magnus_orion - 5
Farside22 - 2
Jack - 1
Haschel Cedricson - 1
Flareonage - 1
TheLonging - 1
Primate - 1
Not Voting - 7
With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.
Still to confirm:
Anon
V/LA:
TheLonging (exams)
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People have to make invalid points to be scum? News to me.Tell me what part of my post is invalid?
That's a bad reason to vote.RichardGHP wrote:vote: magnus_orion.
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Oh really lets see that reason againmag scum said wrote:OMGUS is similarly ridiculous. I gave a reason that was independent of you voting me. If I hadn't then, yes, it is a scum-tell, however, if that is not the case, then the OMGUS accusation shouldn't give you a shield from ever being attacked by someone you are voting.
Farside's post doesn't show an attempt to continue a conversation with me in order to gain evidence to further gauge my alignment. Instead, its written with a purpose to convince other people to follow his ideas.
Town should be trying to ask me questions at this point, or at least trying to get me to talk more, scum will be trying to push town skepticism toward suspicion by making drawn out explanations, but not asking questions. (well, he does ask questions, but they serve rhetorical purpose, not inquisitive)
Vote:magnus_orion
Your job to convince me I'm wrong.
Your vote was saying I wasn't asking question which I proved I did ask questions nor was I looking to engage with you. None which is true so yes your "case" is clearly OMGUS.I gave a reason that was independent of you voting me
Could you explain what you mean by "convince others of his opinion"? How does that differ from giving a reasoned vote with evidence? If farside called explicitly for more votes I missed it; Richard on the other hand did exactly that without eliciting any comment.magnus_orion wrote:Jack did not make an attempt to try and convince others of his opinion, so there's no real scum motivation behind it, just not fulfilling the town motivation. ...he's not trying to push other people to accept his positions, so I'm not going to accuse him of being scum.
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On primate, his post was similarly constructed without the intent to convince others.
PFFT it's garbage. I presented a case he can't defend so he is attacking me for that case. This way he doesn't have to respond to the case and sweep it under like it's nothing at all.ElectricBadger wrote:Could you explain what you mean by "convince others of his opinion"? How does that differ from giving a reasoned vote with evidence? If farside called explicitly for more votes I missed it; Richard on the other hand did exactly that without eliciting any comment.magnus_orion wrote:Jack did not make an attempt to try and convince others of his opinion, so there's no real scum motivation behind it, just not fulfilling the town motivation. ...he's not trying to push other people to accept his positions, so I'm not going to accuse him of being scum.
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On primate, his post was similarly constructed without the intent to convince others.
Richard isn't trying to convince people, he's just calling for more people...farside22 wrote:PFFT it's garbage. I presented a case he can't defend so he is attacking me for that case. This way he doesn't have to respond to the case and sweep it under like it's nothing at all.ElectricBadger wrote:Could you explain what you mean by "convince others of his opinion"? How does that differ from giving a reasoned vote with evidence? If farside called explicitly for more votes I missed it; Richard on the other hand did exactly that without eliciting any comment.magnus_orion wrote:Jack did not make an attempt to try and convince others of his opinion, so there's no real scum motivation behind it, just not fulfilling the town motivation. ...he's not trying to push other people to accept his positions, so I'm not going to accuse him of being scum.
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On primate, his post was similarly constructed without the intent to convince others.
His attacks against EB senseless drivel.
Attacks against farside OMGUS, backtracking nonsense.
Right because people are mindless zombies that doent' know how to read a thread and make there own assement on a player. (sarcasm in case you missed it)Keep hitting that strawman. I didn't say nobody except scum make cases. That's like saying nobody except scum will lie. However, I think that scum would be more likely make cases this early in the game that do not have systems for attempting to continue conversation to gather more evidence. Its simply too early, there is simply too little information, for you not to want to try to gain more and make sure your right.
As to your other point, its not really relevant, because just because my point is scum like to try to convince town doesn't mean that scum don't also try to avoid making claims. Some scum behave differently than others. It would be silly to layout a single criteria and say that every scum you run into will behave exactly like this.
Your going to need quotes for me to understand which one is 1, 2 or 3.I take issue with 2.
Since when does unusual imply scummy? Such a necessary premise in your argument is completely unfounded. There is no incentive for scum to behave in an unusual manner. In fact, one could argue that the entire motivation is for scum to attempt to act as normal as possible.
flare as scumHowever, I think that scum would be more likely make cases this early in the game that do not have systems for attempting to continue conversation to gather more evidence
That was an application of proper argument and logic to your case. Generally an argument is premises that support a conclusionYour going to need quotes for me to understand which one is 1, 2 or 3.
I didn't number it so I dont' know which point you consider illogical or unusual actions.
I'm questioning the premise that if you can prove "magnus is making no sense" then it follows "magnus is scum"magnus is making absolutely no sense with his attack on EB. He's calling EB scum for either post 40 which I took as a joke or because of the primate theory which he's seems to think it's something more.
vote: Magnus