Open 193 - Friends and Enemies: It's over!

[VP Baltar]

Votecount as of this post:

Vi(2): Ojanen, Scien
SerialClergyman(1): PorkchopExpress
Sando(2): Debonair Danny DiPietro, Vi
Scien(3): Amished, VP Baltar, charlatan
PorkchopExpress(1): Sando
Ojanen(1): Zorblag
VP Baltar(2): SerialClergyman, Albert B. Rampage

With 12 alive it's 7 to lynch.

VP Baltar, what do you think of what I'm saying about Mr. Sandoman?

I'm a little nyeh on it...but we were also burnt by Sando in Quick and Dirty, so that's definitely influencing my hesitance.

So in asking for how I'm lurking, you decide to post a rundown of my posts... That was clever of you, well done, quite useful, I'm sure.

She's saying your posts are devoid of content, which is fairly true.

[Vi]

So in asking for how I'm lurking, you decide to post a rundown of my posts... That was clever of you, well done, quite useful, I'm sure.

She's saying your posts are devoid of content, which is fairly true.

This.

active

lurking

[Sando]

Right, so in questioning something which you yourself, VPB, have said is odd to have not recieved an adequate response from Porkchop, I'm not being constructive? The fact that I'm engaging Vi (and ABR for that matter) in fairly pointless discussion while waiting for Porkchop to respond is merely an outcome of me being bored.

I still stand by my statement that accusing someone of active lurking after 5 pages is utterly ludicrous. You can say that my posts lack content... no shit, we're only 7 pages into the game now, and when I was voted for (and I quote) "active lurking" we were 5 pages in. No-ones posts has a large amount of content.

As I said, Vi's accusation of 'active lurking' is a meaningless accusation at this stage that seems specifically designed to appeal to a townie mentality.

But I'm happy arguing with you two until Porkchop eventually answers the question I've posed him, he's already tried to dodge it once.



BTW VPB, you weren't burnt in Quick and Dirty, you watched a mis-lynch with all 3 scum on it and the NK target telling you it was a stupid lynch (and who was pushing scum) pass you by, oh and the only other wagon of the day was on scum.

[Vi]

when I was voted for (and I quote) "active lurking" we were 5 pages in. No-ones posts has a large amount of content.

Really.

[Sando]

Well I'm pretty sure you voted me on Page 5, didn't actually check that though. And you've confirmed that you voted me for active lurking, although I didn't actually quote tag that... my bad. And yeah, there's been SFA content so far. So...

yes

Did the bolding/italics/underline make it more impressive? This was what I was going for. Maybe I should have capitalised the 'y', next time maybe...

Fake Edit: I checked, you DID vote me on page 5!!!one!!

I like that you make it so the quote from me pertains to 3 seperate statements then make a question directed at (presumably) 1 of those statments, that was useful.

Goodnight!

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

@Debonair Danny DiPietro, why ask about my lack of inclucsion in PorkhchopExpress's question rather than, say, Ojanen's?

Well to me it looked like PE was focusing on those who hadn't posted as much. You have such a distinctive presence that I notice when you aren't around so much, Oj on the other hand and other people you could substitute into her place have much less of a defined presence.

[charlatan]

No, I commented on the Vi/Scien thing, I just didn't think it warrented a vote. You didn't notice the whole 'condescending' thing between me and Vi?

I noticed it, but it probably didn't stick out in my mind so much because it was rather insubstantial compared to the Porkchop stuff.

And a 'mostly untouched player' would basically be anyone other than Vi/Scien/ABR/VPB, so that seems like a pretty broad catagory.

The broadness of any category has nothing to do with the point. If you had replaced Porkchop with any other similar player whose RVS vote you did not like, I still would have found it off.

It wasn't that. My ass can be the center point of multi-page discussion for all I care. I was more focusing on why he would transition from an RVS vote on me to legitimately accusing me of being scum after I said he was such. Could be a mountain out of a molehill, but it's early game.

Ah, yes, I do agree with that. Actually, it's even a stretch to call it "legitimately" accusing you of being scum, since there has never been any indication from Ramp as to

why

you're scum aside from the fact that you like drugs, and I think we all know that drugs appeal to those from all walks of life regardless of criminal persuasion. I wouldn't think twice about it if he hadn't called for others to pile on votes. Come to think of it:

Unvote

Vote: Albert B. Rampage

Ramp: Please argue with me about this.

Also, where did Amished go? I thought we were going to talk about food and then he disappeared.

[VP Baltar]

Mod- if it's not too much trouble, could you put vote counts in their own posts. It is ok if they aren't at the top of each page.

[VP Baltar]

so in questioning something which you yourself, VPB, have said is odd to have not recieved an adequate response from Porkchop, I'm not being constructive?

Huh? I don't recall saying anything of that nature...but my memory can be spotty. Quote if I did.

BTW VPB, you weren't burnt in Quick and Dirty, you watched a mis-lynch with all 3 scum on it and the NK target telling you it was a stupid lynch (and who was pushing scum) pass you by, oh and the only other wagon of the day was on scum.

Well, I was pushing for the scum lynched on Amished by the end of the day, but you certainly weren't doing the town any favors by taking such an unhelpful and indignant attitude toward your lynch. I would hope you learned from that experience.

@DDD-trend analysis this game?

Liking the ABR pressure and I'm coming over.

Unvote, Vote: ABR

[Amished]

I don't wanna talk about food.

I did get a weird vibe from the SC/ABR "wagon" on VP. I'm pretty sure one of them has to be scum; though I'm feeling SC more than ABR. I think it's the tone of the vote post by SC; but it could be something I'm "seeing" but not seeing (if you know what I mean).

[SerialClergyman]

Why did you feel I'm not interested in scumhunting, Vi?

Sando, don't make me argue to save you all day again.

[SerialClergyman]

Also:

I did get a weird vibe from the SC/ABR "wagon" on VP.

I'm pretty sure one of them has to be scum;

though I'm feeling SC more than ABR.

Wow. That's some balls on the line mafia.

[Vi]

Why did you feel I'm not interested in scumhunting, Vi?

Everything you posted up to that point seemed like (somewhat half-serious) jokewagoning. If I'm wrong, please correct me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's very simple. VPB attacked me based on nothing, so I give him a taste of his own medicine. My personal policy is that any bandwagon is a good one. The first bandwagon can be based on nothing more than a directionless

[Albert B. Rampage]

hunch.

[Vi]

My personal policy is that any bandwagon is a good one.

Is

every

bandwagon a good one?

[SerialClergyman]

No, I'm serious about Baltar. I like a jovial atmosphere early D1 because I find if I get bogged down in irritable or prickly discussion it only serves to amplify confirmation bias. But out of everyone, I think VP's the scummiest so far.

I think that's why I find Amished's comment so bizarre, saying on page 7 that you believe one out of two people on VP's wagon has to be scum strikes me as stronge.

(I don't know why I typed that word but it seems to be a mixture of 'strange' and 'strong' which actually echoes my feeling about it, so I'm going to leave it there. It was very stronge of you, Amished.)

[Albert B. Rampage]

O.K. someone is over and I have more than my hands can handle atm, but basically what I mean is this: VPB attacks me with nothing (scien and abr are scum!) and I just return the same favor, so I don't see what the deal is here.

[Albert B. Rampage]

My personal policy is that any bandwagon is a good one.

Is

every

bandwagon a good one?

What a weird question. I said any. It's a good starting point.

Let's see who people think is town or scum, and then we form relationships between players, and then we push the bandwagons closer, maybe see a claim, and then we go through with it or not.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Here we go: http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... ame_Moving

By yours truly.

[Vi]

No, I'm serious about Baltar. I like a jovial atmosphere early D1 because I find if I get bogged down in irritable or prickly discussion it only serves to amplify confirmation bias. But out of everyone, I think VP's the scummiest so far.

Could I ask why? VP Baltar seems like the only sane person here.

Tying in somewhat with Amished's strongeness, what do you think of ABR so far?

@ABR: That... sounds like basic Mafia play. I'm not against it, but randomly voting VP Baltar doesn't serve that purpose very well at all.

[VP Baltar]

How serious did you take my attack on you at first ABR?

But out of everyone, I think VP's the scummiest so far.

Why's that? I've yet to see an actual reason from you.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

@DDD-trend analysis this game?

If you really want one, I'll run it, but considering last game it found all of one cultist and then a townie who would later become a cultist, I'm no longer really enamored with it. Doesn't seem to hit any more often than random chance.

[VP Baltar]

No problem, what's your new plan of action then?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

No problem, what's your new plan of action then?

I like to think I've gotten better at scumhunting and since that development coincided with the trend analysis I conflated the two so it'll pretty much be business as usual since then minus the trend analysis.