Mini 904 - Narnia: LWW Mafia (Game Over)

[Narninian]

I don't see the claim of rumblebuffin to be a lynch worthy claim at this point. Vanilla townie is a bit of an 'easy' claim, and the name certainly is doubtful to have a counterclaim - but book just doesnt have a lot of better known' characters. There is Aslan, the 4 kids, tumnus, Father Christmas, Mr and Mrs Beaver, Professor Kirke. Personally, I wouldn't see any of those characters as 'vanilla' and if they were limited to those - a mass claim would make the game trivial. For vanilla characters tertiary characters seem most likely.


the main reason on her bandwagon was for voting for (me) based on starting a random bandwagon leading to lynch-3. I agree (of course), that the random bandwagon wasn't something to get too worried about, but I don't blame somebody for taking that a reason beyond random to vote. At this point we were still at the random voting stage. Her counter bandwagon attempt seemed nothing more than the better than random suspicion.


What I find interesting is a series of posts from bv310:

Immediately after the starbuck post for L-3, bv310 agreed with her and asked for reasoning from J.R (me).

J.R., why would you put kiku at L-3 this early? A quick-wagon is not the best way to start this day.

His next post talks about how he did find starbuck suspicious.

then he votes for her based on the vanilla claim. I just get a bad vibe he's following dybeck's lead unconditionally. The could mean he is scum trying to latch on a townie leading the charge (letting another do the 'scum-hunting' for him and gaining his trust), or he is in colloboration with dybeck (though this seems a bit too obvious so the feeling I get is its the former. )

[kikuchiyo]

Narn: How do you feel about Starbuck's contribution to scumhunting?

[Narninian]

She's been on the defensive a little too much and not focusing on scum hunting apart from going after accuser; However, given the state of votes it is important to defend.

You do make a good point, though; Starbuck - do you have anything to add, other than trying to defend yourself?

[wolframnhart]

@ manho
ok so again, why did you say we need to quickly lynch Starbuck and yet you are not voting her? You are still voting dybeck.

[Kdub]

Sibelius has been prodded.

Vote Count

Starbuck (5)

- dybeck, kikuchiyo, Riceballtail, Heilograph, bv310

Riceballtail (0)

-

bv310 (2)

- MadCrawdad, Papa Zito

MadCrawdad (0)

-

kikuchiyo (0)

-

Heilograph (0)

-

Papa Zito (1)

- Sibelius

wolframnhart (0)

-

Narninian (0)

-

manho (0)

-

dybeck (2)

- Starbuck, manho

Sibelius (0)

-

No Lynch (0)

-

Not Voting (2)

- Narninian, wolframnhart

12 votes available, 7 votes needed to lynch.

Deadline is January 26, ~ 12:30 am MST.

[dybeck]

the case on starbuck is bad, and dybeck is the scum behind it. but as kiku said, we need starbuck's flip to get more information, like starbuck flipping town makes dybeck more scum, but starbuck flipping scum makes dybeck more town.

Talk is cheap, Manho.

Either bus your scumbuddy or stop trying to improve your townie credentials by repeatedly saying things that you don't intend to follow up with a vote.

[Papa Zito]

This game is weird.

Not Voting (2) - Narninian, wolframnhart

vote plz

[Narninian]

Very Well

Vote: BV310

[Riceballtail]

the case on starbuck is bad, and dybeck is the scum behind it. but as kiku said, we need starbuck's flip to get more information, like starbuck flipping town makes dybeck more scum, but starbuck flipping scum makes dybeck more town.

Talk is cheap, Manho.

Either bus your scumbuddy or stop trying to improve your townie credentials by repeatedly saying things that you don't intend to follow up with a vote.

Glad you see things my way.

[manho]

the case on starbuck is bad, and dybeck is the scum behind it. but as kiku said, we need starbuck's flip to get more information, like starbuck flipping town makes dybeck more scum, but starbuck flipping scum makes dybeck more town.

Talk is cheap, Manho.

Either bus your scumbuddy or stop trying to improve your townie credentials by repeatedly saying things that you don't intend to follow up with a vote.

Glad you see things my way.

i think we still have time before the deadline and we can get more information from starbuck, like a case by her.

[wolframnhart]

This game is weird.

Not Voting (2) - Narninian, wolframnhart

vote plz

i'd like to wait to see a case by starbuck

[kikuchiyo]

We've been waiting for twelve pages. I can wait a couple more.

[dybeck]

Actually, Starbuck, I have a question for you.

Now, presumably, even you'll admit that your claim is not a strong one. I'm sure that you would have felt far more comfortable if you'd been able to tell us that you were Aslan or Lucy, for example.

With this in mind, may I ask you to please consider this post from wolframnhart?

I believe Starbucks' claim. Again I am not going to try and out guess the mod on which characters he put in the game, but her role makes sense to me.

He appears to genuinely accept your claim wholly, even though you're able to offer us a character that has little more than a cameo role in the book.

Now we know you're claiming to be pro-town. I've made it very clear that I don't believe you. But that aside for a sec.

Purely for argument's sake, let's say that you're telling the truth. Do you take his post at face value, and that he genuinely believes your (presumably vanilla) claim without question? Or do you think he's scum trying to bolster his pro-town credentials if you get lynched today and flip town?

Starbuck. I'm sorry if I came across nasty before. I wonder whether you'd see your way clear to answering my previous post while you're at it.

Since several people are waiting to hear why you think I'm top suspect, I promise to answer all your points by way of a quid pro quo.

[wolframnhart]

We have time for a bit of a wait, but in the mean time i would like manho to answer my question to him.

[Kdub]

Heilograph has requested replacement. I will begin searching for one.

[manho]

@wolf, i don't see the reason behind starbuck's wagon strong enought, and think that was a scum-pushed wagon, so my initial suspicious go to dybeck. but then find that the starbuck lynch is very informative, and starbuck is still neutral in my scum list, so decide to lynch her. i didn't say we need starbuck lynch quickly, and i'm still waiting for a case from her before her lynch.

[Kdub]

Starbuck has been prodded. Still looking for a replacement for Heilograph.

Vote Count

Starbuck (5)

- dybeck, kikuchiyo, Riceballtail, Heilograph, bv310

Riceballtail (0)

-

bv310 (3)

- MadCrawdad, Papa Zito, Narninian

MadCrawdad (0)

-

kikuchiyo (0)

-

Heilograph (0)

-

Papa Zito (1)

- Sibelius

wolframnhart (0)

-

Narninian (0)

-

manho (0)

-

dybeck (2)

- Starbuck, manho

Sibelius (0)

-

No Lynch (0)

-

Not Voting (1)

- wolframnhart

12 votes available, 7 votes needed to lynch.

Deadline is January 26, ~ 12:30 am MST.

[Riceballtail]

@wolf, i don't see the reason behind starbuck's wagon strong enought, and think that was a scum-pushed wagon, so my initial suspicious go to dybeck. but then find that the starbuck lynch is very informative, and starbuck is still neutral in my scum list, so decide to lynch her. i didn't say we need starbuck lynch quickly, and i'm still waiting for a case from her before her lynch.

So, just waiting for the bus to show before you throw?

[MadCrawdad]

@wolf, i don't see the reason behind starbuck's wagon strong enought, and think that was a scum-pushed wagon, so my initial suspicious go to dybeck. but then find that the starbuck lynch is very informative, and starbuck is still neutral in my scum list, so decide to lynch her. i didn't say we need starbuck lynch quickly, and i'm still waiting for a case from her before her lynch.

The problem with your plan is that you look to be setting yourself up to smell like a rose no matter how Starbuck flips...

If you hammer and she's scum, you've nailed scum...

If you hammer and she's town, it apparently gives you ammunition to go after another player, even though you're the one who hammered someone you didn't find scummy.

Please clarify if I've gotten something wrong.

[Starbuck]

I'm here. I've got a notepad document in the works. I'm just trying to arrange my thoughts.

[wolframnhart]

@wolf, i don't see the reason behind starbuck's wagon strong enought, and think that was a scum-pushed wagon, so my initial suspicious go to dybeck. but then find that the starbuck lynch is very informative, and starbuck is still neutral in my scum list, so decide to lynch her. i didn't say we need starbuck lynch quickly, and i'm still waiting for a case from her before her lynch.

Ok let me see if I have this right, because this post just stinks of scum to me.

You believe that the Starbuck wagon is scum driven.
You believe that the Starbuck wagon could give you info, so you are willing to lynch a neutral player.
You are waiting on a case from her

before her lynch

?

Sounds like you already have the lynch done in your mind and are waiting to seem more town by giving her a chance to put a case up before you lynch her.

vote manho

[Papa Zito]

So much for Starbuck, eh wolf.

manho, what's neutral about Rumblebuffin?

[Papa Zito]

So much for Starbuck, eh wolf.

manho, what's neutral about Rumblebuffin?

[wolframnhart]

So much for Starbuck, eh wolf.

manho, what's neutral about Rumblebuffin?

huh?

[Papa Zito]

You were waiting for her big post before you laid down the Big V.

i'd like to wait to see a case by starbuck

This game is zzzzzzzzz let's just lynch bv310 so we can go to bed feeling good about killing scum.