Teleportation Mafia Universe TWO (TOWN WINS)

[Kairyuu]

Day 1 Vote Count

animorpherv1 ( 0 )
Anon ( 0 )
DeathRowKitty ( 1 ) Nicodemus
DocPotter ( 1 ) Lowell
Starbuck ( 0 )
Ellibereth ( 1 ) Anon
Elmo ( 0 )
fhqwhads ( 1 ) Jack
Jack ( 3 ) Kairyuu Elmo Starbuck
Jahudo ( 0 )
Kairyuu ( 1 ) DocPotter
Kise ( 0 )
Lowell ( 1 ) DeathRowKitty
Maelyn ( 2 ) Jahudo Ellibereth
Nicodemus ( 0 )
Not Voting ( 4 ) fhqwhads Kise Maelyn animorpherv1
Total ( 15 )

With 15 alive, 8 needed to lynch.
Deadline: 2/8 11am

@Doc: Remember the note in my signup about sending him a PM? That was when it was brought up. The issue was corrected before the game started (before role PMs went out).

@all: I'm taking a few days off from pretty much everything due to some personal issues, which may or may not involve travelling. If you want me replaced for it then go ahead. Mafia isn't really a top priority for me right now.

[Lowell]

@DRK- No it's fine, I still love you.

One general note: the constant attention to the "OU" is a bit strange. While we're all benefitted from eliminating scum THERE I guess, it would seem the scum here benefit the most. Basically, the problem with this construct is that having another universe to talk/think about makes it even easier to

completely

ignore the fray while pretending to be active. doc, for instance. Seriously? FOSs to the other universe?

[Jahudo]

Nico has been gone almost a week. He didn't like scumhunting in the wrong universe either, but he isn't scumhunting in this universe anymore!

Mod: Can you prod Nicodemus and Maelyn?

done

[Anon]

I think Anon is looking for an easy target.

What makes Elli an easy target? I see a legitimate case on him, even if it was easy to find.

I think if he truly found Elli scummy, he wouldn't just do "1 post shows scumhunting" he'd find something else as well. The lack of that makes me thinks he's looking for an easy way to get someone lynched.

/facepalm.

I have explained why I found Elli scummy. 1 post of 16 showing scumhunting is a reasonable scumtell, and not an easy way to get someone lynched. Why would I need to find something else if there is not something else? And what exactly of this makes me looking for an easy way to get someone lynched? Also, people dont get lynched with one vote, they get lynched with a majority which is the way people react to a case.

And you didn't think Maelyn or Kise, for example, were active lurking? They didn't have scumhunting posts either, IMO.

I was around at the time Elibereth posted 164, which tingled my scumdar and made me isolate him, as you can see in my reaction in 165. I agree with Maelyn and Kise being in the same vein, so Id like them to put their top suspects in followng posts.

@Jahudo, what are your thoughts of ani? I simply dont understand his accusation against me, do you?

[Jack]

No, let me clarify: I think ENOUGH have been said about tactics. Continuing tactic talk is, in my opinion, starting to distract town atm.

This makes sense,

unvote:fhqwngads

Although I do find "we need to do this" statements are things scum like to say.

[animorpherv1]

@Anon:

I know one vote doesn't cause a lynch. I'm not

that

stupid. And it's Day 1, even if it is Page 11, AND strategy talking took up a whole bunch of pages. But IMO, if you find soemone scummy, you have at least 2 reasons, 1 main 1 ectra in case the main turns out to be bad/wrong.

[Anon]

Ani, who do you think its more scummy?

Player A who votes for someone and doesnt have a reason to support his vote.

Player B who votes for someone and has one reason to support his vote which is clearly not wrong.

Player C who votes for someone and has two reasons to support this vote and one of them is wrong.

[Maelyn]

Heya, I was just put off by the whole theory discussion. It's not something I'm used to really and confused me quickly.

I'll post more when I've read up and tell Mae to aswell.

~H~

[Starbuck]

Heya, I was just put off by the whole theory discussion. It's not something I'm used to really and confused me quickly.

You aren't the only one.

The above is the exact reason why we have basically no activity, but Universe 1 is taking off.

Mod: Request prods on everyone

[animorpherv1]

A first. If B is using something obvious (like your case) then B, because he's not actually scumhunting.

[Jack]

Vote:Nicodemus

[Nicodemus]

Prod received. I'll be rereading and posting something relevant later tonight.

[Jahudo]

@Jahudo, what are your thoughts of ani? I simply dont understand his accusation against me, do you?

I think I understand his point. You didn't ask Elli questions in your vote post, as though you were okay just to plant a vote and not interact with him directly to get more reasons to call Elli scummy. If that's it, then I don't see how that's different than some other votes in this game.

And ani is actually getting you to reveal things without placing a vote. Though we might of helped him with that.

Anyway, I'm inspired:

@Ellibereth:

I'm not feeling this game yet, some people still haven't really posted.

Why did you say this when you had already declared 4 people town?
What are your top 3 scumpicks?
If Haelyn started scumhunting, would you switch to Kise who also hasn't started scumhunting yet?

[Jack]

@ABR: I agree with lynching DGB

[Starbuck]

@ABR: I agree with lynching DGB

What is it about her that makes you feel she should be lynched?

[Ellibereth]

Why did you say this when you had already declared 4 people town?
What are your top 3 scumpicks?
If Haelyn started scumhunting, would you switch to Kise who also hasn't started scumhunting yet?

1) Not feeling = Not feeling Scum. I also didn't understand crap from the whole theory discussion so that depressed me.
2) Errr, if I have to gut it on the spot, Hae, Anon, and Doc. But that's based on nothing. See 1).
3) Depends on how she starts on scumhunting. And I prob wouldn't switch to V/LA Kise.

[Jack]

@ABR: I agree with lynching DGB

What is it about her that makes you feel she should be lynched?

I thought her reaction to the question evilsnail (I think?) asked was unnatural. It was a long way back in that game, which is to say, on page 11 or so like we are in this game.

[Ellibereth]

Actually, screw that. From the one game I've played with Hayle/Mae and looking through a few of the others while reading there games, active lurking/lurking is normal from them.

Unvote, Vote Doc Potter

IIRC all he's done is fail miserably at talking about strategy and scum-hunting in the other universe. I don't think he even has any reads from this uni not based on strategy.

[Ellibereth]

Yeah, I checked his ISO.
0-16 strategy
17 other uni
18-21 strategy
22-24 other uni

[DocPotter]

@DGB, #511. You brought a smile to my wifes face.

@ABR: She's too entertaining for you guys to lynch.

Lol Elli. Still keen I see. It's a good thing you are comming accross as town or I might be worried. Am I playing like I'm scum?

[Nicodemus]

Our universe should get all the Universe 2 mafia to claim right now.
We teleport 1, they day teleport 1 of their own and we lynch town. Then immediatly lynch town and teleport the third, before Universe 1 can react. (Or lynch anyone they teleport over)

Not good for the Mafia of Universe 2 of course, but we'd get a Universe 2 town win by the end of the week.

This is unfeasible to the point of ridiculousness, and kind of makes me think that you're trying to earn town points by suggesting strategies. Why would the mafia agree to this, ever? This was a pointless post, all it did was make it look like you were contributing.

My gut grumbles at you, Jack.

Vote:Kise

@Jack: Could you explain this blatant OMGUS please?

So, DRK your opinion is to teleport the players that aren't participating? I like that idea.

^^^ I endorse this. Teleport all Lurkers.
The trying to lynch faster so we teleport faster sounds interesting. Have to think about it.

My gut rumbles at this post. Sounds like you're endorsing quicklynching (which would likely benefit scum) but you're hesitant to take an actual stand on the issue.

Jack, can you provide examples of what you are saying about fhq? That very much seemed like an opportunistic jump (especially since you don't give a case, and yes, a case INCLUDES examples of your accusations) to vote him. You are accusing him of not putting in sincere thought, can you also provide examples of where you find this to be so?

All this talk about strategies all sound to me like plans to discourage town to actually scumhunt.

So, by your own claim here, half of your posts were deliberately discouraging the town from actual scumhunting.

This is just reaching now.

Vote: Jack

Starbuck chainsawing for fhqw noted.

Mykonian in the other universe says I'm smart, for what it's worth.

Maybe you didn't read that right, Jack.

@ the other universe

. Jack is trying to be smart and manipulative.

Town doesn't manipulate. Jack is scum.

Nice misrepresentation of mykonian.

This however I find hilarious beyond all description.

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Eh, I kind of started to lose focus towards the end of my reread, but I think I'm going to go ahead and

Unvote

Vote: Doc

. His posts feel forced to me, like he's trying too hard be town. Other people I see as scummy as of right now would be fhwqhgads, Ellibereth, and possibly Starbuck.

[DocPotter]

lol Nico. For picking on a satirical post I made before the game officially started (I think. Timezones) and trying to base a vote on it.

[Elmo]

*yells at mafiascum.net & real life*

DocPotter: No, just that he did break the setup pre-game, and would propose this plan if he were town. Therefore he can't be scummy for it, even if someone personally thinks it's a bad plan, since he would probably do the same if he were town; it's a null tell at worst.

Jahudo: I don't understand how being bandwagoned would help her do that, though. Do you think that, if she's town, her being bandwagoned is pro-town? I don't get it - if you don't think she's scummy, why do you want a wagon on her?

I have ani, anon, and ellibereth as town. Jack, Doc, and mae scum. Others I'm still working on.

I'm shuffling jack lower on my scum list. He gets points for bringing up new ideas, even if they're not all on the mark.

Sorry, what new ideas did he bring up between 188 and 236 that would justify doing that? He'd pretty much said his piece

before

188, that I can see - it looks like you're suddenly voicing less suspicion of Jack for no apparent reason, right after I started attacking him. Why is that, Lowell?

But Elmo, my "knee jerk" reaction was to a plan that didn't take into account the basic rules of the game.

Uh, how? He accounted for everything I can see; the rules were ambiguous, and when the mod clarified, he updated the plan in response. I think that, at bare minimum, it would look dangerous enough to JackScum to get a reaction.

unless the plan being argued against

is actually better

, you have a tough time arguing that someone is scum for promoting an alternate plan.

If I catch you pouring a bottle labelled "poison" into my coffee, it doesn't matter if I actually happen to keep milk in there, right? It's your intent that's important. You pulled a U-turn between post 96 and 156 - you very clearly switch from attacking him to going "oh, I'm not really attacking him". I think you freaked out slightly, then realised your stance wasn't credible.

Deadline: February 8th, 2010 at 11:00am EST

Teleportation Mafia Rules:
3. Each day has a deadline of 2 weeks.

If the deadline is reached, there will be no lynch

I would like to quote this, especially in light of site problems. Votes or even some kind of comment on Jack would be really nice from, like, most people at this point. I'd like to go over the game again, but the site's been just horrible lately, so, uh... yea, we'll see.

[Jack]

Uh, how? He accounted for everything I can see; the rules were ambiguous, and when the mod clarified, he updated the plan in response. I think that, at bare minimum, it would look dangerous enough to JackScum to get a reaction.

No, they weren't ambiguous. They clearly stated that the mafia teams were opposed to each other. I quoted that bit in my post. So the knee jerk reaction is to a plan that doesn't take into account basic features of the game. Why would a townie not have a knee jerk reaction to that?

If I catch you pouring a bottle labelled "poison" into my coffee, it doesn't matter if I actually happen to keep milk in there, right? It's your intent that's important.

But it does if

I

keep milk in there. Because then my intent is to pour milk. You would still have to show that my plan was bad, the plan that everyone else currently agrees we should do.

You pulled a U-turn between post 96 and 156 - you very clearly switch from attacking him to going "oh, I'm not really attacking him". I think you freaked out slightly, then realised your stance wasn't credible.

This shows you are skimming. Why do you ask people to comment on me when you haven't read my posts myself? Check my ISO 18 and 23. Check ISO 10-13 and see if it looks like I'm arguing that Kai is mafia.

*it would be so much nicer if it was only mafia who made bogus, poorly researched accusations, muses Jack to himself*

[fhqwhgads]

Starbuck chainsawing for fhqw noted.

Yeah, I noticed this as well. I decided to let it pass. (OMG bussing!)

Other people I see as scummy as of right now would be fhwqhgads, etc.

Anything you care to point out which I can defend to? Or is this just gut?