Mafia 108 - Mafia With The Quickness - over!

[Zachrulez]

He could have simply voted for Netopolis. Engineering a bandwagon with that little time is far from easy to do.

Obviously not that difficult, as it happened in what, 54 minutes?

And who does that say more for? Me and Yos, or the voters who made that possible?

[Zachrulez]

If you can't make the logic work, argue the result I guess.

[Bogre]

The problem with analyzing motivations of people on a mislynch is that its so full of WIFOM as to the individual motivations of the people on it. See St.Kerrigan's post and the nebulousness of figuring out who is the responsible one for it. Indeed, the one who started the wagon probably is the most culpable, but it just as easily could have been opportunistic 2nd or 3rd, etc.

So...more for you than them. Any of those voters could have been serving the motivation to lynch someone else instead of you, but as I said its much harder to attribute a specific motivation to a specific wagoner. I believe at least one of them -had- that motivation, and so the end result is you are scum, and a good lynch, rather than trying to wade through the WIFOM wagoner by wagoner.

[Zachrulez]

But of course your attributing who went where to the conclusion that I am scum, which is also WIFOM.

Why lynch me when you can save me for later and get a really bad quick lynch after all?

[Zachrulez]

And why does the logic NOT apply to Netopolis?

[Bogre]

And why does the logic NOT apply to Netopolis?

I never said it doesn't.

[Zachrulez]

And why does the logic NOT apply to Netopolis?

I never said it doesn't.

Yet you vote for me, and show no interest in him.

[Zachrulez]

The fact that most of the votes moved from me and most of the votes on Neto stayed put indicates pretty clearly that it's far more likely that the scum were on my wagon.

Why does it only seem obvious to me?

Ugh.

[Incognito]

Vote Count #2 of Day 2

*Netopalis (4) <-~ Glork, Ellibereth, Zachrulez, Haylen
Bogre (1) <-~ SaintKerrigan
Haylen (1) <-~ Gayle
Yosarian2 (1) <-~ Kmd4390
Zachrulez (1) <-~ Bogre

Not voting (3) <-~ Yosarian2, Netopalis, Maemuki

With 11 alive, 6 votes will do it.

Note:

an asterisk by a player's name indicates said player would be lynched if Day were to end right this moment without a lynch majority.

Friday, January 15th at 2 P.M. EST

[Bogre]

The fact that most of the votes moved from me and most of the votes on Neto stayed put indicates pretty clearly that it's far more likely that the scum were on my wagon.

Hrmm, yet it seems like Netopalis has a large bandwagon already- one you're fully on.

So it seems that it might have worked, the alternate wagon, huh?

[Zachrulez]

The fact that most of the votes moved from me and most of the votes on Neto stayed put indicates pretty clearly that it's far more likely that the scum were on my wagon.

Hrmm, yet it seems like Netopalis has a large bandwagon already- one you're fully on.

So it seems that it might have worked, the alternate wagon, huh?

Not sure what you're talking about here, because I had nothing to do with it.

[Glork]

Bogre, Haylen looked town early Day 1. I'm no longer convinced. Gayle made that program to help him find scum. He's town. Zach was in serious danger of being lynched before Yos's idea to start a new wagon. So he's scum with Yos.

Your Gayle reason is a little dumb. The program is designed to help keep notes in ANY game. It is not specific to this game.

KMD: Regarding Zach/Yos, see my response to Bogre below.

The problem with analyzing motivations of people on a mislynch is that its so full of WIFOM as to the individual motivations of the people on it. See St.Kerrigan's post and the nebulousness of figuring out who is the responsible one for it. Indeed, the one who started the wagon probably is the most culpable, but it just as easily could have been opportunistic 2nd or 3rd, etc.

So...more for you than them. Any of those voters could have been serving the motivation to lynch someone else instead of you, but as I said its much harder to attribute a specific motivation to a specific wagoner. I believe at least one of them -had- that motivation, and so the end result is you are scum, and a good lynch, rather than trying to wade through the WIFOM wagoner by wagoner.

Did you bother to read my first post of the day? The way to find scum on the wagon is to figure out who would have scum-motivation to start or finish off a Netlava wagon.

Considering

NETO WAS SLATED TO BE LYNCHED, NOT ZACH

, your "Yos/Zach" pairing is completely backwards. If Yos wanted to "save Zach" all he had to do was NOT VOTE ZACH. Heck, he could have just voted Neto and that would have ensured that Neto would have been lynched. So the only way your Yos/Zach pairing works is if Neto is scum with BOTH of them, and he had to find a completely separate wagon to save them both.


Nobody started or pushed the Lavawagon to save Zach. It would have been to save Neto.

[Ellibereth]

Yeah. Neto's scum in all the scenarios. He needs to die.

[Glork]

Question for Neto: Did you commute last night?


Tell the truth, now. Big Brother is watching.

[Kmd4390]

That is lame.

So is your logic that I am scum with Yos.

He could have simply voted for Netopolis. Engineering a bandwagon with that little time is far from easy to do.

Meh, if the three of you were scum, bussing one of you may have been a better play.

Re Gayle: He -said- he made a program to find scum, have we actually seen it ?

I believe him.

Re Zach: Okay...do you feel that your view is supported by Yos's post-lynch actions? I agree that starting an alternate bandwagon is scummy, but I believe that Zach would still be a better candidate, because in either scenario Zach is still scum (and as St.Kerrigan suggests Yos as leader of the wagon is still in question):

Hmm. You make sense here, but you trying to shift my attention makes me uneasy.

Considering

NETO WAS SLATED TO BE LYNCHED, NOT ZACH

, your "Yos/Zach" pairing is completely backwards. If Yos wanted to "save Zach" all he had to do was NOT VOTE ZACH. Heck, he could have just voted Neto and that would have ensured that Neto would have been lynched. So the only way your Yos/Zach pairing works is if Neto is scum with BOTH of them, and he had to find a completely separate wagon to save them both.

Nobody started or pushed the Lavawagon to save Zach. It would have been to save Neto.

This is true. Hmm..

Question for Neto: Did you commute last night?

Tell the truth, now. Big Brother is watching.

Why do we want to know this?

[Glork]

Question for Neto: Did you commute last night?

Tell the truth, now. Big Brother is watching.

Why do we want to know this?

We

might not. But I have my reasons, not least of which is mere curiosity.

[Kmd4390]

Question for Neto: Did you commute last night?

Tell the truth, now. Big Brother is watching.

Why do we want to know this?

We

might not. But I have my reasons, not least of which is mere curiosity.

Wait. I was about to post a whole "no, scum want to know more than town, I don't get why curiosity goes above that" post, but I think I actually want to know. I guess you could say I'm curious too.

[Yosarian2]

I don't like Zach's subtle attack on arguably the most pro-town player in this game (Maemuki). .

How is Mae the "most pro-town player in the game", exactally?

[Yosarian2]

Ok, so the lynching wagon on Netlava was ridiculously scummy. His town flip means I'd be willing to bet on at least one scum on the lynch.

*Netlava (6) <-~ Maemuki, Netopalis, Yosarian2, Haylen, SaintKerrigan, Gayle

Mae is town. Neto is town. Haylen is town. Gayle is town. That leaves Yos and Saint. I'm still leaning town on Saint.

Vote Yos

Now to read Day 2.

Terrible logic, all around.

[Bogre]

[quote="Glork"

Considering

NETO WAS SLATED TO BE LYNCHED, NOT ZACH

, your "Yos/Zach" pairing is completely backwards. If Yos wanted to "save Zach" all he had to do was NOT VOTE ZACH. Heck, he could have just voted Neto and that would have ensured that Neto would have been lynched. So the only way your Yos/Zach pairing works is if Neto is scum with BOTH of them, and he had to find a completely separate wagon to save them both.


Nobody started or pushed the Lavawagon to save Zach. It would have been to save Neto.[/quote]

You're right, didn't realize this with all the Zach freaking out yesterday.

[Yosarian2]

So why is Neto town KMD?

His claim.

His claim? Really? I actually think Neto's claim is pretty much the only valid reason I've seen to suspect him.

[Yosarian2]

The fact that most of the votes moved from me and most of the votes on Neto stayed put indicates pretty clearly that it's far more likely that the scum were on my wagon.

How does that follow?

[Zachrulez]

The fact that most of the votes moved from me and most of the votes on Neto stayed put indicates pretty clearly that it's far more likely that the scum were on my wagon.

How does that follow?

My theory, based on their desire to lynch me, and then Netlava, and the lack of interest in lynching Neto.

[Yosarian2]

The fact that most of the votes moved from me and most of the votes on Neto stayed put indicates pretty clearly that it's far more likely that the scum were on my wagon.

How does that follow?

My theory, based on their desire to lynch me, and then Netlava, and the lack of interest in lynching Neto.

(shrug)

At the moment, I think there's a pretty high chance you're town; I'm thinking that either you and Neto are both town (in which case the scum would likely have just kept their head down and stayed quiet during the end of the day), or you are town and Neto is scum. If Neto is scum, then probably the people who come out looking the worst are Gayle and Mae (Gayle esepcally). If you're both town, then...I'm less sure.

[Haylen]

guys, dont worry if a random scummer (Spongey_Spork) posts randomly at some posts in the game. I've been banned from GD and have to use an alt to post in MishMash...and i've been known to forget which screen name in on...