Last Will Mafia (Over)

[RayFrost]

votes are elections, CMAR, neto.

you vote who you want to become double voter

vote: LlamaFluff

obv the best choice as double voter.

[RayFrost]

Vote: Socrates
Elect: Yos

It worked in WoMH, why wouldnt it work now?

votes are elections, CMAR, neto.

you vote who you want to become double voter

vote: LlamaFluff

obv the best choice as double voter.

[RayFrost]

Geez, am I the only one to read the rules on elections?

curse you ignorant voters.

vote: gayle

i have faith in gayle-town

[RayFrost]

socrates

[RayFrost]

[05] It is not required, but you may update your list at any time you are alive

You can update your lists now, guys.

[RayFrost]

Less voting Yosarian2 for being smart and more voting tatetothetot for being town please.

ZEE! Glad to see you stopped that annoying posting style of making everything you type blue! (not that you have a choice here )

Srsly, tho, how is tate town?

how is giving (hypothetically stupid relatively) town a double vote superior to giving intelligent potential-town a double vote?

[RayFrost]

Don't give it to me. I fail.

[RayFrost]

Don't give it to me. I fail.

You'd prefer the double vote to be in the hand of a random other person instead of you, given that you know you are aligned with yourself?

This is interesting. What'd be your pick?

gayle

[RayFrost]

Don't give it to me. I fail.

You will not fail if you are town.

I can be town and still fail. (a la bad scumhunting skillz, giving teh two votes to scum when I die, etc)

Besides, I'm not made for being a double voter.

The power would be way too much pressure ~.~

[RayFrost]

Rayfrost. Seems town to me. I get good vibes from his posts so far; especally his "Gayle is town" post and his "Don't give it to me I fail" posts just give me warm fuzzies.

Is also a skilled player.

yos, your only experience with me is that game where we were scum buddies. ~.~

You saying I'm skilled

as mafia

seems to go against the desire to give me a double vote here.

care to explain?

[RayFrost]

vote: hp [leaves]

for using dice.

This ^^

Vote hp [leaves]

Howvery strange, if i were to do that i would justify.
To me though it is a town tell for going truley random (to our knowledge anyway)

Vote: hp [leaves]

so... you vote to give him the double vote because he used dice?

amazing logic.[/sarcasm]

[RayFrost]

Howvery strange, if i were to do that i would justify.
To me though it is a

town tell for going truley random (to our knowledge anyway)

Vote: hp [leaves]

[RayFrost]

Meh. There aren't many people who are skilled as scum and terrible as town. You generally seem like a logical, reasonable player.

Actually, part of the reason I do tend to think your townish is your playstyle here seems different from that scum playstyle.

I should mention that, of course, none of my reads are based on that much yet, and are subject to change.

i'm not.


cool beans.

cool beans.

[RayFrost]

Reasons To [i

NOT[/i] Elect RayFrost]

I am 15, not 16.

He has 15 years of mafia experience.

My reasons are...

fugitive is scum.

I'm confident.

That is all.

His scum hunting is truly ground breaking.

So far, I've caused...

1, 2... ~5

newbies

mafia scumbags to quit.

He can intimidate scum into rage quitting the game.

My play had me as obv scum the entire game.

And we don't have to worry about him being mafia, because if he is it'll be obvious.

In short, I believe RayFrost will beat on scum like masked japanese school girls beat on fat kids: Over and over again.

fixed.

[RayFrost]

Wait...you think voting randomaly with dice is a town tell? Why, Archon ?

I'm accosiating it with a small town tell as it's becuase it was randomly selected and it sort of shows that this person donse'nt know who anyone else is.

And yes i know we're voting to give someone a double vote.

...

or it just shows they aren't paying attention and are using random die in order to get a vote out that they have no attachment to and can't be attacked about

[RayFrost]

First off, I laughed so hard at the ergo. Lets not take this conversation to high, we won't the

kiddies

to keep up [/sarcasm]

Neutral is an acceptable status which is were I have Yos.

His first post was all about voting from a Last Will standpoint. We are dealing with the double voter right now and I don't see any strategy coming from that post about electing the double voter (although I probably would advocate that as town play either)

I have never played with Yos so using his meta is void on me.

Daykill: tatetothetot

DIAF, ageist.

[RayFrost]

My day kill wasn't serious, guys.

I was just annoyed by tate's ageism ~.~

srsly, though...

I don't want to be elected.

STOP ELECTING ME. CEASE AND DESIST.

I'm serious about this. I am not joking. I

do not

want to be elected.

The blow out between neto and gayle is ridiculous and annoying.

You both disagree with each other about Yos2, that's well and grand. But do you need to have a multi-page argument about it?

[RayFrost]

After tate's voters switch to me, would you be kind enough to then switch to gayle?

I

really

don't want this double voting power.

1. cuz I'll probably do very poorly with it

2. cuz I'll probably do very poorly with it

3. I'll PROBABLY SCREW UP WITH IT.

That clear enough reasons to vote not-me?

seriously.

[RayFrost]

Hell, I'd prefer even crymeariver to get the double vote, and I have very little confidence in his ability as town.

[RayFrost]

Dirt meaning some people have a bad feeling about voting for him where as no one has a bad feeling about voting Rayfrost (except Rayfrost).

Listen to me Ray, I want you to think about this for a second. Being a double voter does not mean that we entrust you with a huge responsibility, only that we consider you town and town is who we want to have an extra vote. You can not fail any more with this then with your own vote.

Yeah, and it means that I decide who the triple voter is, since I'm most likely to die.

~.~

Thanks for helping my confidence in this.

[RayFrost]

*shrugs* Ray's "DON'T VOTE FOR ME" could also be the classic Perot maneuver - most people feel that people who want to be elected shouldn't, and will therefore vote for someone who asks to not be voted for.

And the "dirt" you mention is only a barely cognizable and ephemeral distrust from you and Gayle, hardly enough for us to base a decision on.

Perot?

wut?

Also, I seriously don't want to be voted for. I'm not trying to convince you to vote elsewhere. I

really

don't like the idea of being elected as any kind of thing whatsoever.

I'm against being elected. At all. At any point in time.

[RayFrost]

Impeach RayFrost

Oh wait, that's a bit premature.

Unvote RF, Vote Orto

thank you, annachie. have a cookie. ~.~

[RayFrost]

Then I should be imploring that you guys elect me for you guys to not do so?

[RayFrost]

Okay.

I command all of you to elect me, for I am obviously the person that you all consider to be obv town.

You should obviously give somebody you think is town the vote, therefore, giving me the double vote is absolutely optimal play here.

Elect me, and I shall lead you all to victory!

[RayFrost]

Only problem is, you're now doing it because you don't want people to elect you. To win the game, you need to be 1 step ahead of what everybody's thinking, which is reverting back to telling them not to vote for you. But since I said that, you need to tell them to vote for you to deal with the effects of this statement. Of course, I just said that too. Welcome to WIFOM.

srsly, though...

Can we just like... not elect me?

If you guys trust me as town so much, then elect gayle.

I have a town-read on gayle, you guys have a town-read on me.

So you should elect who I think is most likely town because I'll just self-destruct if I get the double voter position.

[RayFrost]

Does anybody disagree with my reasoning for going for a gayle election here?

[RayFrost]

Why can't we just pick a solid town person who everyone likes as town instead of the person who seems to be the most logical?

...what.

...translation...

'why can't we pick a town read over somebody that may not be town despite being an awesome player?'

[RayFrost]

Yeah, but my reaction was pretty much expected.

Yeh, more asking about everybody trying to elect me.

btw, if need be, I will switch my vote to yos2 to get him elected if it is between me and him.

[RayFrost]

But they say that they don't suspect him! That's what Gayle spent the last 3 pages explaining!

but they don't have a town read either, do they?

[RayFrost]

Not suspected = town read, IMHO. Also, they haven't produced anything that leads to a town read elsewhere.

... except me, obv.

also, not suspected = neutral read or town read, not just town read.

I don't suspect my neutral reads, but I don't have evidence to say they are town either.

so yeh.

[RayFrost]

Oookay. Now we're getting somewhere. However, now you need to explain the pro-town read on Rayfrost.

... it's obv because I don't want to be elected.

which is terrible reasoning.

[RayFrost]

[sarcasm]

Given how often I get lynched, I'll vote for someone who is not likely to vote for me

[/sarcasm]

I wonder if that sort of thinking is affecting the votes.

I'm arguably the most erratic player in this game.

I'm most likely to vote/suspect any single player in this game at least one time ~.~

[RayFrost]

Rayfrost play is straight forward which is my main reason that he seems townie to me. But why I think Ray is town atm is not as important as to if anyone doesn't think he is town.

Citation needed.

[RayFrost]

Rayfrost play is straight forward which is my main reason that he seems townie to me. But why I think Ray is town atm is not as important as to if anyone doesn't think he is town.

Citation needed.

You want me to quote times where I think you have been pro-town, or straight forward? Well, this is a straight forward post I just quoted. You want proof as to why I think you are town.

~.~

Your 'evidence' for finding me town is more pathetic than my lack of confidence.

[RayFrost]

Then the game dies in awe that I'm aware of how pathetic my lack of confidence is.

Awesome.

[RayFrost]

Still here, just nothing to add. You should be encouraged, though, by the amount of support you have from the other players. I mean, you'd be my second choice too, which isn't bad at all in a game of this size.

Then you should give your own reasoning for why you think I'm town... after everybody trying to get me elected does so. (I say after so they don't latch onto your own reasoning)

[RayFrost]

ITT, tate is defeated and runs with his tail between his legs to avoid having to back up his stance.

[RayFrost]

sarnath'd by neto

[RayFrost]

Yosarian will, on March 25, have 5 years of experience on this site alone, compared to RayFrost's 1. He has likely played in more games on this site than just about anybody else. His gameplay is, generally, impeccable. RayFrost is getting there, but like me, he only joined this Fall. I'm guessing that RayFrost feels much like me in that he feels that he needs more time and experience. I think it's a good reason to choose Yosarian here.

Who is the 'he' in the second sentence?

It can't possibly be Yos. Last I checked, yos has like... 10-20 games finished... I have nearly 30. ~.~

[RayFrost]

Also, I don't feel that experience is a viable reason to give somebody a double vote.

It's like policy lynching somebody on D1.

Except it's policy electing somebody on D1.

[RayFrost]

The daykill wasn't faked to get reactions.

It was faked but done cuz I dislied tate's comment.

[RayFrost]

@Ray,

With all the people voting you tells me that just want you dead. If you are elected just make sure to update your list!

huh?

makes no sense.

explain pl0x

[RayFrost]

Still here, just nothing to add. You should be encouraged, though, by the amount of support you have from the other players. I mean, you'd be my second choice too, which isn't bad at all in a game of this size.

[RayFrost]

above post by neto was towards me

[RayFrost]

Vi does joke daykills all the time.

srsly.

[RayFrost]

I'm obviously far more gangstah than Yos.

Do you really want somebody like that as your mayor?

[RayFrost]

Yos, you haven't really said anything to make me a superior election choice, so yeh.

And, let's be honest here, you are a better choice than I am.

[RayFrost]

Yos, you haven't really said anything to make me a superior election choice, so yeh.

And, let's be honest here, you are a better choice than I am.

Meh. You're looking town here. Plus the amount of paranoia in this game towards me already is going to make it hard for me to use the double vote to scumhunt and pressure scum properly; you'd probably be able to use it better then me here because of that.

I mean, I'd rather see me become mayor then see it go to one of the people I suspect, but I'm pretty sure you're town here.

I'm confused by your last statement.

Do you mean 'if it's between me or somebody I suspect, I'll obviously choose myself, but I think you are town, so I see no problem with you being elected' or something else?

[RayFrost]

strongest town read is tied between socrates (:goodposter:) and gayle (gut feelings)

[RayFrost]

lol @ everybody in this game referencing gayle as 'she/her'

[RayFrost]

He's a

law student

, not a lawyer... yet.

[RayFrost]

unvote, vote: yos2