Mafia 105 - Caught in the Crossfire (Game Over)

[Pads]

Vote Count, Day 6

hiphop ( 0 )
shotty to the body ( 1 ) Pads
fhqwhgads ( 0 )
Pads ( 0 )
popsofctown ( 0 )
SpyreX ( 0 )
No Lynch ( 0 )
Unvote ( 5 ) Shotty to the Body SpyreX popsofctown fhqwhgads hiphop
Total Votes ( 6 )

With 6 alive, 4 needed for a majority.
Deadline is January 7th, 11am EST

"Hey, guys, have you seen Pads' latest post? It proves that he's scum."

Awful jumpy there, aren't you? I didn't say anything about EK or Charter, nor was I making a point that had anything to do with them. I just wanted to know if anyone else noticed that your vote history is conspicuously uncolored in comparison with everyone else.

I'm not sure what you mean by a power scum hammer, unless you're alerting us to inside knowledge that only a single scum remains.

[Pads]

That wasn't terribly clear. Let me try again.

"I"m not sure what you meant there about there being no chance of a power scum hammer..."

[SpyreX]

OHHHH I see you're saying that its odd that the people I've called scum are still alive. Yea, thats real strange all things considered - or, really, its not. For more than a couple reasons that I don't feel like hearing the WIFOM dance about soo.

As for the other:

See, someone (or someones) throw down votes that don't make sense or are opportunistic - that's not game. In fact, a power hammer would have quite the chance to flip back on the person(s) who did it. So, one of the greatest scum end-game assets - a town that votes fast setting up the mislynch, just isn't available in this ruleset.

[hiphop]

Pads- Shotty voted for charter here in between the two infinis's votes.

I was having issues lately with spyrex not being on any scum wagon when I realized that as far as I am concerned he wasn't on any wagon because he didn't know who scum was. Therefore, I have come to realize that scum lie in two people shotty and pops. So it really doesn't matter which we lynch first as long as we lynch one of them.

Spyrex- why pads? I implore you to consider pops or shotty. I do not understand why fhq and you want pads lynched. I also believe you are wrong with the power scum-hammer theory. Sure they can't quick lynch once a townie votes another townie, but they can quick switch their votes at the end of the 24 hours or the end of the day, and there is nothing we can do about it. Think about today for instance, half the people vote no-lynch the other half vote for someone. If a scum is voting no lynch they can switch their vote a minute before time expires and bingo someone is lynched. Same thing can happenn in lylo. Think about voting shotty with me and pads. One thing is for sure, if we no lynch a townie will die tonight.

pops-please answer the rest of my question

At this moment, who would your vote be on if needed?

pads, town- lets do this

vote shotty

Shotty convince me I am wrong, but being it is a holiday today, I expect an eyesore tomorrow. I don't plan on getting TV today, but I also don't plan on voting the impossible.

[SpyreX]

I'm so tired of beating my head against this game.

Is there a 100% SUPER CONFIRMED TOWN? No.

THUS, nolynch makes absolutely more statistical sense. Of course at this point if you chuckleheads ARE right about shotty I'm getting lynched for the loss so huzzah.

As for Pads. I'm not going to make a full case but if you want some NEW reasons for it look at his case on pops. Just really look at it. Then, go ahead in the way back machine and look at day 1.

And the whole lyncher debacle. And this gem of gems:

Today, scum need two townies to misvote. Tomorrow they need but one. Let's not dick around. Scum are just going to kill SpyreX or fhq, who no one was trying to lynch anyway, and decrease the number of townies they need to vote incorrectly whilst not affecting our number of targets at all.

AND the fact that his shotty part of the case today was circumstantial to pops being scum and OPTED TO VOTE FOR SHOTTY INSTEAD.

And then the vote count business.

Vote: No Lynch

Notice how confident I am in Pads being scum. Notice also I'm voting No Lynch.

[popsofctown]

Yeah, proper play for the win.

Vote: No Lynch

To answer hiphop: I actually think Shotty is the scummiest player left in the game, but the fact both you and Pads would lynch me if/when he flips scum makes me feel kind of dead-ended. (We've come to that point that self preservation is actually more important to town than to scum. They can lose a man if they have 2, we can't).

I'd probably vote Shotty anyway if I wasn't voting the cough correct play for today cough No Lynch. I'd just have to hope you guys come to the right decision. Faith in humankind. That thing that's lost me several mafia games XD.

[Pads]

AND the fact that his shotty part of the case today was circumstantial to pops being scum

Completely backwards. As Pops pointed out, my case on him rests largely with Shotty being scum, not the other way around. Shotty is scum. He could potentially be scum with anyone here.

Pops, not as much. If he's scum, he's almost certain to be scum with you or Shotty.

Pops and Hiphop scum team? Unlikely. If you bus, you want townie points for it, and you get less townie points from a policy lynch (which pops was pushing on hiphop) of scum, then a 'zomg, I found a scum!' lynch.

Pops and Fhq scum team? Unlikely. He wouldn't have liked Hiphop's analysis of Roflcopter's investigations more than Sotty's/my analysis.

And to both of you: Do you guys honestly think that either of you is an auto vote first thing tomorrow if we end up with a dead scum Shotty tonight? Isn't it kinda weird that you BOTH are saying that?

[fhqwhgads]

I do not understand why fhq and you want pads lynched.

Saying 'that makes me want to lynch you more' and 'I want to lynch you' is not the same thing, thanks.

The shotty arguments aren't winning me from

Vote: No Lynch

atm.

[zoraster]

Vote Count, Day 6

hiphop ( 0 )
shotty to the body ( 2 ) Pads hiphop
fhqwhgads ( 0 )
Pads ( 0 )
popsofctown ( 0 )
SpyreX ( 0 )
No Lynch ( 3 ) SpyreX popsofctown fhqwhgads
Unvote ( 1 ) Shotty to the Body
Total Votes ( 6 )

With 6 alive, 4 needed for a majority.
Deadline is January 7th, 11am EST

[popsofctown]

fhq, who's scum? you should tell us what you think, this might be your last day.

[Shotty to the Body]

I don't really have time to post my full-case, I've barely been able to get on Mafia at all due to RL issues but I'll try and get a synopsis going here.

His consistent failure to build a case on anything but obv scum or town is glaring, read his suspicions lists throughout the game and look for a case built on any of the conf-scum, there aren't any. In ISO 13 he busses obvscum EK, he doesn't have anything to add to the wagon or says what he agrees with just goes along with the crowd. In ISO 14 "and I suspected Elvis for a good bit yesterday." really, where? She get's one mention near RVS in his ISO 5, also fearmongering of a scum plan by Hito and Spyre here. Misreps Hito in ISO 17 and willing to lynch IK. ISO 21 was where he started pushing the idea SpyreX was third party, not really sure what to make of that though. In ISO 27 he makes his escape from the policy lynch on Zak by bringing up the ridiculous idea we were in LYLO then, he's not an idiot and there's no way he thought we were truly in LYLO then, he's distancing from the mislynch. ISO 47 is a contradiction as he promised us a Sotty reread earlier in his ISO and never did.

Vote No Lynch

is the right play and pushing anything else is moronic, just reinforces that Pad's is scum trying to win the game today before we get to narrow down our voting pool.

I'll check back in tomorrow, if you had questions for me just throw me a link if you can, I apologize.

[zoraster]

Vote Count, Day 6

hiphop ( 0 )
shotty to the body ( 2 ) Pads hiphop
fhqwhgads ( 0 )
Pads ( 0 )
popsofctown ( 0 )
SpyreX ( 0 )

No Lynch ( 4 ) SpyreX popsofctown fhqwhgads Shotty to the Body

Unvote ( 0 )
Total Votes ( 6 )

With 6 alive, 4 needed for a majority.
Majority is reached. You have until tomorrow (Monday) at 2pm EST to change votes.

A majority has been reached! Day will end at 2pm EST tomorrow (Monday) unless a new majority is reached.

[fhqwhgads]

fhq, who's scum? you should tell us what you think, this might be your last day.

IMO, Pads. What with his "Hey, we're screwed anyway, so let's just get rid of the irritating people, lulz" and then his quick "kill shotty scumz" turnaround.

[Pads]

Instead of needing two misvotes, they now need just one, and they've clearly created an environment in which they're going to get it.

Policy fails us. Again.

[SpyreX]

And again if Shotty wasn't scum that is game. I'm really not sure whats so hard about this.

[popsofctown]

The whole "needing two misvotes" thing is just a way of twisting the situation around so it looks different. The town has to find scum and lynch it tomorrow.

[popsofctown]

And it's easier if there's only 5. I should finish my thoughts.

[Pads]

No chance it could just be 'looking at it in a different way', eh? It has to be 'twisting'?

[popsofctown]

I'm not gonna disagree with you and validate your viewpoint at the same time pads. Geeeeeeez

[Pads]

Pops' way or the highway, then.

That certainly is, shall we say, a bold choice for a forum game with hundreds of different players.

[SpyreX]

On an unrelated note: We're all retarded and some of it isn't accidental.

The starting game flavor clearly says there is only one mafia faction. My lord.

[Pads]

Yeah, it says that the two mafia joined forces to become one, but I'm sure we all grew up with cartoons where when the evil guys all allied to make a super evil group, they all end up betraying each other. Probably not in a Normal game, though.

[popsofctown]

Sorry Pads, am i being mean

[Pads]

You implied that you find all viewpoints with which you don't agree to be invalid. "Mean' is not the adjective that came to mind.

[zoraster]

It is night. All night actions are due by 2pm EST on Wednesday, January 6th.