Last Will Mafia (Over)

[LlamaFluff]

Election Count

Yosarian2 (8) - dramonic, Netopalis, pwnman, Netlava, The1fifi, Dr Pepper, animorpherv1, TheLonging
RayFrost (5) - Gayle, Elscouta, ortolan, Yosarian2, tatetothetot
tatetothetot (2) - ZEEnon, hp [leaves]
hp [leaves] (2) - raider8169, Archon Kamigawa
ortolan (1) - DocPotter
Gayle (1) - RayFrost

Not Voting (5) - vikingfan, Socrates, Bogre, danakillsu, CryMeARiver

[Netopalis]

Why can't we just pick a solid town person who everyone likes as town instead of the person who seems to be the most logical?

...what.

[RayFrost]

Does anybody disagree with my reasoning for going for a gayle election here?

[Netopalis]

Yeah, but my reaction was pretty much expected.

[RayFrost]

Why can't we just pick a solid town person who everyone likes as town instead of the person who seems to be the most logical?

...what.

...translation...

'why can't we pick a town read over somebody that may not be town despite being an awesome player?'

[Netopalis]

But they say that they don't suspect him! That's what Gayle spent the last 3 pages explaining!

[RayFrost]

Yeah, but my reaction was pretty much expected.

Yeh, more asking about everybody trying to elect me.

btw, if need be, I will switch my vote to yos2 to get him elected if it is between me and him.

[RayFrost]

But they say that they don't suspect him! That's what Gayle spent the last 3 pages explaining!

but they don't have a town read either, do they?

[Netopalis]

Not suspected = town read, IMHO. Also, they haven't produced anything that leads to a town read elsewhere.

[tatetothetot]

Why can't we just pick a solid town person who everyone likes as town instead of the person who seems to be the most logical?

...what.

...translation...

'why can't we pick a town read over somebody that may not be town despite being an awesome player?'

^This

I have a neutral read on Yos but a town read on Rayfrost.

[RayFrost]

Not suspected = town read, IMHO. Also, they haven't produced anything that leads to a town read elsewhere.

... except me, obv.

also, not suspected = neutral read or town read, not just town read.

I don't suspect my neutral reads, but I don't have evidence to say they are town either.

so yeh.

[Netopalis]

Oookay. Now we're getting somewhere. However, now you need to explain the pro-town read on Rayfrost.

[Netopalis]

Meh, I guess with me, I always put everybody into town first of all. Minor screwups put them in null, major ones put them in scum. But, I have a really odd style of play that's not widely recognized, so whatever.

[RayFrost]

Oookay. Now we're getting somewhere. However, now you need to explain the pro-town read on Rayfrost.

... it's obv because I don't want to be elected.

which is terrible reasoning.

[tatetothetot]

Oookay. Now we're getting somewhere. However, now you need to explain the pro-town read on Rayfrost.

Your kidding me. This whole time you never understood that we simply had only neutral reads on Yos? Yeah I didn't like one of his posts but that doesn't mean I am accusing him of being scum, especially this early in the game.

Rayfrost play is straight forward which is my main reason that he seems townie to me. But why I think Ray is town atm is not as important as to if anyone doesn't think he is town.

[tatetothetot]

Oookay. Now we're getting somewhere. However, now you need to explain the pro-town read on Rayfrost.

... it's obv because I don't want to be elected.

which is terrible reasoning.

What? Who ever said you were town for not wanting to get a double vote? That would be fail and probably earn an FoS for being lazy.

[DocPotter]

[sarcasm]

Given how often I get lynched, I'll vote for someone who is not likely to vote for me

[/sarcasm]

I wonder if that sort of thinking is affecting the votes.

[Netopalis]

His play is straight-forward? If that's why you're voting for him you should also respect his request not to have the vote. Additionally, Yosarian was attacked for his opening strategic post. To me, that embodies the spirit of straightforwardness. And yes, I didn't really get exactly what you were saying because, well, nobody really said that. You and Gayle couched it in terms of him being "creepy" and there being too much "dirt" on Yosarian, both terms which make me think that you have a reason to suspect him.

[RayFrost]

[sarcasm]

Given how often I get lynched, I'll vote for someone who is not likely to vote for me

[/sarcasm]

I wonder if that sort of thinking is affecting the votes.

I'm arguably the most erratic player in this game.

I'm most likely to vote/suspect any single player in this game at least one time ~.~

[Netopalis]

[sarcasm]

Given how often I get lynched, I'll vote for someone who is not likely to vote for me

[/sarcasm]

I wonder if that sort of thinking is affecting the votes.

Plausible, but wouldn't it implicate people as scum as well?

[RayFrost]

Rayfrost play is straight forward which is my main reason that he seems townie to me. But why I think Ray is town atm is not as important as to if anyone doesn't think he is town.

Citation needed.

[tatetothetot]

His play is straight-forward? If that's why you're voting for him you should also respect his request not to have the vote. Additionally, Yosarian was attacked for his opening strategic post. To me, that embodies the spirit of straightforwardness. And yes, I didn't really get exactly what you were saying because, well, nobody really said that. You and Gayle couched it in terms of him being "creepy" and there being too much "dirt" on Yosarian, both terms which make me think that you have a reason to suspect him.

I never said the word "creepy" and I have said several times that I don't consider Yos scum and have him neutral.

Yos play was not straight forward. Everything about his opening post seemed rehearsed as if he was trying to say what comes off as a good leader type. Right off it seemed to me that he was aiming for the double vote. Sure enough, he practically has it.

[Netopalis]

RayFrost: Let me see if you'd agree with this statement:

RayFrost has a play somewhat similar to what I'd call the spiral method of scumhunting. He starts throwing suspicions around, slowly getting closer to the scum until he finally gets there. It takes a while, but it works. However, having too many votes makes this method weaker, since it means that he needs to think more seriously before casting each vote, as each vote may put someone much closer to lynch than it normally would.

[tatetothetot]

Rayfrost play is straight forward which is my main reason that he seems townie to me. But why I think Ray is town atm is not as important as to if anyone doesn't think he is town.

Citation needed.

You want me to quote times where I think you have been pro-town, or straight forward? Well, this is a straight forward post I just quoted. You want proof as to why I think you are town.

[Netopalis]

"Creepy" was Gayle's term. And what about that is not straight-forward?