mini 883-Krazy Mafia Disaster- Game Over. Who won?

[Porochaz]

Ok no double lynch unless mod is one of the lynches.
UK should retain her investigation
If you dont lynch me, I will not kill.
Out of the claims and common sense, Haylen is the best vote.
Lastly Im not doing the table as this is essentially what would be said.

[UncertainKitten]

@UK
If Julien is town, and telling the truth, its 3 to lynch. With 2 scum, someone could vote and Julien can hammer. Unless I'm mistaken, you did say double voters second vote do not count towards the lynching total. This will confirm his role, and give the town an extra day to unravel the mystery.

Um...but even so...we'd need to get two votes on two players, right? And finally we'd need JVW to split his vote. We still need 6 votes in play to lynch two people with 3 to lynch.

Meaning we need EVERYONE to vote, including me. I don't see where you got your numbers?

As for doublevoters not counting, that's how I handled them once. kmd could be handling it differently.

[DTMaster]

I mean for a single lynch, if Julien and you are both town, he can double vote on a single person and you could try and get another investigate.

[Haylen]

Haylen's Analysis

UncertainKitten/ForbiddenLight

Post One - Informs us from the start that she cannot vote. This is good because it gave us information to go on and was believable when she claimed. Witholding information from the town is a scumtell, and she did the opposite and was truthful. Thus town points.

But then in her second post says 'i hope I dont get killed for it' This infers that she is not working with the town because she seems more worried about her own win here than the towns, if that makes sense. Maybe a third party tell? Anyway, scum points.

Post 4, she says that she would vote for Pom, but doesnt elaborate on why. Can you explain the 'I might vote for Pom just to place my vote. Seeing as she doesnt'?

Post 6, she seems to get a little bit stressed in when someone says they have their eye on here. Why the effort to stay out of suspicion, UK? Only scum have their reasons not to want to be in the limelight.

Post 9, she points out that in another game she claimed something ridiculous and they town believed her because it was too crazy a claim to fake. If you really cant vote UK, then place a vote on someone to prove it in the next votecount. I want proof that you arent just making another gambit.

She then goes on to say 'Someone do something scummy so I can attack them with the force of a great typhoon' This rubs me up the wrong way because it's like she's again trying to get everyone off her back and onto another player.

Trying to get players to post is protown.

Gives fair reasons for voting people, such as her attack on CSL.

I notice a definate change in tone by in her posts 19 and 20: why is my lack of a vote on someone 'useful' not good, yet you only wish you knew why Prozac wasnt voting? This could suggest a scumbuddy-ship between her and Prozac...til I remember that he's a Vig...

Her Iso's on CSL and Orto were fine, btw, no strawmanning or anything.

Post 62, says that she dislikes my cop claim but doesnt explain why she doesn't like it. How is a person meant to defend themselves against attacks over their claim when it isnt explained why it is disliked?

Keeps saying that she would like me to lynch and again does not explain why.

I don't like hows she's eager to lynch people to end the game, even if she thinks the people being lynched are town. Wanting to lynch townies is very very antitown.

Julienvonwolf

Doesnt really post much content in the beginning, the majority of it is Information instead of Analysis, which isn't very helpful to the town.

I'm not sure whether it's because he hasn't posted much content, or if it's because I'm tired, but I really dont have a very good read on him at the moment.

I could easily see him as being a Mafia Double Voter though due to the early lurking, the IIofA earlier in the game and the lack of content, seeing as this is a bastard mod.

DTM

@Haylen
Actually, this is premature, but shouldn't it be: LYNCH ALL ANTI TOWN FACTIONS? To take into account SKs and such.

How do you know there's an SK in the game, at the beginning of the game? Is it because you are one? A Day SK...wouldnt put it past a basard mod to put a day SK in a game actually.

But then, I have liked the rest of his posts. He has scumhunted and asked the right questions of people all through the game, and is generally playing very closely to his town meta.

I dont want to analyse Prozac right now because him wanting me out of the game upset me

I get the feeling I need to do a more indepth read into DTM, and will do so tomorrow, when it isn't 1.13am.

[UncertainKitten]

Umu...what?

Keeps saying that she would like me to lynch and again does not explain why.

I don't like hows she's eager to lynch people to end the game, even if she thinks the people being lynched are town. Wanting to lynch townies is very very antitown.

I...don't understand where I ever said I wanted to lynch townies?

Further, most of your points against me are pretty null in light of my fullclaim.

And, excuse me for worrying about DYING as a COP.

Her "analysis" feels very halfhearted, to be honest. I think I'm more comfortable with her lynch at this point.

Oh, hey, this was rich too:

Post 9, she points out that in another game she claimed something ridiculous and they town believed her because it was too crazy a claim to fake. If you really cant vote UK, then place a vote on someone to prove it in the next votecount. I want proof that you arent just making another gambit.

First, why the hell didn't you ask this in the first place? Secondly, the reason I brought that up is obviously because poptaj and RBT were looking at me FOR THAT VERY REASON. lrn2context ^-^.

As for why I don't like your cop claim. It's the least verifiable claim of all of us. Granted, I'm second least verifiable, but I've kinda been forced to breadcrumb. DT has pretty much confirmed himself at the very least as a dayvig. Possibly a SCUM dayvig, but honestly, given his posting I'd have to believe he deserves to win if he's scum. JVW can verify his role just by double voting whenever he needs to. And finally, Poro would explain one of the deaths last night, but the lack of redirector is disturbing. He's probably my second pick for scum.

[julienvonwolfe]

Ew, not the whole debate about IIoA again.

[Porochaz]

Jesus Haylen, grow a pair. The only reason I "want you out" of the game is because your the best option and I think that you are the most likely to be scum. Getting upset about it is ridiculous, Im not attacking you personally.

[DTMaster]

@Haylen
1. Pre-N1. I agree it's too early to assume SKs considering we had no flips. But I like to be cautious. Plus since you were random voting Mafia, etc, I just sugessted something in jest to lynch "all anti-town factions".

That and I've been playing too many IRC mafia with too many SKs running about.

Post N1, its pretty obvious we have an SK running around with the blood bath that was yesterday.

[julienvonwolfe]

Okay, either we lynch Haylen and/or KMD, or I'm replacing out. This game's too slow.

[julienvonwolfe]

srsly guys.

[UncertainKitten]

I dunno what to dooooooooo~!

Should we just go into the lynch? Doesn't seem like much else is happening :S.

[Porochaz]

vote Haylen

[UncertainKitten]

/me sighs...

Alright then

Vote Haylen

[Porochaz]

unvote

are we lynching the mod as well?

[UncertainKitten]

are we lynching the mod as well?

...DAMMIT!

We should, yes. Since I just BLEW my investigation like a damned MORON!

Might as well make USE of my vote now that I've wasted it.

[Porochaz]

vote kmd

[DTMaster]

1, haylen needs to vote for kmd for this to work if we are double hammering.
2. ITT odd slip by UK. How can you possibly predict 4 deaths in 1 night
3.

Vote Haylen

[UncertainKitten]

2. ITT odd slip by UK. How can you possibly predict 4 deaths in 1 night

huh?

1, haylen needs to vote for kmd for this to work if we are double hammering.

...yeah, I just realized how stupid that was.

[DTMaster]

Since I just BLEW my investigation like a damned MORON!

<<<- This.

You hit scum. You had no way to know that he blew himself up. <<<-- if he didn't hit the bomb you caught scum. That's not a waste to me. :<. Calling it so, seems odd on so many levels because of this. It just bugs me.

[UncertainKitten]

Since I just BLEW my investigation like a damned MORON! <<<- This.

What the hell? Have you been reading ANYTHING I've said?

My claim was

VOTELESS COP!

However, I was

ABLE TO VOTE

, it's just

I COULD NOT INVESTIGATE

if I

VOTED!

Where, in the NINE HELLS did you get the idea I said ANYTHING else?

I'm sorry, but would you PLEASE drop the idiot ball and READ THE GAME?

[UncertainKitten]

At Mod

: Could you fix my tags? And preferably make the text even bigger? I'm still unsure if it'll actually be noticed without flashing lights.

Done. Let me know if that wasn't what you wanted.

[DTMaster]

Never mind. I thought you referred to last night, not when you voted Haylen. /has been dropped.

[UncertainKitten]

Never mind. I thought you referred to last night, not when you voted Haylen. /has been dropped.

Still confusing, since I targetted RBT and she was town, wasn't she?

[Haylen]

BTW. if you try to lynch me, I'm not voting KMD.

Why? Because I'm not just gonna sit back and watch scum win.

[Haylen]

Out of the claims and common sense, Haylen is the best vote.

Why am I the best vote? and why dont people like my claim?