Newbie 892 - The Future of Magic. Game Over! Mafia Win

[Doctor]

don't worry, town, I'll save you all!
Ray im sorry to say you've not done much but follow the wagons all game, tall claim:P

Eas, as im sure everyones not sure if im telling the truth im also unsure if you are, can I ask why you protected me and yos?

and to bolstier my claim some, reread some of my older stuff. I was fairly suspicious of tracker until day 2 where Basically dropped any of my personal suspicion and began defending him some(save for a few lies just to keep the scum from thinking i really was the cop and these were just mentioned in passing), and focused on others specifically lordC, now im no longer suspicious of him.

Also I had a bout of paranoia agaisnt Lordc when i suspected him of also role phishing against me.

Now chronos, ironically your the only person here I can trust
whether you trust me enough is the question.

[LordChronos]

Right now, I am inclined to believe Doctor's cop claim. I am not sure about easjo's doctor claim, though.

I am becoming more and more suspicious of RayFrost as time goes on. Between him, Yosarian, and easjo, I would feel by far the most comfortable lynching him.

[Haylen]

haylens

[RayFrost]

There's a problem with Doctor being teh cop.



Guess it guys, come on.

Should be painfully obvious.

[Doctor]

Guess it guys, come on.

Should be painfully obvious.

Withholding information from the town, bad idea regardless if its incriminating on me, I would like to hear it.

Chronos, I do happen to agree with you not because hes interested in me, I had suspicions on him early on, before you called me on it and got me focused on you.

When i mislynched he just said he really didnt like it and voted me, when he learned I was under suspicion but people wern't ready to lynch me that early he quickly swapped votes to the next most suspicious person.

[Doctor]

Edit: He didnt add why he didn't like it might i add.

[Yosarian2]

Hmm. This is a bizarre situation, and I'm not sure what's going on here with Ray. Ray, are you counterclaiming cop here? If he is, he's going about it in kind of a weird way, that's for sure.

In any case, easjo68 is lying, and therefore is scum. I am the real doctor.

vote:easjo682

That was why I reacted like I did to that odd little bit of joking between Tracker and Doctor about the doctor role back in the start of the game, was because I am the doctor, and I really didn't want people talking about the doctor role like that.

I actually protected Ray both night 1 and night 2.

Anyway, whatever's going on with Ray and Doctor here, my impulse would be to figure it out tomorrow, and since we're in lynch or lose here, to lynch easjo682 today, who (from my point of view, at least) has to be scum, so we can at least make it to endgame.

I'm actually wondering if the scum decided at some point last night that there weren't any power roles in the game, and so they decided it'd be safe to fakeclaim.

[easjo682]

I protected Yos night one because, I had to protect someone I thought was town so I rolled a dice between my suspected townies

I protected Doctor night two because I thought he had a good chance of being lynched.

and Rayfrost don't say something is painfully obivous and leave people guessing it's a dick of a thing to do and comes across as a delaying tactic.

[RayFrost]

Guess it guys, come on.

Should be painfully obvious.

Withholding information from the town, bad idea regardless if its incriminating on me, I would like to hear it.

Chronos, I do happen to agree with you not because hes interested in me, I had suspicions on him early on, before you called me on it and got me focused on you.

When i mislynched he just said he really didnt like it and voted me, when he learned I was under suspicion but people wern't ready to lynch me that early he quickly swapped votes to the next most suspicious person.

It's because you are scum.

This is a really nice scum gambit btw.

claim cop with an innocent on chronos (probably town at that) to get the town to lynch somebody else with you being a "deciding force" since people dismiss you as town.

Scum have the most incentive to fake claim right off the bat.

You not only got easjo to claim (if she's really the doc), but you also likely get the possible cop to reveal themselves.

In doing so, you lose 1 guy while taking out the cop and doc.

You could've easily gone on to lynch me if not for the fact your gambit is easy to see through.

These kinds of gambits are likely to come from overeager scum in lylo that want to finish the game quickly. It works if the town is gullible enough to fall for it.

I applaud you for having come up with the idea to do this, but it was the wrong move. Your most likely scum buddy is Yos2, with easjo being second most likely.

LC is unlikely scum due to the fact you called an innocent on him.

Scum is more likely to claim an innocent on a real townie to get one guy that thinks they are town because "hey, cop with an innocent on me! he must be town." Also, claiming an innocent on the dead guy was smooth. Really easy to do that and not run any risks. Adds credibility to the fakeclaim as well.

A real cop is more likely to claim with guilties, but an innocent is less likely due to the fact the information isn't as useful. An innocent has little value unless the person runs the chance of being lynched.

This game is pretty much under wraps with this.

vote: doctor

I'm willing to risk it all on my belief that you are scum, doctor.

[RayFrost]

sniped by the lot of you, wtf.

unvote

[RayFrost]

Well, looking at this, we have our scumteam.

How lulzy is that?

[RayFrost]

Hmm. This is a bizarre situation, and I'm not sure what's going on here with Ray.

Ray, are you counterclaiming cop here?

If he is, he's going about it in kind of a weird way, that's for sure.

Nope.

Just think he's gambling.

[Yosarian2]

Hmm. That's an interesting theory, Ray. Kind of an odd reaction, though; I'm really wondering here if you're scum trying to discredit a town cop.

In any case, since I'm a doctor and easjo682 must be scum here, and no one's counterclaimed the cop claim, there's only a few possibilities. If there is a scum roleblocker, then that means there has to be both a cop and a doc, so Doctor would have to be telling the truth.

Basically, if we lynch eas0682 and he flips scum roleblocker, then Doctor becomes a 100% confirmed town, at least from my point of view.

[easjo682]

funny thing there Ray, I read docs post and went
well either hes telling the truth, therefore Ray and Yos are scum
or hes scum pretending to be cop and getting away with it and by claiming chronos is innocent keeping him alive too

Yos is scum

Vote: Yosarian2

theres a reason I didn't react to the doctor thing, i didn't want it to point me out as the doctor.
i dont see how that would prove doctor 100% town?

[RayFrost]

No cop CC, there is a doc, which means that RB confirms there is a cop.

[Yosarian2]

i dont see how that would prove doctor 100% town?

Because if there is a scum roleblocker, then there has to be either no power roles, or both a cop and a doc. I know there is at least a doctor, since I am the doctor; so, if we lynch you and you flip scum roleblocker, then I'll know that there has to be a cop as well, which would mean The Doctor is telling the truth.

In any case, the two of you who are town, it's up to you guys. Today we're either lynching me or easjo. You need to go back, look at the game, and figure out which one of us you think is more likely to be scum. If you pick right, I probably get nightkilled tonight, but town is going to be in good shape tomorrow. If you lynch the wrong guy today, town loses.

[RayFrost]

Too much pressure to get it right.

I'm TERRIBLE IN LYLO!

I've only gotten it right one time. Ever.

[easjo682]

nice try, I dont think people are going to join a bandwagon that easily if i was them, i'd take there time deciding, unfortunately the same situation you point out is actually the case for me seeing as I'm the doctor.
and yes you will look in good shape if they look back because all along you have been completely under the radar, no doubt laughing you head off that we never suspected you...

[RayFrost]

what is going through my head at this moment:

Woohoo, yos2 is cranking up the appeal to fear!

gogoyos2wagon!

vote yos2!

yeah!

yeah!

YEAH!!!!!! voting, voting, oh crap, nevermind, easjo did it too

gah.

I can't tell which is scum.

AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

Now I have to reread the entire freaking game.

Screw this, I'm going with instinct which will pop up sometime later. I knows it will.

Okay, no voting until then, woohoo.

[Doctor]

So here is the deal, Ray i think you are scum you have done NOTHING this entire game, and now you are attempting to discredit my claim with circumstantial evidence at best.

You have also claimed to go reread the entire thread twice now once before and you came back with NOTHING.

Second Eas and Yos, both of you are a bit confusing too me atm, you both could be doctor but one of you is definatly scum.

Ive gotten a doctor vibe from yos earlier when he talked about roles claiming to keep from being lynched, but it could have been role fishing as well, eas you have that wrap with dimaba about the hipocrasy still on your back.

not to mention youve posted 5 times, only one containing real content in the last few posts.

Yos has contributed quite alot more to the town, but that dosnt make him town. He is the most experienced here if im not mistaken, which could allow him to blend in better.

Personally im leaning towards Ray, Eas, but Ray, Yos is possible too.

Chronos I would appreciate your input before I go onward, currently i support taking out ray, BUT I COULD BE WRONG, he just could be a very poor town.

I have been wrong twice on both my main suspicions such far, and I dont wish to make the same mistake again, I'd rather have soem imput.

FOS Rayfrost

[RayFrost]

Eh, I'm not confirmed scum.

Lynch yos.

When he flips scum, you can 'investigate' me to see I'm town.

[Doctor]

not to mention youve posted 5 times, only one containing real content in the last few

*was aimed at rayfrost excuse me*

[Doctor]

Eh, I'm not confirmed scum.

Lynch yos.

When he flips scum, you can 'investigate' me to see I'm town

See thats the thing, youve been hopping around on who to lynch with no real reasons here all day, I'll vote yos when I feel he is suspicious enough too lynch.

Theres also the very real possibility of me being NKed and not getting that chance ray, since I've claimed cop I'm a very real target, and if there is a doctor there is a role blocker, one of us will get blocked the other nked simple as that.

Im simply not gonna vote someone because they think I should with no real reasoning, I am asking for chronos' opinion but imnot gonna follow him in on a vote unless he personally has a good reason for it either.

[Doctor]

there is also the possibility that both yos and Eas are fake claiming doc to gain credit, and that ray is a townie, im not gonna rule this out.

[easjo682]

There's a possibility that both Yos and Doctor are fake claiming, and they're working together.
There's a possibility that Doctor is being truthful and that would mean Yos and Rayfrost are both scum

these are my two top theories.