Mini 914 ~ Mafia Reverberation (Game Over!)

[Nikanor]

Okay, parting words, since I assume I'm out again as soon as nacho gets back from V/LA:
Rhinox is scum. If he's not lynched today I will cry.

Have fun guys!

[Jahudo]

I never supported a massclaim.

I never said you supported it, just that you suggested an idea.

SC 394 doesn't really drop the idea of a massclaim.

He said he was probably against it, which didn't sound like opportunism after seeing other people continue talking about the idea.

As far as I can tell, a massclaim doesn't help a hypothetical reporter very much. It would just guide them in using an investigative ability, if they have one.

According to the role PM, one way of checking a role of their hypothetical list is by mod confirmation. So a flip. Your suggestion sounds like the best strategy for a theoretical reporter:

There are several people who I'm pretty confident are not scum, and I feel that setting ourselves up to purge all but a handful of townies would force the scum to scramble to avoid having all their members purged.

But I'm done talking about 3rd parties for now, in case my focusing on SC is allowing a real lyncher/reporter/etc some more breathing room.
I think Rhinox and SC could be scum. The mafia types.

Also, is VP scum?

His scumhunting of SC looks genuine. But I'm starting to wonder why he's so open to the Rhinox wagon?
VP?

[Jahudo]

@Rhinox

My vote is on porkens, so that is your answer. Overall, I don't like porkens' apathy and willingness to lynch anybody without really giving reasons.

This reasoning doesn't meld with your original suspicions on Porkens. I feel your just taking words at face value and not actually SCUM HUNTING him. Originally you thought Porkens was trying to hide behind the newbcard. Now you say he's apathetic and trying to get anyone purged. He can't be both overly cautious scum and overly risky scum. What do you think of his responses to criticism on him?

nikanor is an improvement over nacho in terms of activity, and

at least seems to be scum hunting

. What I don't like is his appeal to his scum hunting history in order to support his cases, i.e. "I've only ever called people scum like this 4 other times and they were scum then so they're scum now".

If his cases were strong, he wouldn't need his scum hunting history to support them.

Can you elaborate on the bolded parts? You're not okay with him making guesses based on his history of being right, but you like the hunting he does based on those guesses? Does the history poison his scumhunting or not?

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@Jazzmyn

I'll have lots of time on the weekend again. That's just the way it is here sometimes, given the nature of my work; I don't have a lot of control over it.

It's been the weekend. Have you caught up on the game?
Has zoraster's continued absence (excused or not) affected your "neutral read" on him?

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@VP Baltar

Anyway, I'd be happy doublepurging Jazzmyn and Rhinox now.

C'mon now, work with me here. One of those and SC or if I'm absolutely not going to get that, zoraster (though I don't think his lurking means anything any more). The point of two purges is that we can make everybody happy!

Are you feeling anything more on Jazzmyn since your Post 167?
Or was that post all about compromise to get SC purged?
Is it that you could find Jazzmyn or Rhinox more likely scum, or zoraster more likely town?

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@Mighty Orbots

This kinda sucks. Zoraster + (Porkens/Jazzmyn) FTW.

Do you have any reason to think Porkens or Jazzmyn are scum, or are you just compromising to get zoraster purged?

[VP Baltar]

Are you feeling anything more on Jazzmyn since your Post 167?
Or was that post all about compromise to get SC purged?
Is it that you could find Jazzmyn or Rhinox more likely scum, or zoraster more likely town?

I liked Jazz's mega posts and found myself agree at times (though some of those times were because she was regurgitating my own or others' points), but since then she's done next to nothing...so it's hard to get a consistent feel either way. I'd put her in the category with MO of players who show up when attention seems to be garnered or they are asked a direct question. After that they happily slip into the background.

In terms of Rhinox, I find him hard to read. I think people have raised some ok points about him, but I feel like he's akin to me in that we naturally come across scummy at times regardless of alignment.

My previous post was mostly about reaching a compromise to get SC purged because he is my strongest read today, and I view Rhinox or Jazz as persons who I wouldn't mind seeing purged. I don't have the strongest reads on them, but they certainly aren't in my town category. If I got to choose both of the purges today, I'd probably pick SC and MO.

zoraster is completely null for me anymore. Too much time has passed and I really wish that slot would be replaced.

[Vi]

The pillar in the center of the room had now expanded to cover a little less than half of the great hall. A few of the cultists were starting to shake visibly as they felt the pulsing, maleficent energy seem to radiate a pressure that only strengthened the resolve to draw the Luxomen purge somewhere, anywhere else. Dying in service to the cult was a good thing, but only if the cult survived... and dying would get in the way of that...

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Incantation:

:arrow:

SerialClergyman (P-2)

~

VP Baltar

,

Jazzmyn

,

Sotty7

:arrow:

Rhinox (P-2)

~

Porkens

,

Nikanor

,

Herodotus

zoraster (P-3)

~ Mighty Orbots,

Jahudo

Porkens (P-4)

~

Rhinox

Sotty7 (P-4)

~

-INCANT-

Mighty Orbots (P-4) ~

zoraster

Jahudo (P-4)

~

SerialClergyman

Nikanor (P-4)

~

SpyreX

-Jazzmyn has put in emergency V/LA.

-Replacing zoraster. Please hold...

--At Intensity ε, it will take

6

5

Incants to Purge...
--The Intensity will increase on Wednesday, February 17, 2010...

[VP Baltar]

Jahudo, do you still want MO purged today?

[Herodotus]

I never supported a massclaim.

I never said you supported it, just that you suggested an idea.

I don't think you read my post very carefully. I wasn't talking about anyone claiming.

According to the role PM, one way of checking a role of their hypothetical list is by mod confirmation. So a flip. Your suggestion sounds like the best strategy for a theoretical reporter:

@MOD: In parsing the phrase "confirmed to exist in the game," do the abilities of (all) dead players count toward the reporter's wincon?

I know, I just said we shouldn't worry about it. But I want to know. It would make the reporter survivor-ish.

Good question. No, the role reveals do not count toward the Reporters' Win Conditions. ~Vi

In fact, a masspurge wouldn't help a reporter, other than the possibility that the scum might go all out in using abilities to keep themselves alive.

[Jahudo]

Okay, I did misread masspurge as massclaim. Still I think today we should only do a massage of two people. Um, I mean a massachusetts of two people.

Jahudo, do you still want MO purged today?

The original point against them didn't seem bad in isolation, but after a re-read I am in favor of a MO purge today.

He has been holding back opinions until other town weighs in. If this happens once or twice on an issue that the asking player is neutral/undecided, that isn't scummy. But MO is consistently trying to get player reads from other people while simultaneously withholding his own reads.

Happy birthday SpyreX. WTF did you just do? And why did you do it to Sotty7?

This was the first one I noticed, and originally compared it to a Sotty quote and a VP quote. The difference was that MO kept asking it and didn't make a comment until pressed to do so, and much later on.

Jazz, who's scum?

At this point they hadn't suspected anyone for anything except zoraster, for not posting. And even then they didn't call it lurking.

@VP, while apparently I have caught your attention - SerialClergyman is scum y/n?

At this point they had not made any comment on SC, so it could be another instance of them gauging interest in a possible wagon without picking a side yet. Also in their previous post they fence-leaned on Sotty, and an opinion on her defense could have also been an opinion on SC's offense. But what they said about Sotty had no impact on a possible SC read.

I think this is a very good day 1 tell, and strong enough on its own for me to incant them now. They were called out for this by zoraster, and their response looked overly defensive: Post 174.

So, um, lawl.

1. I guess it's also a coincidence that you're attacking the one who started your wagon.
2. I also guess we were supposed to ignore the questions people were asking us about how the hydra was going to work.
3. I also also guess I'm not taking a stand on anyone by advocating for your wagon.

1 looks like trying to downgrade zoraster's actual reasons to an OMGUS.
2 I agree with MO. 3 sounds like they're trying to prove their own towniness by bringing the debate to their pro-towniness. I don't feel good about a townie being concerned with them being town.

I'd prefer an MO and Rhinox purge at this moment.

Incant: Mighty Orbots

[VP Baltar]

Incant: Mighty Orbots

whatcha think 'bout that?

[Sotty7]

Jahudo makes some good points about MO and I really hated how he was pushing my wagon without actually committing to it as the day went on. He made a lot of invalid attacks on me that I address in Post 239

whatcha think 'bout that?

I'd actually like to know what you think about that.

[VP Baltar]

I'd actually like to know what you think about that.

Well, I think my vote is clear.

Also, from post 403:

If I got to choose both of the purges today, I'd probably pick SC and MO.

I don't like the massive lurk from their hydra and basically not committing to much of anything when they do rarely post.

[SpyreX]

@Mod: Is the current VC right? I haven't voted for Jazz...ever?

With so many tags in these vote counts, I was bound to mess up somewhere... Fixed with apologies. ~Vi

Incantum Shenanigans: MO

"But SpyreX you said he was town waaa"

Yea, but I do agree with VP after a reread about the lack of committal. Further, IF MO is scum then I'd be reallly surprised if zor was scum.

[VP Baltar]

I-1 for reference.

[SpyreX]

l-1?

Damnation. I need to go back to POWERFUL WIZARD COUNTING SCHOOL.

So, rhinox is at P-2
SC is at P-3
Zor is at P-4

Incantum Placeholder: SpyreX

Notice that I could have put 3 in the running and chose not to. Despite how much I want to eat the brains of 3 lynches.

[VP Baltar]

mmm, brains.

So you'd like MO and Rhinox today, Spy?

[SpyreX]

Personally?

I'd like Rhinox and Jazz if we're too awesome for more than 2.

I can DEAL with MO / Rhinox because of the aformentioned read on Zor on top of all the other stuff.

[Jahudo]

I'm okay with everything said above. It makes sense MO would stay under our radars since it looks like he wasn't committing to anything that would open up questioning.

I can't think of any questions for MO right now, but I think it will be informative to see a couple more MO posts before we start asking for claims.

@Spyrex, do you think anything of Jazzmyn's reported V/LA? I think it explains her most recent bags of nothing, like part of zoraster and nacho's absence.

[SpyreX]

Not having search makes me a little hesitant but the whole "WALLS O TEXT" after getting called out turing back into "WALLS O NOTHING" doesn't make me happy.

If I could puppy dog eyes you guys into three lynches that would be it.

[Porkens]

unofficial votecount

Mighty Orbots (P-2) ~ zoraster, Jahudo, VP Baltar
Rhinox (P-2) ~ Porkens, Nikanor, Herodotus

SerialClergyman (P-3) ~ Jazzmyn, Sotty7

zoraster (P-4) ~ Mighty Orbots
Porkens (P-4) ~ Rhinox
Sotty7 (P-4) ~ -INCANT-
Jahudo (P-4) ~ SerialClergyman
SpyreX (Purged, day 1) ~ SpyreX

[Nachomamma8]

I'll have a post up tomorrow, I promise. Been catching up with school today, so not a whole time to do a whole lot of reading. I do agree with Nik's parting words, though.

[Porkens]

Spyrex, vote for SC, just to make it good.

[Vi]

Incantation:

:arrow: Mighty Orbots (P-2) ~

zoraster

,

Jahudo

,

VP Baltar

,

SpyreX

:arrow:

Rhinox (P-2)

~

Porkens

,

Nachomamma8 (Nikanor)

,

Herodotus

SerialClergyman (P-3)

~

VP Baltar

,

Jazzmyn

,

Sotty7

zoraster (P-4)

~ Mighty Orbots,

Jahudo

Porkens (P-4)

~

Rhinox

Sotty7 (P-4)

~

-INCANT-

Jahudo (P-4)

~

SerialClergyman

SpyreX (P-4)

~

SpyreX

Nachomamma8 (Nikanor) (P-5)

~

SpyreX

-Nachomamma8 replaces Nikanor...

--At Intensity ε, it will take 5 Incants to Purge...
--The Intensity will increase on Wednesday, February 17, 2010...

[SerialClergyman]

Spyrex, I'll switch to one of the leads if you'd like to switch to the other.

VP, you stopped suspecting me yet?

[SpyreX]

I dig your style SC.

I think you know what you need to do.

Incantum Doombuckets: Rhinox

[SerialClergyman]

incant Mighty Orbots

Your wish is my command, style-digger that ye are.