Mafia 107 - Christmas Time Mafia (Game over)

[pman5595]

also: DizzyIzzy, any particular reason you are voting for Annachie? That vote is still in place from when you voted for CSL in the first post of the RVS

Asked and answered Pmann. Why ask again?

I must have missed it the first time. I noticed it with the most recent vote totals. But it has been answered again anyway.

[ready2rock]

In short, he has only addressed the wagon on someone and uses the person's claim as to why he is not voting for them.

So I am scum who doesn’t a.) want to get a quick lynch, and b.) wants the day to go longer to get more information? Nice.

Where did I say that you wanted a quick lynch? The conclusion I am drawing (that you didn't quote by the way) is that " He has not looked at the actual case that people use against someone." In other words, you didn't address the reasons why, for example, you didn't vote for TheLonging other than saying "Oh, he claimed VT and it's in GREEN FONT, so he must be telling the truth and x amount of people on the wagon must be scum.

He also voted for pie, calling him the scummiest player, and hasn't mentioned him since.

Wait wait, no I am scummy because I opinion changed? I think you are the scummiest player now, funny how you didn’t have a problem with my stance when I said it about Pie.

Again, not the point I was trying to make. You called him the scummiest player and all of a sudden, you unvote the really scummy player with no reasoning or any views on him such as "his last few posts have seemed a lot more pro-town to me". It's as if once I made my post, pie just went away and I'm positive that if I hadn't voted for you, I would have too. I don't like it.

Do you find it suspicious?

Meh, not really….think I have already stated who I find or have found suspicious.

Really, where? I went through all your posts and did not find anything about a list of suspicious people.

Also, I will clarify my question. WHY do you not find RichardGHP suspicious (outside of his claim)?

Do you have any reasoning as to why I'm such a good wagon other than the reasons I have defended in 342?

I am an expert scum hunter…LOL…how about this…your timing of both the main wagons you have been on. Day 1..not much to go on….I find things that people (especially newer people) argue are scummy day 1 are not indeed scummy, but scum trying to push something to get a quick Day 1 lynch.

...So all arguments on day 1 are invalid? That would make your argument against me invalid and anyone who has posted any opinions today on suspicions scum. Also, I can't help the timing of my votes. What do you want me to do, scumhunt and post in my sleep? Make sure that I'm the first to vote for someone? I guarantee that that will not get anyone anywhere.

R2R, why did you not address my reasons I don’t like a Richard lynch? You scared?

Again, point out these above reasons, because I can't find them. Also, AtE.

also, R2R is a much better wagon.....

Bullshit, I don't see how R2R is a much better wagon than RichardGHP. How do you think he is?

LOL, wasnt R2R on your wagon at one point? Interesting connection.

I was, but so were about half of the other players. What are you trying to imply?

please comment on why I dont think richard is a good lynch today...then explain to me WHY richard is a better lynch? Why do you think that statement is bullshit? Why did you not address the post directly before that statement?

He has already made his case against Richard, a case, like all of the other ones except mine, that you just ignored, but I'll let TheLonging speak for himself.

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Hey Richard….you understand that if you are not the lynch today…you are going to have to use your investigation ability tonight…I don’t want any bullshit, like I forgot..or didn’t see your post..or any of that. Do you have a problem with that? IF so why?

See Fugitive's post on this subject.

Oh, and if your investigation is blocked, we'll really be in a pickle. I'm not sure I'd believe you if you come back with a blocked investigation. That'd be too easy to make up, you know?

whoa whoa whoa...what? Who said anything about a RB? do you know something we dont? If he is blocked, he is blocked and we will deal with it tomorrow. Considering you didnt unvote with this posts leads me to believe you dont even want an attempt to see if he is lying..or see if he is blocked. Welcome to my scum list, bub.

Unvote, vote sorasgoof

this post (and lack of an unvote) screams inside knowledge and fear.

again, I will let sorasgoof address this.

oh oh , guess what R2R, I think Soras is now scummier...does that make me scummier?

See above about pie.

I'm not really comfortable believing RichardGHP's claim still. Sure it seems beyond his capability to look it up and try to fake it... but I wouldn't put it completely beyond him.

I suggest you do use your investigation tonight, Richard. Someone better protect you, though, or it won't matter one way or the other. If you aren't mafia, I'll bet the mafia targets you tonight.

You slipping up a bit there sorasgoof?

FoS: sorasgoof

so let me get this straight. You dont believe Richard's claim, and as "town" dont want an attempt to see an investigation?

Again, see Fugitive's post

Furthermore, you think that sora might have "slipped", but it only deserves an "fos" over someone who might or might not have an investigation?....interesting...can you please confirm this is your stance.

Actually, it's not his stance. His stance is that it deserves a FoS over someone that is LYING about having an investigative role.

Responses in

italics.

[Fugitive]

I know. That's why there are a lot of useless players, too. Continue being secretive.

I'll just push a wagon on you

, I guess, if you're going to justify your voting with "gut instinct." It's scum behavior, and scum reasoning.

Implying you could control the town and start a wagon. Fairly scummy as it's scum who want to control the town and not necessarily a townie's goal to have control. You're cementing my FoS.

Still going through r2r's posts...

[TheLonging]

LOL, wasnt R2R on your wagon at one point? Interesting connection. please comment on why I dont think richard is a good lynch today...then explain to me WHY richard is a better lynch? Why do you think that statement is bullshit? Why did you not address the post directly before that statement?

I know he was on my wagon. I found nothing overly suspicious about R2R. I know I probably missed something but nothing really stood out overall as scummy. You don't think Richard isn't a good lynch because you believe his claim as Jack Of All Trades. I forgot if you commented on anything else about Richard, but the only thing I remember you talking about Richard was after he claimed. I think he's a better lynch because of all his posts combined together (or the vast majority of them) are scummy. I can't really believe his claim as much as you do.

so let me get this straight. You dont believe Richard's claim, and as "town" dont want an attempt to see an investigation? Furthermore, you think that sora might have "slipped", but it only deserves an "fos" over someone who might or might not have an investigation?....interesting...can you please confirm this is your stance.

I don't believe his claim. Like I said before, I don't think he'd go so far to fake a claim like that, but I wouldn't put it beyond him.

Unvote: RichardGHP

I wanna see if Richard's claim is true... if it is, I'll back off. His playing is scummy, but I don't mind seeing if his role is true. If it is I'll back off on him.

As for sora: He's been consistently posting stuff that seem pro-town. His comment made his suspicious level rise quickly in my eyes, but it didn't really overrule it my current vote. His other posts have been pro-town, so I didn't think it was really worth a vote, but he seems like if he keeps doing something suspicious/scummy like that, I'm most likely voting for him.

[Tarballs]

7th Vote Count of Day 1

5 - RichardGHP

(InflatablePie, Nicodemus, diddin, NavyCherub, CCARaven4)

3 - TheLonging

(Konowa, Bogre, RichardGHP)

2 - sorasgoof

(DragonsofSummer, curiouskarmadog)

1 - DragonsofSummer

(Parama)

1 - Annachie

(DizzyIzzyB13)

1 - Konowa

(EtherealCookie)

1 - curiouskarmadog

(ready2rock)

6 - Not voting

(Annachie, malpascp, pman5595, Fugitive, sorasgoof, TheLonging)


With 20 alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch.

Deadline for this day is January 21st, 2010.

[curiouskarmadog]

Hey Richard….you understand that if you are not the lynch today…you are going to have to use your investigation ability tonight…I don’t want any bullshit, like I forgot..or didn’t see your post..or any of that. Do you have a problem with that? IF so why?

Hey ckd... you understand that I can't give you anything if I get roleblocked tonight, don't you?

No, I don't have a problem with using it tonight. But you have to understand, I may not be able to come up anything due to a roleblock. Please understand that.

what is with all the coversation about a RB? I realize that you might be blocked, but I dont want that excuse tomorrow by saying "well I did this because I thought I was going to be RBed"....that is what I will call bullshit....now if you are RBed, we will have that conversation tomorrow, but right now, you are close to being lynched. IF you really have an investigative ability….then you should use it. The above post feels like you are laying ground work for excuses tomorrow. But to assume that a.) mafia has a RB and b.) that they will use it on you is a stretch.

R2R, in the future, do not respond with italics, it will only make for a unreadable quote pyramid back and forth.

-I didn’t vote the longing because a.) at the time, I didn’t want a quick lynch, and b.) I didn’t think he was scum.

-I changed my opinion. I have also mentioned other people I think are scummy…why not mentioned “I haven’t said anything about them”?

-“why do I not find Richard suspicious”…well, I never said I didn’t…what I did say is there are people who I think are MORE suspicious. Also check out my post 7, Kon asked who I felt was scummy.

-no not all arguments Day 1 is scummy. But a lot are suspicious. And I don’t think you are understanding what I mean by timing…it isn’t the time of day…it is your position on the wagon itself..

-I (as you have stated) haven’t posted that much, so I don’t know why you are having such a hard time finding information in them….please read my post 11, I explain why Richard is not a good lynch for the town (actually the first person in this entire game to use this reasoning)…now that you have found please address.

- r2r, why you are addressing the entire post? The whole thing wasn’t directed toward you?

-r2r, interesting you are speaking for the longing now. Why don’t you let him state if it is a stance or not.

[TheLonging]

-r2r, interesting you are speaking for the longing now. Why don’t you let him state if it is a stance or not.

I'd rather not have him speaking for me. If he wants to respond to one of my points directed to someone else because he wants me to clarify it or to call me out on it, fine, but I don't want him speaking for me. It annoyed me a bit too.

[ready2rock]

-I changed my opinion. I have also mentioned other people I think are scummy…why not mentioned “I haven’t said anything about them”?

You keep saying that you have mentioned other people, but WHERE (outside of a post you made 10 pages ago)?

“why do I not find Richard suspicious”…well, I never said I didn’t…

Do you find [Richard's play] suspicious?

Meh, not really

no not all arguments Day 1 is scummy. But a lot are suspicious.

What arguments are suspicious? I feel that I have stated my reasoning quite clearly and have provided original content about the person I am voting for. If not, please find somewhere (outside of RVS) where I haven't.

Also check out my post 7, Kon asked who I felt was scummy.

OK, do you stand by those suspicions? Has that list changed? if so, to whom?

I'll try this question one more time. What do you think of RichardGHP's play throughout the game? Do you think that the people who have voted for him, especially the people who have given a PBP analysis on him, have a legitimate case against him? WHY OR WHY NOT?

And I don’t think you are understanding what I mean by timing…it isn’t the time of day…it is your position on the wagon itself..

see above.

please read my post 11, I explain why Richard is not a good lynch for the town

1. what is this part in response to?
2. Please use post subjects instead of your format (i.e. post 389 instead of my post 11), it makes it easier to find for me.

Also, I apologize to TheLonging in trying to speak for you. I thought that, given your previous posts on the subject, that that was reasonable to infer. However, if you feel annoyed by it, I won't do it again.

[RichardGHP]

Hey Richard….you understand that if you are not the lynch today…you are going to have to use your investigation ability tonight…I don’t want any bullshit, like I forgot..or didn’t see your post..or any of that. Do you have a problem with that? IF so why?

Hey ckd... you understand that I can't give you anything if I get roleblocked tonight, don't you?

No, I don't have a problem with using it tonight. But you have to understand, I may not be able to come up anything due to a roleblock. Please understand that.

what is with all the coversation about a RB? I realize that you might be blocked, but I dont want that excuse tomorrow by saying "well I did this because I thought I was going to be RBed"....that is what I will call bullshit....now if you are RBed, we will have that conversation tomorrow, but right now, you are close to being lynched. IF you really have an investigative ability….then you should use it. The above post feels like you are laying ground work for excuses tomorrow. But to assume that a.) mafia has a RB and b.) that they will use it on you is a stretch.

I higly doubt that the mafia doesn't have a RB. Even then, there is still most likely a town RB that could end up RBing me. I think it's pretty safe to say there is at least one RB in this game.

Regardless, I was just making sure you were aware of the possibility.

[DragonsofSummer]

@everyone: Stop speculating on roles in this game. Role speculation, and night action speculation are both scummy. Hence my vote on Soras, he basically just tried to guide the night actions of multiple players in this game, some of which might not even exist.

@cks: I do, but I would rather hold off on my thoughts for now.

@cookie: I will give thoughts on the case I am currently pursuing and anything that might be connected to that case. Also are you really going to bust my balls over an unexplained fos?

[InflatablePie]

Back from another long day at work. Happy New Years. ._.

@Bogre (387): I essentially stated that in last night's observation post, and I agree. Still suspicious of pman.

@ckd (389): I'll admit, the possibility of an investigation slipped my mind. Since we get a scan best-case, I'll

unvote

. I don't believe his claim due to his scummy actions and if he had claimed anything besides a scanning role (even one-shot), I'd still be on him. Remember that post about me not changing my mind? Yeah, I was stupid to say that.

@ckd (390): I don't get it.

@malp (399): I agree with talking before deadline... but we have had pages upon pages of stuff to talk about, and you say NOTHING else?

FoS: malp

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@Fugi (402): I think he "just found" this role. I have reason (minor "evidence") to believe so, but it can kind of go circular.

@sora: (408/409): Seems like an odd thing to mention. Also *facepalm*.

@Fugi (427): How did I miss that? Devil's advocate, he could mean he'll just yell OMG FUGI IS TEH SCUM over and over. Worth noting, thanks for pointing that out.

@Longing (428): Your posts have taken on a slightly more aggressive tone, but you're contributing more. Still holding suspicions, though.

I'm off to watch the finale of TWBB, but expect me to do a (although probably short) PBPA of my two FoSes so far: diddin/pman later tonight (at the latest, tomorrow night).

[sorasgoof]

Oh, and if your investigation is blocked, we'll really be in a pickle. I'm not sure I'd believe you if you come back with a blocked investigation. That'd be too easy to make up, you know?

whoa whoa whoa...what? Who said anything about a RB? do you know something we dont? If he is blocked, he is blocked and we will deal with it tomorrow. Considering you didnt unvote with this posts leads me to believe you dont even want an attempt to see if he is lying..or see if he is blocked. Welcome to my scum list, bub.

Unvote, vote sorasgoof

this post (and lack of an unvote) screams inside knowledge and fear.

I did unvote, so I don't know what you're talking about, really.

Did I really bring up something that no one had thought about? It seemed like a pretty obvious thing to me. I was just saying that he could easily fake a "blocked" investigation to strengthen his assertion that he's a JoaT.

[Parama]

Back, been away since around 2 PM yesterday with no internet access.
First off,

Mod: my vote has been on DragonsofSummer since page 12 of the thread

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Second, that hasn't changed after I read through the thread up to this point.

Third, I do not have the time right now and will not have the time for a while to respond to the 6 pages I came back to. If there's anything specific you want me to look at/respond to, I'll try, can't promise anything. It's too late for me to type up anything tonight and I have homework that I have to get done tomorrow and Sunday.

[RichardGHP]

Did I really bring up something that no one had thought about? It seemed like a pretty obvious thing to me. I was just saying that he could easily fake a "blocked" investigation to strengthen his assertion that he's a JoaT.

HOLY MAFIA, BATMAN, MY SCUMDAR IS TWITCHING! That last post of yours (before the one quoted) made me quite suspicious indeed.

By posting the previous post of yours, not only are you subliminally suggesting to the mafia how to play their next move, but you also may have ruined tomorrow, since if my investigation is RB'd, we have nothing to go on tomorrow and are back at square one.

[sorasgoof]

Did I really bring up something that no one had thought about? It seemed like a pretty obvious thing to me. I was just saying that he could easily fake a "blocked" investigation to strengthen his assertion that he's a JoaT.

HOLY MAFIA, BATMAN, MY SCUMDAR IS TWITCHING! That last post of yours (before the one quoted) made me quite suspicious indeed.

By posting the previous post of yours, not only are you subliminally suggesting to the mafia how to play their next move, but you also may have ruined tomorrow, since if my investigation is RB'd, we have nothing to go on tomorrow and are back at square one.

All right, let's think for a minute. What would be easier for you to fake? An investigation, or simply saying that you were blocked? It doesn't take any thought at all for you to lie and say you were blocked.

Also, if the mafia does have a role-blocker, do you really think they wouldn't have blocked someone tonight anyway? How am I scummy for trying to anticipate their actions?

Lastly, if I had never posted anything, and you are blocked, we'd still have nothing to go on tomorrow, so it's a moot point.

[EtherealCookie]

I know. That's why there are a lot of useless players, too. Continue being secretive.

I'll just push a wagon on you

, I guess, if you're going to justify your voting with "gut instinct." It's scum behavior, and scum reasoning.

Implying you could control the town and start a wagon. Fairly scummy as it's scum who want to control the town and not necessarily a townie's goal to have control. You're cementing my FoS.

Still going through r2r's posts...

Lol.
You remind me of someone who PICKS their target and tries to read over their posts to nitpick everything that seems scummy, instead of someone who looks for something scummy to find a target.

[RichardGHP]

All right, let's think for a minute. What would be easier for you to fake? An investigation, or simply saying that you were blocked? It doesn't take any thought at all for you to lie and say you were blocked.

People would be able to find out if I faked an actual investigation. I guarantee it, there would be flaws all over the place. People would find them easily enough. Therefore, I actually intend to carry out a real investigation, most likely tonight. My noob-like play should have made that obvious by now. You really think I would, and more to the point, could, fake something like that?

Also, if the mafia does have a role-blocker, do you really think they wouldn't have blocked someone tonight anyway? How am I scummy for trying to anticipate their actions?

You miss the point. By posting what you did, you were giving the mafia the idea of roleblocking me. "OMG guyz dis guy is gunna look like scum if he gets roleblocked tonight! gogo RB!" is a fair interperatation in my mind.
You weren't anticipating their actions, you created one for them to contemplate.

Lastly, if I had never posted anything, and you are blocked, we'd still have nothing to go on tomorrow, so it's a moot point.

I really don't think this statement is worth arguing over, so I'm going to leave it at that for now.

[sorasgoof]

All right, let's think for a minute. What would be easier for you to fake? An investigation, or simply saying that you were blocked? It doesn't take any thought at all for you to lie and say you were blocked.

People would be able to find out if I faked an actual investigation. I guarantee it, there would be flaws all over the place. People would find them easily enough. Therefore, I actually intend to carry out a real investigation, most likely tonight. My noob-like play should have made that obvious by now. You really think I would, and more to the point, could, fake something like that?

Exactly, which is why you could take the easy way out and fake a blocked investigation. What aren't you getting?

And as for someone role-blocking

you

, I actually didn't think of that. I'll admit I made a mistake there.

What I'm trying to say is that if you're lying about being a JoaT, it would be easier for you to fake a blocked investigation than to try to create a "real" fake one, if that makes sense.

Getting off for tonight.

[sorasgoof]

All right, let's think for a minute. What would be easier for you to fake? An investigation, or simply saying that you were blocked? It doesn't take any thought at all for you to lie and say you were blocked.

People would be able to find out if I faked an actual investigation. I guarantee it, there would be flaws all over the place. People would find them easily enough. Therefore, I actually intend to carry out a real investigation, most likely tonight. My noob-like play should have made that obvious by now. You really think I would, and more to the point, could, fake something like that?

Exactly, which is why you could take the easy way out and fake a blocked investigation. What aren't you getting?

And as for someone role-blocking

you

, I actually didn't think of that. I'll admit I made a mistake there.

What I'm trying to say is that if you're lying about being a JoaT, it would be easier for you to fake a blocked investigation than to try to create a "real" fake one, if that makes sense.

Getting off for tonight.

Sorry for the misplaced tags. I fixed 'em for you guys.

[ready2rock]

And as for someone role-blocking you, I actually didn't think of that. I'll admit I made a mistake there.

Wait, What? Wasn't that the point that you were trying to make, that he could claim that someone had role-blocked him?

That seems like a contradictory statement,

FoS sorasgoof

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[Fugitive]

I know. That's why there are a lot of useless players, too. Continue being secretive.

I'll just push a wagon on you

, I guess, if you're going to justify your voting with "gut instinct." It's scum behavior, and scum reasoning.

Implying you could control the town and start a wagon. Fairly scummy as it's scum who want to control the town and not necessarily a townie's goal to have control. You're cementing my FoS.

Still going through r2r's posts...

Lol.
You remind me of someone who PICKS their target and tries to read over their posts to nitpick everything that seems scummy, instead of someone who looks for something scummy to find a target.

Not only that, but your defenses are merely insults and deflections onto me. Not very solid at all.

[InflatablePie]

I'm alive, my internet just went down the shitter for a while. I'll post something after I read through the thread.

Vote: TheLonging, for 2 reasons.

1. OMGUS vote
2. Random voting is very anti-town and you should at least have an opinon on who is acting scummy and who isn't.

FOS: Richard, for jumpy voting habits and wagoning, but he tends to do that in all of his games and I need more to determine if it's because he's scum or because he's a noob.

Internet down the shitter or not, he posts after a vote and pseudo-prod. Votes TL after Konowa, and FoSes Richard after 5 votes (4 of them unvoted) for "jumpy voting habits". Richard refused to RVS vote, voted Fugi for "bandwagoning" in 29, then unvoted a page later in 54.

As an example, pman jokevotes "everyone" in 7 (and unvotes, saying the RVS is stupid), RVS votes soras in 18, unvotes in 32, votes Fugi in 46, unvotes in 49. But Richard has jumpy voting habits. Mmkay then.

In his vote on TL, his reasoning fits but I believe his points were already made by others (Parama addressed the OMGUS feel, pman addressed RLing). Ann points this out in 165.

unvote, TL seems honest and it looks like he just made a beginner's mistake for me.

Pman however, starts out the game inconsistently in the RVS, then seems eager for somebody to hammer TL. Posting that TL is at L-1 without adding any other content could mean "hey mafia buddies, somebody hammer him quick!" Not enough to warrent a vote, but enough to warrant an FoS for pman.

This is after r2r's 187, asking why people think TL is scum. Looks like diddin never had a real reason to vote. Calls out pman on his RVS stunt finally. I'm suspicious of pman, but I think that's a stretch.

I'm going to go ahead and Vote: No Lynch. All of this blind speculation is just causing paranoia and I think it would be better to not have a lynch unless I see something particularly scummy.

Do I really need to address this? scumdar go twitch twitch

Richard, Navy, Bogre express their opinions on this, and...

unvote, thanks for letting me know. I'm still semi-new to the mafiascum rules. I want to be sure I'm voting for a scum, or as sure as I can, so I'm holding back my vote.

You know what's funny?

Personally I dislike the diddin unvote, it seemed too eager.

Not buying this newness crap.

*quote tunnel*

Paranoia is scummy because when you are paranoid, you have an excuse to vote a townie and your paranoia "justifies" it. In other words, it's an excuse for bussing townies. You want to assume everybody is town and hunt for scum, not assume everybody is mafia and hunt for town.

And Pie: wouldn't it seem more scummy if I kept my vote for a no lynch after all of the suggestions. I think suspicion would be directed towards me either way, but I still want to find scum this round.

First off, being paranoid is scummy because town doesn't have a reason to be paranoid on Day 1. Or, at least, scum has way more reason to be so. Not to mention, you're not Richard (paranoia question was directed to him), are you?

Stresses again that he wants to find scum. Which he can't do with noting NL. A 180. And yes, since you voted NL in the first place, it didn't matter what you did, but if you would have pushed for NL, I would have found you scummier, I admit.

Beginning of this thread was RVS, I was gone because of bad internet, but the only thing I saw that was particularly scummy was pman self-contradicting himself and Richard's OMGUS vote. Konowa also seemed to want to start a wagon. Fugitive and Richard argue over who's badwagoning and OMGUSing, Richard unvotes in a STOP SUSPECTING ME! manner. TL promotes a random lynch and OMGUSes Konowa and the wagon starts on TL. TL claims Vanilla Townie, the wagon on him falls apart. Not really much else has happened in terms of voting.

People I'm suspicious of:

RichardGHP: the only thing he ever does is noobclaim and his voting habits are iffy. I'd like to see more content from him.

CCARaven: His "waffling" post seems to be trying to cover up potential scum-buddies while making himself look innocent by still being semi-suspicious of them.

TheLonging: even though the wagon on him fell apart, he's still semi-suspicious for OMGUS voting and making an appeal to ignorance where he says it was an accident that his post came off so scummish. He might be scum, but I'm getting a town-vibe from him.

pman: bad voting habits, overeagerness to be helpful, and just overall having some scummy actions.

Didn't mention pman until his second post, actually. Adds a small summary to fluff up his post. Then says why he's suspicious of [x], even though every reason seems to be a rewording.

Read his description of Raven. Then read TL's. Then Raven's. Then TL's, maybe looking at the last sentence an extra time. Repeat as necessary. Yeah.

Why are we all talking about whether Navy's gonna flip scum? He's done nothing to warrant a lynch, and "lynch him so we can find about others" is not a good idea. So why all of this blind speculation. I think it's just Richard's playing style to not work with people so that he can't be held accountable when they die.

I don't recall anyone pushing to lynch Navy, like he's implying. I mentioned it's noteworthy that in my eyes, if Navy flips scum, Richard's suspicions will skyrocket, if he's still alive. It's speculating a tad, but I like to make note of little things.

*quote tunnel*

Either Richard's scum, or he's the wussiest townie out there. He seems to play only for his own survival, and goes crazy when someone even begins to suspect him. Personally, that's really scummy.

See 265. Why'd you vote for NL, and why didn't you vote Richard then?

Richard, nobody asked you to claim, your voting habits still suck, and you play WAY too paranoid. The eager claim cemented my vote.

Vote: RichardGHP

Finally votes Richard. Not new reasons. Yawn.

I'm not liking how Dragons seemed so eager to jump on soras for talking about the potential for Richard being blocked. I still think Richard is lying, but it's pretty scummy to give the mafia any ideas, but the mafia probably would know to anyways, to the post is rendered moot.

But this, but that, but this. Flip flop more, please.

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Anyways, I'm not sure if I'll have my PBPA of pman tonight - he's made more posts and I probably will have more to offer. I'll try and get to it by tomorrow night after work.

Note: something I noticed on P1/2 - TL votes for Navy in the RVS, then switches to Rich. Later, he sorta tries to "distance himself" as I've already seen. Since I don't believe the RVS is "truly random" for scum, it's something of note that I'm not sure was mentioned. Worth a mention now, anyway.

[Fugitive]

Mod: my vote has been on DragonsofSummer since page 12 of the thread

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he said it didn't count because you didn't bold the word "vote," you only bolded the DoS part. Learn to read Para

[InflatablePie]

That diddin quote w/o the # was 255. Sorry.

Anyway, diddin is suspicious, but I'm not sure if he'd get a vote from me at this time. I'm leaning towards either TheLonging, or possibly pman after I go back, as they seem like better options. I would still like diddin to post a little more, at least addressing some of my points above.

[Bogre]

And as for someone role-blocking

you

, I actually didn't think of that. I'll admit I made a mistake there.

What I'm trying to say is that if you're lying about being a JoaT, it would be easier for you to fake a blocked investigation than to try to create a "real" fake one, if that makes sense.

Uh...so who did think of that?

You sound like a scum who's been writing with the foreknowledge of what could possibly happen, and is scared that he leaked the info.