mine. by Cobalt, the vig, who said he wasn't able to kill me.
The worrysome part was the idea that a scum roleblocker who didn't block EK would have to be buddies. I don't neccisarilly hold that was what happened, it could have been a protown roleblocker, as said in that very same post.

[Devotress]

or a jailkeeper, as said in the very same post.

[Cobalt]

If you lynch her she does go away though.

This option is suddenly quite tempting.
dgb flip gives info on xyl, faraday, vaya, and prolly a few others.

[Benmage]

If you lynch her she does go away though.

This option is suddenly quite tempting.
dgb flip gives info on xyl, faraday, vaya, and prolly a few others.

hrmmm i concur that a dgb fliip will be quite informative.

[Faraday]

hmm lynching her for 'information' is retarded. i'd not be adverse to lynching her b/c she's probably scum though.

[Cobalt]

If you lynch her she does go away though.

This option is suddenly quite tempting.
dgb flip gives info on xyl, faraday, vaya, and prolly a few others.

hrmmm i concur that a dgb fliip will be quite informative.

it occurs to me that a lynch of you would be pretty good too.

[Benmage]

If you lynch her she does go away though.

This option is suddenly quite tempting.
dgb flip gives info on xyl, faraday, vaya, and prolly a few others.

hrmmm i concur that a dgb fliip will be quite informative.

it occurs to me that a lynch of you would be pretty good too.

do go on...

[Cobalt]

If you lynch her she does go away though.

This option is suddenly quite tempting.
dgb flip gives info on xyl, faraday, vaya, and prolly a few others.

hrmmm i concur that a dgb fliip will be quite informative.

it occurs to me that a lynch of you would be pretty good too.

[Benmage]

Y......................mca

[Cobalt]

you aren't contributing very much scumhunting, you're lurky, you ask a lot of questions that could easily be answered by reading the thread (attempt to look town?) and I'm feeling bloodthirsty.

[Benmage]

you aren't contributing very much scumhunting, you're lurky, you ask a lot of questions that could easily be answered by reading the thread (attempt to look town?) and I'm feeling bloodthirsty.

That can be fine an dandy for wanting to lynch me reasons...we can analyze that later...but

How would my lynch/flip, be informative, or by good did only mean since i could be scum?

[Cobalt]

It's the scum one.

[Benmage]

It's the scum one.

Oh well (looks into arsenal of defenses, pulls out....) Pffftb. I'm gonna go play call o duty. I'll check in later, i wanted to weigh in on more since i last spoke with far.

[DrippingGoofball]

TIME CAPSULE OF VAYA STUFF IN CASE VAYA FLIPS SCUM

.

Plum is obv scum btw

*buzz*

Vaya

is obvscum.

One person's voting habits are piquing my interest... and of course I'm not going to tell you whose~

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Plum is obv scum btw

*buzz*

Vaya

is obvscum.

One person's voting habits are piquing my interest... and of course I'm not going to tell you whose~

They're both obvscum.

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Plum is obv scum btw

*buzz*

Vaya

is obvscum.

One person's voting habits are piquing my interest... and of course I'm not going to tell you whose~

They're both obvscum.

Why is Plum obvscum? There's considerably more reason to call Vaya obvscum.
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Is the activity level off the wall or is this my first large game in awhile?

Yes.

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@farside: So I'm scum for calling Seacore scum for the same thing you saw.

Really?

Are you in this game to lynch Seacore, or are you here to parse whether Seacore is scum?

While I don't agree with FtF's reason for voting BloodCovenant in 176, it would be worth my while to make a judgment on him. Please hold...

Xyl is dodging my absolutely serious question about Plum and Vaya.

Coug's posts are as terrible as farside's, not least of which because he's voting Seacore as well. To answer the specific question, though--

Does the size of the wagon matter this early in the day?

Yes. Yes it does.

Cut by Xyl among others: Wow this wagon is scum-driven.

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Vi: How exactly do you distinguish between two people who haven't posted at all?

Player-specific meta and the fact that I know one of them *cough* has been onsite recently.

Fair enough.

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Vi: How exactly do you distinguish between two people who haven't posted at all?

Player-specific meta and the fact that I know one of them *cough* has been onsite recently.

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Vi: How exactly do you distinguish between two people who haven't posted at all?

Player-specific meta and the fact that I know one of them *cough* has been onsite recently.

Fair enough.

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[...]
Scum are
e_knits
Budja
Coug
Vaya
[...]
Please shoot accordingly.

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Erm, is Vaya in this game?

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Erm, is Vaya in this game?

Vaya is in this game.
He is lurking partly because this game is moving so quickly and partly because he is scum and should be shot overnight.

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[...]Okay, derail over, commence lynching Budja/Coug/Xylthixlm/Devotress/Vaya/maybe SerialClergyman and BloodCovenant/etc.
There are a lot of great targets; please lynch one of them instead of the likely Townies.

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Okay, derail over, commence lynching Budja/Coug/Xylthixlm/Devotress/Vaya/maybe SerialClergyman and BloodCovenant/etc.

That is a most excellent list. I'm not seeing Vaya-scum here, but I am not getting townie vibes from anyone else in that accursed group.

============VAYA POSTS AT LAST - HER SINGLE POST===========

Okay, derail over, commence lynching Budja/Coug/Xylthixlm/Devotress/Vaya/maybe SerialClergyman and BloodCovenant/etc.

That is a most excellent list. I'm not seeing Vaya-scum here, but I am not getting townie vibes from anyone else in that accursed group.

Why don't you think I'm scum Goofball? I really haven't done anything yet.

I disagree with about half of Vi's list there(Budja, Vaya, SC, maybe Coug), though I really agree with the other few. And of those, and all the players here, Devotress is the scummiest in my eyes. I'd also support a Blood, Xyl, or Cobalt wagon if they start to grow.

Vote: Devotress

I really disagree with the mindset that we shouldn't lynch Cobalt yet because he's at the top of the draft. If he's scum, and picked the role I'd expect him to pick as scum, I'd prefer to lynch him sooner rather than later. And he is reading scum to me right now. I'd happily vote him if I didn't feel most of the town disagrees with me here, and if I expected him to actually be a potential lynch today.

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NOW WE GET INTO THAT KERFUFFLE WITH XYL WHERE HE ATTEMPTED TO PAINT ME AS HAVING A TOWNIE VIBE ON A PERFECT LURKER RATHER THAN HAVING NO VIBE.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... &start=450 - I wish I could post it all, but it's long so please follow the link provided.
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Why don't you think I'm scum Goofball? I really haven't done anything yet.

I've just played a game with you where you were town. You seem alright so far.

So, here we go, no one can use the excuse that Xyl doesn't have a wagon yet to fail to vote him.

vote: Xylthixlm

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I say we lynch Vaya.

It'll help enlighten connections between her and DGB
AND I dont want a DV in endgame.

Vote: Vaya

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Other than that, the only enlightening thing to come out of the Goofball-Xylthixlm-dramonic threesome is that if one of Goofy and Vaya comes up scum, the other one probably is too.
...Regardless of whatever reflexive retort Goofball puts up.

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Dram seems to be grabbing onto Xyl's case [connecting me with Vaya] with a weird ferocity and unpleasant logic.

Dram, I do not lynch for connections ON DAY 1. Certainly not for connections so tenuous as that. [...] I'm seeing neither DGB-scum nor Xyl-scum out of this, though I admit I am unconfident in my ability to really read DGB.

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Vaya

?

No idea. Needs to post more. Also, doublevoter.

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Scum are
e_knits
Budja
Coug
Vaya

+Goofy

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The players below are cowards afraid to ride wagons.

Cobalt
devotress
Vaya
budja
TonyMontana
Farside22
Dramonic
Benmage

Please grow some,

Love,

DGB

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This is true. Number one pick is going to pick Cop or Vig. Maybe bulletproof if they thought they could draw night kills for being high on the list. It's not that shady for chamber to assume cobalt was vig.

Vaya has only posted once all game, is that the norm for him to lurk this much?

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Vaya has only posted once all game, is that the norm for him to lurk this much?

In one game I'm aware of Vaya posted only once or twice and needed to be replaced. Vaya was scum.

p.s. That's a horrible way to meta people.

fos

Really.

Someone asked about Vaya lurking. I stated a fact.

That's a horrible way to meta people? I didn't even try to generalize.

Oh wait - you're probably scum.

Just because someone replaced out as scum in game 1, doesn't make them scum in game 2 when they do the same thing. It actually means nothing, and is a null if anything.

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But equally as importantly, we have another pressing problem here -- the people that I actually forgot were in the game: Farside and Vaya.

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@MOD

Its the week now....ninja a prod out before new years. Its been 9 days since Vaya has posted....there might be other guilty parties too.

[Cobalt]

Great. Why didn't you wait until vaya flips? Surely people will mention her again in the future.

[SerialClergyman]

DGB is likely to be town. Random 'lets fire up and lynch her' comments are greatly disturbing.

[Cobalt]

Let's fire up and lynch her.

[SerialClergyman]

*is greatly disturbed*

[Benmage]

I never got an answer from Ze mod on Vaya....

SpyreX whats the deal with Vaya.

[Fishythefish]

Telling people the case is awful after EK claims and saying you saw it as an awful case but didn't comment looks bad.

It means you didn't want to be known what you thought at the time and then try to hid[e] the fact after you see a cop claim.

I see this as someone trying to proclaim innocence on a cop claim after the fact. IE scummy.

I didn't want people to know what I thought at the time, and I don't see any problem with that. I haven't said that I said everything I was thinking about EK - I really don't see how I tried to "hide" what I did.

You don't address your "you posted between those" point - I'd like an explanation for this totally false attack.

[DrippingGoofball]

I never got an answer from Ze mod on Vaya....

SpyreX whats the deal with Vaya.

Benmage doesn't seem particularly scummy so far, but if my buddy had gone AWOL, his reaction is EXACTLY what Benmage's is.

Just sayin'

You can criticize the meta all you want, but Vaya has a history of flaking as scum to the point of being replaced, while continuing on with other games at the same time.

Just sayin'

It seems increasingly likely, to me at least, that Vaya will flip scum.

In case I die later I want the information out there.

[DrippingGoofball]

EBWOP:

[Benmage doesn't seem particularly scummy so far, but if my buddy had gone AWOL, his reaction is EXACTLY

what mine would have been

.

[DrippingGoofball]

DGB is likely to be town. Random 'lets fire up and lynch her' comments are greatly disturbing.

Though I haven't claimed, a player suspected of being Bulletproof is going to be top priority for both scumgroups to eliminate during the Day cycle.

I believe the only two roles that can help overcome a Bulletproof player for a successful NK is Empowerer (now dead, so no need to worry about this), or Bus Driver. Other means to get rid of a suspected Bulletproof are Framer (but this requires a simultaneous TOWN cop investigation), or an obv scum Cop that comes up with a false investigation.

As you can see, even though I haven't claimed, I am probably not a long horse in this game.

I'm going to make a solid scumhunting effort to help you guys in the future. I doubt I'll last much past tomorrow.

[DrippingGoofball]

Now for more conjecture about Vaya flipping scum, which might turn out to be a waste of time, but again I won't live too long. I want to leave you with these thoughts, which you are free to only consider after Vaya's alignment and mine are revealed.

Going back to post 889, which I compiled late last night and had no time to analyze.

Note the following:

Vi and Xyl are calling Vaya scum though Vaya hasn't posted. Given Xyl's emphasis on lurker hunts, that's not entirely out of character. Given Vaya's history of lurking as scum, I can't blame Xyl for this. This could pass as legitimate scumhunting or bus'ing. I can't tell which.

Although neither Vaya nor Plum had posted at the time, Vi insists strongly that Vaya is scummier, for being online and not posting in this game. I feel this is too strong/emphatic for bus'ing/distancing, as a scumbuddy would not reveal having caught Vaya lurking. Especially since Vi demands that Vaya be shot overnight. Unless Vaya is a scum Bomb, Vi would not be scum with Vaya, should Vaya flip scum.

Faraday pipes in with "Erm, is Vaya in this game?" - I can't be positive, but this is POTENTIALLY SCUMMY. A neutral pointing out of the lurking. That's what scum would do. Town maybe, but scum definitely.

Vaya comes in and posts like a scared little lamb and never comes back. Another reason why I think Vaya will flip scum. Vaya asks: "Why don't you think I'm scum Goofball? I really haven't done anything yet." I'm not sure how to interpret that. Vaya also writes: "I really disagree with the mindset that we shouldn't lynch Cobalt yet because he's at the top of the draft." - Could be scum emphasizing that we should boldly wagon the top of the draft, but not really something town wowuld emphasize. Possibly less, but this is something scum would be slightly more inclined to point out than town.

This from Vaya reeks of distancing: "

I'd happily vote him if I didn't feel most of the town disagrees with me here, and if I expected him to actually be a potential lynch today.

" - I mean guys, think about it. It's so pure.

On the Xyl kerfuffle, all I'm going to say is that he tried to put words in my mouth that I never said. That is scummy. No doubt about it.

Dramonic pipes in with: "I say we lynch Vaya. It'll help enlighten connections between her and DGB." - If Vaya flips scum, Dramonic must die immediately, because here Dramonic is (1) bus'ing and (2) trying to tie-in a townie lynch to it.

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CONCLUSION:

(1) Vi - absolutely not scum with Vaya.
(2) Xyl and Dramonic try to tie in a townie (me) by creating a false link.
(3) Small uptick in the likelihood of being scum for mentioning Vaya lurking in a neutral context: Devotress, Faraday, Cruciare.
(4) The mercury bursts out of the thermometer for Benmage

going through the mod

to inquire on a lurker situation. "

@MOD Its the week now....ninja a prod out before new years. Its been 9 days since Vaya has posted....

there might be other guilty parties too.

" AND having a follow up post about it. Really sounds like he's worried about his buddy being lynched for flaking. I'd cry to the mod, too.

Note that Benmage didn't inquire to the mod about FARSIDE's lurking as much as Vaya - that's because he's not worried about Farside, Farside isn't Benmage's buddy.

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VAYA BUDDIES, in decreasing order:

Benmage (~100% certainty) (special note, Benmage NOT scum with Farside)
Dramonic (80% certainty)
Xyl (> average)

SCUM FOR REASONS NOT TIED IN WITH VAYA:

Faraday
BloodCovenent
elvis
Xyl