Newbie 893 - Newbieland! (GAME OVER)

[SaintKerrigan]

So you are back from V/LA now?

Sort of. The schoolwork's still there, but I'm making a go at trying to get something done here. Although I may have to replace out if activity goes up, I think I have too much on my plate right now.

[Gayle]

I have an idea! Let's quick lynch Nikanor and then you won't have to worry about this game for awhile!

I was shocked to realize I was the only one voting him. Hop on, guys. Bandwagons can only lead to victory.

[Nikanor]

Bleh, I'll catch up later tonight. You guys post too often.

[Pomegranate]

I have an idea! Let's quick lynch Nikanor and then you won't have to worry about this game for awhile!

I was shocked to realize I was the only one voting him. Hop on, guys. Bandwagons can only lead to victory.

I agree with this enough- Nik jumped on the wagon with zero reasoning whatsoever other that "I trust MME because he's a good player. Vote: Riza".

I'll give Nik until tomorrow, but if there's nothing by then, he's definitely earned my vote.

[Nikanor]

Sorry, but I wasn't able to catch up tonight. I have no time tomorrow, either. Friday is a promise, though.

[RayFrost]

@RayFrost: You think Pom and Nikanor are the scum right? Is this because they are both independently scummy?

I don't think that it is necessary for

both

to be scum. Also, I don't think Pome is scummy. It was sainty that I was giving the evil eye.

I feel that they are the most likely to be scum individually, but I don't think they are scum together at this time.

I'd be fine with a lynch of either saintkerrigan (slightly preferred) or nikanor.

[SaintKerrigan]

Mod: I need to be replaced.

I'm really sorry about this, but mafia is actually stressing me out right now. That's a pretty good sign that I need to take a break.

[chauchaudotcom]

@Chau: If you had to lynch someone other than Pom, who would it be and why?

Eh. Other then Pom I don't have anyone I would be comfortable with lynching. My next two suspects would be Nika and Frost however. But that's mainly because their posts are so lacking in content I can't get a read on them at all. The fact that Nika keeps extending his 'I'll catch I promise" rather then replacing out makes me feel like he's doing it on purpose though. So as of now my tops are Pom, Nika, Frost in that order.

Frost, can you explain to me why you feel SK is so suspicious? Is it just because of her meta read?

[Gayle]

Gayle

[SaintKerrigan & Chau]

Nikanor

My Milked Eek

Pomegranate

RayFrost

Nikanor's had no good reason for his vote. Worse, he had a

scummy

reason for his vote. However, his predecessor didn't seem all that scummy to me.

MME replaced Vaporeonage, which doesn't really give me a read. While he seems to be actually scumhunting (day one, at least), his case against Riza seems like it was manufactured. Also, I find some of his responses from earlier in the day scummy.

Pomegranate is not doing any scumhunting, she jumps on the Riza wagon with little reason, she accuses me of being scummy, but when asked to explain why she claims that she no longer finds me scummy, she attacks over trivial things, and she burgles MME's "You should have defended Riza"

defense

tactic. "Burgles" because she physically entered his home and stole it.

Speaking of not doing any scumhunting, if you look back at RayFrost's posts you'll see he hasn't done anything either. He has done plenty of arguing or explaining, but he has added very little. I don't like MME's case against Riza, but RayFrost's is even worse. He doesn't think Pom is scummy? His top suspect is SaintKerrigan, who replaced Jarc?

chau and SK, are not being considered at this time.

@RayFrost:

What do you find scummy about SK and Jarc? Why do you think Pom is town?

@Pom:

Can you explain what you meant by "But [Riza's] timing is the key to her scumminess"? Who is your top suspect and why?

@Chau:

If Pom flips town, where do your suspicions go? If she flips scum, do you believe Nikanor is most likely to be her scum buddy? What was your opinion of Hetemens?

Vote: RayFrost

For making SK replace out. Newbies aren't enough for you anymore?

[My Milked Eek]

Also,

Nikanor and

SaintKerri

Mr. Replacement

, I need your input on the entire thread. I expect something of value within your next two posts.

[xRECKONERx]

Currently searching for a SK replacement.

[TheButtonmen]

Hello, I'm replacing in for SK. I'll do start my re-read tonight/tommorow should be caught up by weekend.

[Pomegranate]

@Pom: Can you explain what you meant by "But [Riza's] timing is the key to her scumminess"? Who is your top suspect and why?

One of the reasons I found Riza scummy was because of the following sequence:

Vapor votes Pom, putting her at L-1
Pom FoSes Vapor
Riza mentions suspicion of Hetemens
JRC FoSes Vapor
Riza FoSes Vapor

I think that this was mentioned before- if Riza found Vapor scummy, why didn't she FoS him in her first post? Why did she wait until a couple of people had already expressed suspicion on him? That was the problem with Riza's timing.

[Gayle]

@Pom: Am I the only one you have suspicions of? What do you think of the Riza Wagon?

Who is your top suspect and why?

...Are you ignoring this question on purpose? Maybe the question is too boring, let's try to liven it up a bit.

You are a one shot dayvig. Town has been manipulated by the clever stratagems of scum for the entire game, and there is little hope for victory. However, if you vig the right person,

right now

, you may be able to revive town's chances to triumph over scum.

Also, this is your avatar.



Now, who would you shoot in the face and why?

[TheButtonmen]

Hello, I'm replacing in for SK. I'll do start my re-read tonight/tommorow should be caught up by weekend.

Because doing my readings about hepatotoxicity caused by pharmacological interactions of acetaminophen and statins in the liver was boring I instead read/skimmed the thread.

While I make notes, I'll start of by

Unvote:, Vote: Nikanor

, He's done quite literally nothing, the most you get out of him are posts defending himself and promisis to post later. He's sitting back and watching the arguments happen, that combined with his well timed hop onto the Riza wagon screams "SCUM WATCHING TOWNIES FIGHT".

More to come as I do some re-reads of parts / make some notes.

@Everyone:

Nows your chance to direct me to something you feel is important so as to bias my reading of the game!

[TheButtonmen]

Also, this is

your

TheButtonmens next avatar.

Fixed.

[My Milked Eek]

Also, this is

your

TheButtonmens next avatar.

Fixed.

Do it now.

[TheButtonmen]

@Pom:

Happy B.Day

@MME:

But Riker, Picard and Worf with quizical expressions and cunning hats! How can I just skip them?

@RFrost:

Why did you want SK (the lurker) lynched over Nik (the active lurker)?

Gayle:

While there are times to vote people other then your top suspect, they are usually closer to deadline / when it's clear you can't get #1 suspect lynched. Why do you feel that your vote is better used on someone other then your #1 suspect at the moment?

@Everyone:

Some random thoughts that struck me, I'm throwing out there, feel free to chime in about them;

A) Anyone here know a way to get the view posts by a certain person working? (By that I mean the profile one, not the in thread ISO)

B) The D1 case against plum seems to be based largely on an inverse appeal to experiance / authority (aka The IC isn't scum hunting as much as we expect). Did I miss anything in the case there or was the lack of expected scum hunting the main factor at that time.

C) This game has had it's fair share of replacments, do you think thats good / bad / null for town?

D) Am I crazy for expecting that the person I'm replacing to have some kind of notes / ideas they could PM me?

More content later, need to go fall down, go comatose, hallucinate vividly for a few hours then suffer amnesia about the whole experiance.

[Gayle]

A) The search is disabled, so you can't.
B) It isn't that

Plum

Pom hasn't been scum hunting "as much as we expect", it is that she hasn't been scum hunting

at all

.
C) This question is a either a waste of time or scummy.
D) That would be against the rules, sir!

Voting RayFrost 'cause I wanna vote RayFrost.

Changed my mind about Pom just now. Placing bets on RayFrost+[MME or Nikanor]. All or nothing. Hope to make millions.

@MME

: You suspect Pom, Nikanor, and SaintKerrigan, correct? Currently, who do you think is the best lynch, and why? What do you think about RayFrost?

@Button

: Who is your top suspect and why?


Happy Birthday, Pom. I was surprised by how young you are. I've obtained this actual photo of Pom. If you are wondering about that cup, my sources tell me it is Crown Royal Whiskey. Pom doesn't always let it on, but she is pretty hardcore.

[RayFrost]

@RFrost:

Why did you want SK (the lurker) lynched over Nik (the active lurker)?

I didn't have a particular preference. I voted SK because he popped into mind first.

Have I unvoted yet?

Just to make sure...

unvote

not going to vote nikanor until I check a VC on his vote count.

Don't want to repeat certain... errors.

[chauchaudotcom]

@Chau:

If Pom flips town, where do your suspicions go? If she flips scum, do you believe Nikanor is most likely to be her scum buddy? What was your opinion of Hetemens?

I haven't looked into possible scum buddies yet to be honest. I tend to concentrate on finding one first before looking for a buddy.

I didn't really pay much attention to him d1 since he disappeared for quite some time. But reading back his posts actually give me a bad vibe. Overall I felt like he was jumping around quite a bit. The fact that he completely ignored the fact that two people were trying to bandwagon him was rather interesting but what got me was his vote on pom. Not only was it poorly reasoned but he had even stated that Frost seemed more scummy yet he voted for Pom. It was just an odd vote overall and it seemed as if he did it only because he was being questioned about it.

The problem is Het was only there for like...what, three days? So as for how reliable the analysis is I'm still deciding.

MME - What's your case on Nika?

POM - you said this to Gayle earlier:

Yes, I think you are scum. There is obviously a gut aspect. There's also a logic aspect. I can't explain why my gut is making me go all twitchy. I will explain my logic later.

Well, you ignored the corpse until you decided it was scummy that I ignored it.

Then you changed to...

Notice that I am not voting you. I find you about neutral right about now, possibly even town. All my reads got mixed up after Riza's flip, and I'm still trying to sort them out. I know that there are scum here somewhere.

Care to explain your change from "I have a logical case on you" to "Oh I have no read on you and you might even be town!"?

[Pomegranate]

Weekly V/LA

.

[TheButtonmen]

Blah, blah,blah

D) That would be against the rules, sir!

blah,blah, blah

@Button

: Who is your top suspect and why?

Really?! That's a weird rule. Also in a crazy twist, my top suspect is who I'm voting, Nik is what I hate most

Dutch

an active lurker, he is going out of his way to avoid saying anything and when he actually bothers to post some shred of content its never really anything definate that we could hold him too. An example would be his entry onto the Riza wagon, he posted multiple times clearly saying he was on because he trusted someone else's case sight unseen. In the time he spent making ti clear he hadn't read the case, he could have read it twice, found some reasons to support it and used those to hop on the wagon. Basically I distrust the amount of effort he's putting into not saying anything that could be used agianst him.

[TheButtonmen]

@RFrost:

Why did you want SK (the lurker) lynched over Nik (the active lurker)?

I didn't have a particular preference. I voted SK because he popped into mind first.

I'd be fine with a lynch of either saintkerrigan (slightly preferred) or nikanor.

Forgive my confusion but in your last post you said you slightly prefered a SK lynch rather then a Nik lynch no? Thus it would seem to me you do have a particular prefrence, that or I'm reading too much into your wording.

[Pomegranate]

@Pom: Am I the only one you have suspicions of? What do you think of the Riza Wagon?

Who is your top suspect and why?

...Are you ignoring this question on purpose? Maybe the question is too boring, let's try to liven it up a bit.

Nikanor. I said that I would vote him if he didn't provide the content hhe promised. He should have had it yesterday, but he said that he needed unyil Friday. I will not be on MS later today. Therefore,

Vote: Nikanor

.

I was also suspicious of SK, but I will give TBM some time.

I am also suspicious of RF.