Mafia 108 - Mafia With The Quickness - over!

[SaintKerrigan]

To everyone still voting Netopalis: Why aren't you buying the claim? What exactly has Netopalis done that warranted the claim in the first place?

To everyone who unvoted Netopalis: Why did you unvote as soon as you got the claim?

Kmd: Not that I don't appreciate the town read, but how exactly have my opinions been clear and well-explained?

[Zachrulez]

To everyone still voting Netopalis: Why aren't you buying the claim? What exactly has Netopalis done that warranted the claim in the first place?

Pretty sure I made this clear the first time I answered it.

[Haylen]

Unvote

Time to unvote when you reread and can't remember why you're voting them in the first place.

[SaintKerrigan]

To everyone still voting Netopalis: Why aren't you buying the claim? What exactly has Netopalis done that warranted the claim in the first place?

Pretty sure I made this clear the first time I answered it.

I got yours. I just didn't feel like individually singling out people and asking the same questions.

And Haylen, huh??? Your PBPA was pretty strong regarding why you were voting Netopalis. How could you just now reread the thread and not figure out why you were voting him?

Unvote: Zachrulez. Vote: Haylen.

[Haylen]

Wait it is?

*shrugs*

Vote Netopolis

[SaintKerrigan]

[Incognito]

Vote Count #14 of Day 1

*Netopalis (3) <-~ Zachrulez, Ellibereth, Haylen
Zachrulez (2) <-~ Bogre, Kmd4390
Ellibereth (2) <-~ Netopalis, camn
Maemuki (1) <-~ Netlava
Netlava (1) <-~ Maemuki
Haylen (1) <-~ SaintKerrigan

Not voting (3) <-~ Gayle, Annachie, Glork

With 13 alive, 7 votes will do it.

Note:

an asterisk by a player's name indicates said player would be lynched if Day were to end right this moment without a lynch majority.

Saturday, January 9th at 2 P.M. EST

[Haylen]

Netopolis

Post 1. Votes for Maemuki, but doesn't explain why we shouldn't bother bandwagoning her. I have already posted why I am suspicious of this earlier in the game and my opinion on it hasn't changed. Hence why I am still voting for him.

Post 2. Digs himself into an even deeper whole by saying that he doesn't like random voting. This is hypocritical since he voted Maemuki in his first post without reasoning, in the random voting stage and adds to the reason as to why I think he is scummy.

His 5th post gives me bad vibes, the agressiveness I get from it is not in proportion to the post he is responding to, and it also doesn't really make much sense as a response. I think Neto is beginning to crack under pressure here.

Post 8: Disagrees with Glork that we should lynch Bogre. I don't like this post because he doesn't explain why we shouldn't lynch Bogre, he doesn't give his opinions on him or explain why he thinks that he may be town. That're presuming that he does think he is town of course, he didn't exactly say in his post. On the other hand, he could just not want Bogre lynched because he's his scumbuddy.

Post 15. I don't like him attacking over the 'I know I'm town, thus you should believe me'. I have noticed that some newbies, when they first start playing the game suffer from a little bit of egocentricism where they think everybody in the game knows what they do. They get over it eventually, But I don't care who it is you're attacking over it because there are valid psychological reasons. It has nothing to do with the player being scum, I actually see it more of a town tell.

Post 16. Says that his vote on Maemuki was something to do with theory, but then does not elaborate on what the theory was. Plus, how could you have a theory that soon in the game.

Post 31. He votes Elli for...bad playstyle? Policy lynching will not get you very far in a quick game or any game actually. It's a poor reason to vote for anybody. Stop being so newbist. He then confirms in post 35 that he is voting for Elli based only on his playstyle. He says that Elli is being outright scummy, but then says that he appears to do that whether town or scum. So his vote is baseless.

Post 39: It is scummy to get people to meta you and point them in the direction of specific games, because it shows you are aware of your meta and that there is a strong possibility that you are playing up to it.

Post 42: I would first like to say that camn is female. Secondly, I disagree with your point of Elli, I don't think he came into the game with the intention of attacking you specifically. He may have came into the game and saw everyone else was attacking you and joined in though. For example, Mae knows where my flaws are in my play due to previous games but you don't see her attacking me for it. Using the same theory as you are with Elli, wouldn't that make Maemuki town?

Post 45:
Quote:
Given a field of players that would be equally good lynch targets, it is logical to lynch the one that will hurt us the least if the lynch is wrong.


I don't like this, it is like he want's us to lynch a townie today. I think it is better play to lynch scum, rather than the player that will hurt us least if lynched.

This is why I think Neto is scum

That's the reason for the vote above. I only got to page 10 during my reread...

[SaintKerrigan]

Wait a minute. Your PBPA was

based

on the posts you said you reread. If your reread couldn't find anything scummy now, why does quoting the PBPA that was based off that same information change anything?

[Haylen]

Lol, I hope you realise that when I said I 're read' the thread, what I mean was I skimmed it whilst distracted by music and my own singing at the same time, whilst in the middle of doing coursework?

[SaintKerrigan]

Unvote: Haylen.

Point made. I do disagree with your case against Neto, however.

I prefer a

Vote: Zachrulez.

He's largely been avoiding the Neto controversy, except to say he doesn't like him (in a generalish sort of way) and to claim scum love hider types of claims, neither of which I feel are lynch-worthy.

[Zachrulez]

Unvote: Haylen.

Point made. I do disagree with your case against Neto, however.

I prefer a

Vote: Zachrulez.

He's largely been avoiding the Neto controversy, except to say he doesn't like him (in a generalish sort of way) and to claim scum love hider types of claims, neither of which I feel are lynch-worthy.

I don't see how I've been avoiding it....

[Zachrulez]

Do you have a particular reason to believe the claim? Other than the fact that he claimed?

[SaintKerrigan]

Unvote: Haylen.

Point made. I do disagree with your case against Neto, however.

I prefer a

Vote: Zachrulez.

He's largely been avoiding the Neto controversy, except to say he doesn't like him (in a generalish sort of way) and to claim scum love hider types of claims, neither of which I feel are lynch-worthy.

I don't see how I've been avoiding it....

Your vote was for Neto avoiding bandwagons. You haven't commented on him all that much after that, other than to say you disagree with Neto's voting-with-reason stance and that you didn't believe the claim.

You apparently want this guy lynched

, but for the life of me I can't figure out why based on what you've posted. Hence, avoiding the controversy.

[SaintKerrigan]

Do you have a particular reason to believe the claim? Other than the fact that he claimed?

The claim doesn't make me think he's scummier, if that's what you mean. I've maintained that I think Neto is town, and that the arguments against him have been crap. The claim doesn't do anything to make me think otherwise.

[Zachrulez]

Do you have a particular reason to believe the claim? Other than the fact that he claimed?

The claim doesn't make me think he's scummier, if that's what you mean. I've maintained that I think Neto is town, and that the arguments against him have been crap. The claim doesn't do anything to make me think otherwise.

Even in light of the many games I have played in where I have seen half a dozen hider claims from someone who was scum, and EXACTLY ZERO from pro-town players?

That could have nothing to do with the fact that I want him lynched... nope, not at all.

[SaintKerrigan]

Do you have a particular reason to believe the claim? Other than the fact that he claimed?

The claim doesn't make me think he's scummier, if that's what you mean. I've maintained that I think Neto is town, and that the arguments against him have been crap. The claim doesn't do anything to make me think otherwise.

Even in light of the many games I have played in where I have seen half a dozen hider claims from someone who was scum, and EXACTLY ZERO from pro-town players?

That could have nothing to do with the fact that I want him lynched... nope, not at all.

Links or it didn't happen.

And even at that, it could just as easily be you using that as an excuse to vote someone you know is town...

[Zachrulez]

Or the fact that he doesn't really seem to be scum hunting at all...

He's spent a lot of time defending himself... not to my satisfaction btw. Scumhunting posts have sorely been lacking.

Let's not forget that ridiculous vote on Ellibereth either.

[SaintKerrigan]

Yah, but you made no mention of those things earlier.

[Zachrulez]

Do you have a particular reason to believe the claim? Other than the fact that he claimed?

The claim doesn't make me think he's scummier, if that's what you mean. I've maintained that I think Neto is town, and that the arguments against him have been crap. The claim doesn't do anything to make me think otherwise.

Even in light of the many games I have played in where I have seen half a dozen hider claims from someone who was scum, and EXACTLY ZERO from pro-town players?

That could have nothing to do with the fact that I want him lynched... nope, not at all.

Links or it didn't happen.

And even at that, it could just as easily be you using that as an excuse to vote someone you know is town...

Hahaha...

The odds that he'll flip town are ridiculously low. So I don't need any excuses. I can own up to being wrong if it happens, but I doubt I will be.

[Zachrulez]

Yah, but you made no mention of those things earlier.

Figured it wasn't necissary/that it was obvious.

Apparently I figured wrong.

[SaintKerrigan]

The odds that he'll flip town are ridiculously low. So I don't need any excuses. I can own up to being wrong if it happens, but I doubt I will be.

Can I say I told you so if I turn out to be right?

[Zachrulez]

The odds that he'll flip town are ridiculously low. So I don't need any excuses. I can own up to being wrong if it happens, but I doubt I will be.

Can I say I told you so if I turn out to be right?

Sure.

Every fiber of my being tells me it's the right lynch, and I don't understand how everyone else can't see it.

[Ellibereth]

Zach sees it.
Neto needs to die.

[Kmd4390]

To everyone who unvoted Netopalis: Why did you unvote as soon as you got the claim?

Kmd: Not that I don't appreciate the town read, but how exactly have my opinions been clear and well-explained?

Because I believe the claim.

It's the feeling I get from your posts. Like you really believe what you are saying.

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Haylen hasn't seen the claim yet I assume.