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Post Post #225 (ISO) » Mon Feb 15, 2010 6:37 am

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Day 2, Page 10 Vote Count:

kyle99 (3):
Kmd4390, vikingfan, jbernier93
Kmd4390 (1):
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Lastsurvivor (1):
charter
No Lynch (0):

Not voting (4):
Haschel Cedricson, Lastsurvivor, My Milked Eek, horrordude0215


With
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alive, it takes
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to lynch, or
5
to choose not to lynch.
Deadline is 5:00 AM UTC, Saturday, March 6.
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Post Post #226 (ISO) » Mon Feb 15, 2010 9:59 am

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It's my birthday today, so I won't be on much. Expect a post either tonight or tomorrow
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Post Post #227 (ISO) » Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:25 pm

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Remember when I said I'd post Sunday night? It turns out it was Valentine's Day on Sunday night, so I was unable to reread that day.
Kmd4390 wrote: ---------Haschel, can you explain why you voted NS?
Sure. There was the scummy play in general that most people commented on, but I explained the switch in post 141. I was absolutely convinced that dana was scum, and NS' post gave me the theory that the two were partners. The more I thought about it, the better the theory seemed. I announced that I was fine lynching either, and as soon as NS had more votes than dana I switched. If the town hadn't voted NS past dana, I would have stayed on dana.
kmd, in regards to kyle wrote:-Votes NS next post with "No worries"
--------Sounds like he had a feeling the vote would implicate him.
-"No one should hammer without a claim"
--------Stating the obvious. Filler.
I don't see these two things being suspicious on their own, but put together they seem a bit incongruous with each other. If you don't want him being hammered before he claims, the logical thing to do would be to unvote until he claims; there's little reason to make it easier for other players to do something you don't want them to do. I suppose it could be some sort of "trap" to see if people vote him before he claims, but I don't see that being particularly useful and at any rate I don't get the feeling that that's what kyle was doing.
LS wrote:Lovely. Two killing roles.
This reaction doesn't sit well with me. Part of this is the fact that it ignores the hider, although he comments on this in his next post. Another part is that I get the feeling that LS believes that the fact that there are two killing roles is detrimental to his side, which if he is town discounts the possibility of a vig that kyle pointed out.
jbernier wrote: So I know My Milked Eek is very busy and such, but does anyone else get major scumvibes from him? Or is that just me?
I don't see anything particularly damning, so it's just you. What specifically do you have in mind?
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Post Post #228 (ISO) » Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:47 am

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Haschel, I wouldn't call that a "trap", but I do see your point.
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Post Post #229 (ISO) » Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:59 am

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I'm not totally sure what you mean here Hasch. I figured it was a vig (until I realized that there was a Hider), but I just used that phrasing so people wouldn't be like "Omg there could be a SK or something!!!!"
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Post Post #230 (ISO) » Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:00 am

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I'm on vacation for the next week and don't know how much time I'll be able to get on.
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Post Post #231 (ISO) » Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:38 am

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Seeking a replacement for horrordude0215.

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Post Post #232 (ISO) » Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:38 am

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charter wrote:
@Everyone, what is your opinion on Lastsurvivor? Town or scum? If it's town, please explain what he's done to give you that impression.
Still wondering why more people aren't voting him right now.
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Post Post #233 (ISO) » Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:14 pm

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Posting tomorrow during my class~

@charter: will do so tomorrow
@jbernier: where did you get that read? or is this some silly lurking thing?
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Post Post #234 (ISO) » Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:43 pm

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Charter, I can see him as scum, but I'm not very confident in that right now.
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Post Post #235 (ISO) » Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:10 pm

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I could definatly see LastSurvivor being scum, he seems to be more interested in flaming people and self preservation than lynching scum. I'll
unvote, vote: lastsurvivor
for now. Interested to hear from him on who his suspects are.
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Post Post #236 (ISO) » Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:39 pm

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Haschel, I wouldn't call that a "trap", but I do see your point.
Right, I'm saying it wasn't a trap. I meant that some other hypothetical player might use it as a trap, but kyle didn't give that feeling.

Of course, I suppose you could mean that you wouldn't consider anything about that play "trappish" regardless of the motivation, in which case the above paragraph is redundant.
I'm not totally sure what you mean here Hasch. I figured it was a vig (until I realized that there was a Hider), but I just used that phrasing so people wouldn't be like "Omg there could be a SK or something!!!!"
A vigilante would be an asset for the town, so your phrasing suggested that you DIDN'T figure it was a vig before you realized there was a hider.
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Post Post #237 (ISO) » Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:42 pm

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Basically, I don't think Kyle was trying to make someone hammer and look scummy or anything like that. But I do find it suspicious that he was so comfortable near a lynch, but felt the need to state the obvious about not hammering without a claim.
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Post Post #238 (ISO) » Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:02 pm

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@Kyle: I'm not totally sure I'm flaming anyone, but alright. I'll try to get together something from my notes tomorrow, it's a bit late right now.

@Haschel: Well, I don't like vigilantes at all, but that's probably from me playing Epicmafia and the vig always screwing everything up. I guess they're an asset to the town in a more long-term setting.
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Post Post #239 (ISO) » Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:35 am

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Mod: Cancel the replacement (If possible)


I found out today that I'll have time to myself and I will be able to do this after all. Sorry about the confusion! :oops:
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Post Post #240 (ISO) » Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:21 am

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horrordude0215 wrote:
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I was just about to send your role PM to a replacement, but if you're sure you can continue, then game on.

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Post Post #241 (ISO) » Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:26 am

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I'll do a reread soon... expect my post within the next few hours
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Post Post #242 (ISO) » Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:33 am

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Post Post #243 (ISO) » Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:00 pm

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Still waiting for people to explain why they think LS is town, or why they aren't voting him, or how the universe started.
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Post Post #244 (ISO) » Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:03 pm

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Oops, got caught up in hw. Anyway, I took a look at LS's history...very little substantial material there. However, he was NOT on the NS wagon, which I find interesting since I'm thinking there was at least one scum on it. I have to go now but want to see what people think of that wagon...other than kmd, I've heard basically NO analysis at all of that wagon.
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Post Post #245 (ISO) » Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:55 pm

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Dang, I just went through the vote counts by Herodotus. The amazing thing is, as late as page 4, only one vote was on LS by Nicodemus (who we know now to be town). On page 5, only charter had a vote on him. But by page 6, Dana, Nicodemus, and jbernier are ALL on the bandwagon and it's not long before kyle and Haschel are on it too.

I'm betting one of these last 3 is scum and saw an easy wagon to get on and kill an innocent townie. That wagon just grew way too fast for me to feel like there's not at least ONE scum behind it.

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Post Post #246 (ISO) » Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:58 am

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Viking, I assume you mean NS, not LS.

I agree though. In all of the games I have played/seen, I can only remember one time when on a Day 1 mislynch, you couldn't find a scum on the wagon. That lynch happened on Page 1. That's why that is usually the first place I look for a scum on Day 2 when there is a mislynch Day 1. Day 3 is even better because you can take the 2 lynches, regardless of flips, and put them together to find scum.

Kyle and Jb are good places to look based on the lynch. I outlined why earlier.
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Post Post #247 (ISO) » Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:09 am

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Sorry about lack of activity, sick tuesday and busy on wednesday...
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vote: lastsurvivor
. Charter has opened my eyes to the scumminess of a player who I was basically letting stay off my radar. Yes this is bandwagoning and following doing what another player wants me to without considering their alignment, but LS is hella scummy.
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Post Post #248 (ISO) » Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:16 am

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Charter, what do you think of Kyle and Jb? I named both as likely scum to start the day, and now both have followed your LS vote.
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Post Post #249 (ISO) » Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:20 am

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I'm not suspicious of anyone who voted for NS because of the fact that they voted him. He was scummy and a lynch was merited. I find those (kmd, viking (what a coincidence it's those two)) that are trying to use it as their sole scumhunting to be suspect. There was really good reason to lynch NS, so I'm actually a bit wary about those who didn't vote him knowing he wasn't going to flip scum. It's like they knew he was going to get himself lynched anyway, so they tried to distance their self from a town lynch. Typical scumplay.

Now, they're using this nonsense of 'well soandso voted a townie, he must be scum' to justify a vote today. I didn't see either one of them object to the wagon yesterday, in fact, kmd was even on it. This is kmd doing more of trying to have his cake (vote of NS) and eat it too (vote someone else for voting NS). Viking is doing it as well (by virtue of not objecting to the wagon yesterday) though he at least got here late and to a lesser degree. Scummy.

I'm weary of Kyle, but for reasons entirely unrelated to his vote of NS (I do agree with viking that his fishing was suspicious, but he did retract it a minute later, so I'm giving it a pass) but I also don't like how his play is eerily similar to that mini we were just in together.

Jbernier looks town as hell to me, what does he look to you?

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