Mafia 108 - Mafia With The Quickness - over!

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Vote Count #1 of Day 4

Not voting (6) <-~ Yosarian2, Haylen, SaintKerrigan, Zachrulez, Ellibereth, Maemuki

With 6 alive, 4 votes will do it.

Note:

an asterisk by a player's name indicates said player would be lynched if Day were to end right this moment without a lynch majority.

Sunday, January 24th at 4 P.M. EST

[Haylen]

K. I'll talk about it.

Camn - I shot camn because if it came closer to the end of the game and I found her scummy, I didn't think I'd be able to lynch her. I have yet to stop my emotions influencing who I find scum or town in my games.

Gayle - It was a toss up of whether I killed Gayle or Bogre on Night 2. I found both of them had been quite fluffy and lurky and I thought they might be lurker scum. Bare in mind that this is the first game in which i've actually gotten to Vig people: I remember reading in a thread about the best way to deal with lurkers was for the Vig to get them. I thought Bogre was more likely to be lynched yesterday, which was why I pushed for his lynch.

Glork - I'm really not sure what it was about Glork that made me think he was scum. In all honestly, I changed the name on my night action PM at the last moment from SK to Glork. I think it was something about his posting style, but I'm not sure.

Paraphrasing of Role PM:

Haylen's the worst Vig in the History of the MafiaScum,
She should try not to lynch townies.

[Yosarian2]

Just to be clear, you are claiming vig, correct?

I'm too disappointed in myself to talk about it.

Gayle was vigged, btw.

's ok, Haylen. It happens. Vig is an evil, evil role.

Ok, so unless we get a counterclaim, Haylen has to be either Vig or Sk. (I'd say 80% chance of vig). I think Eli is town.

So, if there is a two man scumteam remaining, it has to be in the group of (# SaintKerrigan
# Zachrulez
# Maemuki)

I doubt SaintK and Zach are scum together, considering how SaintK's been attacking Zach all game, so assuming there's a 2 man scum group, the scum is probably (SaintK+Mae) or (Zach+Mae). Zach+Mae is probably more likely. In any case, I think today we lynch Mae, and then Haylen shoots tonight.

[Yosarian2]

Haylen's the worst Vig in the History of the MafiaScum,

Not even close.

[Maemuki]

...hey, Zach, what do you think about Hayl? Townie or scum?

Well, you did say that you could read Hayl well.

[Maemuki]

I doubt SaintK and Zach are scum together, considering how SaintK's been attacking Zach all game

*coughbussingcough* Hey I've seen it happen. Whatever~ You don't have actual reasons to suspect me, now do you?

[Yosarian2]

I doubt SaintK and Zach are scum together, considering how SaintK's been attacking Zach all game

*coughbussingcough* Hey I've seen it happen. Whatever~ You don't have actual reasons to suspect me, now do you?

Eh, I've been suspicious of you on and off for much of the game.

Zach and SaintK could be distancing, I just don't think it's that likely; SaintK came pretty close to lynching Zach way back on day 1, and has been on his case for most of the game.

In any case, even if I'm wrong about that, so long as I'm right about Haylen being a town vig and Eli being town (and knowing my own alignment), then town should win this; we lynch one of the three of (SaintK, Zach, Mae) today, vig a second one tonight, lynch the third one tommorow, guarenteed win. If you want me to not vote you today, then convince me I'm wrong about one of those two assumptions.

[Zachrulez]

...hey, Zach, what do you think about Hayl? Townie or scum?

Well, you did say that you could read Hayl well.

Apparently I'm not as good at reading her as I think.

She's scum.

Short version of the story because I'm busy at work at the moment. She's not lying about the fact that she killed Glork, I can verify that. But she is lying about targeting camn. Netopolis targeted Camn on night 1 and

no one else.

How do I know this?

I am a watcher

Vote: Haylen

Summary of my results, I targeted Camn on night 1, and Glork on night 2 and 3. No one visited Glork on night 2.

[Haylen]

Vote Zach

Dont lie.

[Haylen]

Zach, you do realise we've already had a variation of cop role when camn flipped tracker right?

[Haylen]

Also, i've been dropping crumbs since day 1.

[Yosarian2]

Huh.

Ok, either Zach or Haylen is lying scum.

I really don't believe Zach here. For one thing, if Haylen is a SK or whatever, then if she didn't target camn night 1, then what did she do? If she's not a vig, then why were there 2 kills on night 2? For that matter, why would a SK lie and say she targeted camn of all people? A SK trying to fake a vig claim would say "I didn't kill anyone night one", I'd think.

Besides, there was no reason why Haylen would have claimed when she did if she was lying; it dosn't really make sense.

Finally, a scumteam with Zach in it (either Zach/Mae or Zach/SaintK) would have to do a gambit like this here in order to not lose.

I really think Zach is scum.

Fos:Zach

[Zachrulez]

Have you ever played a game where the scum have had a one shot vig power Yos?

[Haylen]

Hey! Day started!

Vote Haylen

Claim Llama tracker monkey mason day

vig

with a pinch of double voter, my special abilities are being able to change into a super saint reviver with the ability to lick all of the llama in the game

Right, so who wasn't active enough to make a kill on night one?

Explain how I knew someone didn't kill on N1.

you wouldnt believe me anyway. lol.

When asked why I wouldnt claim. I'm well known for my opinions that scum should claim Vig. In my last (and first) game as Vig, I was lynched Day 1 when i claimed, because of these opinions.

Not to mention everything I said today.

[Yosarian2]

Have you ever played a game where the scum have had a one shot vig power Yos?

Hmm.

That's possible, I suppose; rare, but I've seen it. That's be pretty harsh in a game with a supersaint, though; town lynches the supersaint, scum can get 3 kills in a row.

I can't see scum with an extra kill using it to kill Gayle of all people, in any case; he was obviously going to get lynched if he didn't get vigged first.

[Yosarian2]

I think I'm going to wait and make sure everyone gets the chance to respond (just in case someone else is going to conterclaim vig, hah), and if no one does, or gives me a REALLY good reason why I shouldn't, I'm going to vote Zach.

[Zachrulez]

Have you ever played a game where the scum have had a one shot vig power Yos?

Hmm.

That's possible, I suppose; rare, but I've seen it. That's be pretty harsh in a game with a supersaint, though; town lynches the supersaint, scum can get 3 kills in a row.

Harsher than a vig that can kill multiple times?

I can't see scum with an extra kill using it to kill Gayle of all people, in any case; he was obviously going to get lynched if he didn't get vigged first.

That's nk speculation. I can think of at least a few reasons for scum to kill Gayle, but it's all WIFOM.

[Haylen]

I would like to kill Zach tonight. If you let me do this, it will should that I am not scum, and Im certainly not part of his scumteam.

Plus, there's a little thing to do with pride.

[SaintKerrigan]

Lol I figured out that Haylen was the vig on my way to the doctor's appointment.

Meanwhile,

Vote: Zach

for lying about his role.

@ Haylen: Why not kill Zach today instead?

[SaintKerrigan]

@ Mae: You're dodging my question regarding what happened to your suspicions of Haylen.

[Zachrulez]

Lol I figured out that Haylen was the vig on my way to the doctor's appointment.

Meanwhile,

Vote: Zach

for lying about his role.

@ Haylen: Why not kill Zach today instead?

She softclaimed vig... so what? That doesn't really mean anything.

[Ellibereth]

Don't believe Zach at all. Have had a town read on Haylen all day.
I'm prepared to hammer whenev but a few comments I want to get in:

I agree to the most part with Yos's plan, with one huge major difference: I think Yos is the most probably partner for Zach. I find Mae town, so Haylen's kill tonight should be between Kerri and Yos IMO.

[Zachrulez]

I think I'm going to wait and make sure everyone gets the chance to respond (just in case someone else is going to conterclaim vig, hah), and if no one does, or gives me a REALLY good reason why I shouldn't, I'm going to vote Zach.

Why do you think there's a chance that someone will counter Haylen's vig claim?

Why do you also seem to presume that no one will counter me?

It looks like you're coming from a position of knowledge to me.

[SaintKerrigan]

Lol I figured out that Haylen was the vig on my way to the doctor's appointment.

Meanwhile,

Vote: Zach

for lying about his role.

@ Haylen: Why not kill Zach today instead?

She softclaimed vig... so what? That doesn't really mean anything.

It makes me more willing to believe her than you. The fact that I figured out she was the vig before she claimed makes it doubly so.

[Zachrulez]

Have you ever played in a game where scum have intentionally given off pr vibes?