Mafia 108 - Mafia With The Quickness - over!

Haylen · Post Post #1125 (ISO) » Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:03 pm

Lol. I'm REALLY not comfortable with the weight of the game resting on my kill tonight. I'm not that good with kills, as you've already seen and I think I'd prefer it if we discussed amongst each other who I kill tonight and decide that way.

Ellibereth · Post Post #1126 (ISO) » Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:05 pm

Haylen wrote:Lol. I'm REALLY not comfortable with the weight of the game resting on my kill tonight. I'm not that good with kills, as you've already seen and I think I'd prefer it if we discussed amongst each other who I kill tonight and decide that way.

Yos or Kerri.

Zachrulez · Post Post #1127 (ISO) » Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:06 pm

Haylen wrote:Lol. I'm REALLY not comfortable with the weight of the game resting on my kill tonight. I'm not that good with kills, as you've already seen and I think I'd prefer it if we discussed amongst each other who I kill tonight and decide that way.

You don't need to be that good with kills after lynching me, because it won't matter who you kill, you'll have already had the game won.

SaintKerrigan · Post Post #1128 (ISO) » Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:08 pm

Actually, there's a much easier way to do this.

Unvote: Zachrulez. Vote: No-Lynch.

Today everyone votes no-lynch. If Haylen is the vig, then scum would be crazy not to kill her tonight. Vig-Haylen should target Zach. If she's the vig, she kills Zach-scum. If she's scum, then killing Zach will reveal he's telling the truth, and we can lynch her tomorrow. If she's scum and doesn't kill Zach, we lynch her anyways. It's the safest possible solution.

Haylen · Post Post #1129 (ISO) » Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:09 pm

The only way you could be a Watcher Zach is if I was roleblocked, and I can't have been roleblocked since our role blocker was dead already. Your claim doesnt make sense unless scum have a role blocker too, which i dont really think is likely.

There has been previous evidence to suggest that I can't lynch camn so that night kill makes quite a lot of sense.

Haylen · Post Post #1130 (ISO) » Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:10 pm

SaintKerrigan wrote:Actually, there's a much easier way to do this.

Unvote: Zachrulez. Vote: No-Lynch.

Today everyone votes no-lynch. If Haylen is the vig, then scum would be crazy not to kill her tonight. Vig-Haylen should target Zach. If she's the vig, she kills Zach-scum. If she's scum, then killing Zach will reveal he's telling the truth, and we can lynch her tomorrow. If she's scum and doesn't kill Zach, we lynch her anyways. It's the safest possible solution.

You do realise that doesnt make any sense what you just said, right? If we no lynch and I dont kill scum tonight, town lose.

Yosarian2 · Post Post #1131 (ISO) » Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:10 pm

Zachrulez wrote:
Yosarian2 wrote:
Zachrulez wrote:Have you ever played a game where the scum have had a one shot vig power Yos?
Hmm.

That's possible, I suppose; rare, but I've seen it. That's be pretty harsh in a game with a supersaint, though; town lynches the supersaint, scum can get 3 kills in a row.
Harsher than a vig that can kill multiple times?

Um..how is a standard vig "harsh", exactally?

Yosarian2 wrote:I can't see scum with an extra kill using it to kill Gayle of all people, in any case; he was obviously going to get lynched if he didn't get vigged first.

That's nk speculation. I can think of at least a few reasons for scum to kill Gayle, but it's all WIFOM.

Name one.

Ellibereth · Post Post #1132 (ISO) » Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:11 pm

SaintKerrigan wrote:Actually, there's a much easier way to do this.

Unvote: Zachrulez. Vote: No-Lynch.

Today everyone votes no-lynch. If Haylen is the vig, then scum would be crazy not to kill her tonight. Vig-Haylen should target Zach. If she's the vig, she kills Zach-scum. If she's scum, then killing Zach will reveal he's telling the truth, and we can lynch her tomorrow. If she's scum and doesn't kill Zach, we lynch her anyways. It's the safest possible solution.

No. We're not voting no lynch. We're lynching obvscum. I don't like this plan at all.

Haylen: I'm leaning more towards Nking Kerri than Yos now.

SaintKerrigan · Post Post #1133 (ISO) » Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:12 pm

@ Haylen: At this point, either you or Zach is lying. You both can't possibly be telling the truth. Tonight you promise to kill Zach, under penalty of lynch tomorrow if you kill anyone other than Zach. If Zach is scum, your kill will eliminate him and clear your name (although you'll probably die overnight anyway, as scum would be crazy not to kill you). If Zach flips town, then he's telling the truth, and you'll be lynched for it.

It's as simple as that.

Yosarian2 · Post Post #1134 (ISO) » Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:13 pm

Haylen wrote:I would like to kill Zach tonight. If you let me do this, it will should that I am not scum, and Im certainly not part of his scumteam.

Neah, we're lynching Zach today. It's safer that way, since he's 100% confirmed scum; there's always the chance your kill will fail, if there's a godfather or something, so we have to lynch the confirmed scum today.

Tonight, kill Mae.

It's quite obvious Mae is Zach's scum partner. She came out of the gate today pushing for a SK lynch. And if you notice, Zach counterclaimed you IN ORDER TO TRY AND SAVE MAE, since we were about to lynch her.

Haylen · Post Post #1135 (ISO) » Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:13 pm

I would support an SK night kill, since i had originally put his name down in my action PM anyway.

SaintKerrigan · Post Post #1136 (ISO) » Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:14 pm

@ Elli: My plan guarantees that we catch a scum tomorrow. If we lynch the wrong person today, it's game over. I'm playing the safest course.

Yosarian2 · Post Post #1137 (ISO) » Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:14 pm

SaintKerrigan wrote:Actually, there's a much easier way to do this.

Unvote: Zachrulez. Vote: No-Lynch.

Today everyone votes no-lynch. If Haylen is the vig, then scum would be crazy not to kill her tonight. Vig-Haylen should target Zach. If she's the vig, she kills Zach-scum. If she's scum, then killing Zach will reveal he's telling the truth, and we can lynch her tomorrow. If she's scum and doesn't kill Zach, we lynch her anyways. It's the safest possible solution.

No, we're lynching Zach today.

Any other plan loses if, say, Zach happens to be a bulletproof godfather or something.

Haylen · Post Post #1138 (ISO) » Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:14 pm

Ok. Zach lynch today. NKing him would have been for my own selfish purposes of wanting to get at least one kill right

Yosarian2 · Post Post #1139 (ISO) » Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:15 pm

Haylen wrote:I would support an SK night kill, since i had originally put his name down in my action PM anyway.

Haylen: It's Mae. SK is not likely to be scum with Zach at all, look at how hard SK's been trying to lynch Zach all game.

Yosarian2 · Post Post #1140 (ISO) » Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:15 pm

Anyway,

Vote:Zach

Ellibereth · Post Post #1141 (ISO) » Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:16 pm

SaintKerrigan wrote:@ Elli: My plan guarantees that we catch a scum tomorrow. If we lynch the wrong person today, it's game over. I'm playing the safest course.

Safe, schmafe. I don't want some shitty night abilities we don't know about screwing this up. Zach dies today.

SaintKerrigan · Post Post #1142 (ISO) » Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:17 pm

Actually, never mind my plan. I just saw that Zach didn't immediately counter Haylen. He's defscum.

Unvote: No-Lynch. Vote: Zach.

@ Haylen: Why would I be partners with Zach? I wanted to lynch him since early in the game, and I gave good reason for it, too.

Yosarian2 · Post Post #1143 (ISO) » Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:17 pm

Zachrulez wrote: Why do you think there's a chance that someone will counter Haylen's vig claim?

Oh, I don't think it's likely at all, but it was logical to wait; I was assuming Haylen was confirmed town, so long as she wasn't counterclaimed on the kill.

Why do you also seem to presume that no one will counter me?

(shrug) Irrelevent. You're scum even if no one counterclaims you. Only thing that could have gotten me to not lynch you would have been if Eli counterclaimed Haylen.

SaintKerrigan · Post Post #1144 (ISO) » Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:18 pm

Ellibereth · Post Post #1145 (ISO) » Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:21 pm

Hayle:

Me wrote:
Neto, Kerri, Bogre

Neto, Kerri, Zach

Neto, Bogre, Zach

Neto, Zach, Yos

I stand by the above. Whatever Yos is saying I don't feel Maescum.

Yosarian2 · Post Post #1146 (ISO) » Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:21 pm

Yup, we got them.

I set forth a plan where town couldn't possibly lose unless I was wrong about Eli or Haylen, involving lynching Mae, then vigging Zach and, if that didn't do it, lynching SK tommorow. Zach responded by fake counter-claiming. Zach and Mae are the scum.

Yosarian2 · Post Post #1147 (ISO) » Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:22 pm

Ellibereth wrote:Hayle:
Me wrote:
Neto, Kerri, Bogre

Neto, Kerri, Zach

Neto, Bogre, Zach

Neto, Zach, Yos
I stand by the above. Whatever Yos is saying I don't feel Maescum.

Meh. Zach wouldn't have counterclaimed there if I was scum with him; he would have sit back and let us lynch Mae. The counterclaim was clearly a desperation gambit because he was about to lose.

SaintKerrigan · Post Post #1148 (ISO) » Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:24 pm

Yos, at what point today where we going to lynch Mae?

Yosarian2 · Post Post #1149 (ISO) » Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:26 pm

SaintKerrigan wrote:Yos, at what point today where we going to lynch Mae?

SaintK, look at when he counterclamed. He did so RIGHT AFTER I said this:

Yosarian2 wrote: Ok, so unless we get a counterclaim, Haylen has to be either Vig or Sk. (I'd say 80% chance of vig). I think Eli is town.

So, if there is a two man scumteam remaining, it has to be in the group of (# SaintKerrigan
# Zachrulez
# Maemuki)

I doubt SaintK and Zach are scum together, considering how SaintK's been attacking Zach all game, so assuming there's a 2 man scum group, the scum is probably (SaintK+Mae) or (Zach+Mae). Zach+Mae is probably more likely. In any case, I think today we lynch Mae, and then Haylen shoots tonight.

I had solved the game, and he knew it. The counterclaim, trying to get Haylen lynched instead, was the only chance he had left.