Open 201 - Fire & Ice Mafia ~Over~

[DTMaster]

Must I again?

@Case on Gayle
1. In the three pronged attack on Farside/DTM vs Gayle: Gayle only chose to attack me once I drew attention to the whole Mav's issue. While Gayle tunneled heavily on farside, he ignored the DTM equation: which was DTM started the wagon.

I can pull quotes again for this if you would like.

2. In the context of Mav's replacement, Gayle came in and then critiszed us when

CSL announced after he found a replacement and after he decide to granted the extention

When the mav's wagon began rolling, CSL announced that we had a deadline of under a week due to a day of inactivity. Hence my criteria on why Mavs' lynch was much more acceptable then anis/slaxxs/xolef. Reread my case before.

3. The main offensiveness of your case revolves around the fact that farside/DTM are the ones who are attacking you and your lack of stance. The latter is extremely scummier because you refused to take a stance on Mavs/Sand and even after Sand posted: you had nothing to comment. The nothing to comment part bugs me because you addressed that Mav's lack of posts were an issue but his replacement's posts were not worth addressing over.

Hence, tunneling mister.

4. Must I remind you that the ani wagon lynched scum? What's the issue with KMD again?

5. Part of Gheb's case revolves around you actually (see below) which revolves whether or not he can prove to me if KMD claims doctor.


@Gheb
1. He called KMD doctor when he wasn't even claimed. He attacks Pom for attacking KMD for being the said claimed doctor.

a. Unless I am blind, I reread KMD and he did not claim doctor.
b. If KMD claimed doctor, then Gheb forgot to attack, Gayle, Jacob, and Longing (i'm more lenient for Jacob because he posted after Gheb but still, for serious?).

How is this a slip?

If Gheb/KMD are scum together it reads as gambit slip. But this also works if Gheb just is scum however:

a. He is looking for the PRs. The doctor slip means he's actively looking for crumbs, etc. Scum is only interested in that and finding other scum. The townies they dislike they can kill at night.

How is that different from town analysis? Town analysis involves hunting for scum through slips, etc, etc. Breadcryumbs are not a priority and are only analyzed during claims and after NKs have flipped PRs. Then you draw links (ie say who the doctor protected, who the cop investigated, etc).

Now can we go and analyze GHEB for once.

[DTMaster]

Also

Gayle: If you know that KMD claimed doctor and Gheb's post is legitimate: Why is KMD the "claimed doctor" a lynchworthy target. I'm rereading but I don't see how KMD is the doctor thanks for your information.

[Gayle]

I'll respond to the large post in a moment, but kmd outright claimed he was the doctor in bold letters. iso him and search doctor.

[Gayle]

KMD claiming doctor

Not naming any names, but

somebody

hasn't been reading the thread.

Also, searching doctor doesn't work 'cause he said doc. My mistake.

[DTMaster]

Actually found it:

Ok, you know what, guys? I'm gonna end up claiming today with all of the suspicion around me, so might as well do it now instead of stalling and waiting for votes. I'm the doc. Targeted DT last night.

That makes sense now, but wait:

why is the leading wagon on the doctor?. He's not even counter claimed.

That means: Gheb has dropped down a few rungs for me, and Jacob has rose a few more. KMD's status is left to open for tomorrow. We are not lynching claimed PRs when you can verify them else where.

Unvote

Vote: Jacob

Because of this I'm going to reread right now to determine how the wagon was maintained during the claiming stage.

[DTMaster]

I also forgot to add Gayle: Animorph was pro-Gayle and anti-Farside.

[DTMaster]

I'm going to repeat:

If we analyze Ani's posts a few things become clear.

a. He was passive about Mav's lynch/ who flipped town.
b. He was very anti-Farside and pro-Gayle
c. What bugs me is he was pro-Slaxx (reread the list and he died)

Things I note that have holes in them

@In Gheb's analysis: Pom voted KMD

before the claim

and he criticizes her for it. Interesting

@In KMD's claim: you (Gayle) don't want a counter claim and but you want to lynch KMD. Ok how about this, we use tonight to analyze KMD? You are leaving a no strings attach to lynch KMD and if he flips doctor you are leaving away with the justification that he's guilt free. However, I have a gut feeling now that Gayle is townie because of the underlying implications.

But this is not a time to lynch KMD when you can do other things to confirm his role that doesn't involve today's lynch of KMD

It'll be more beneficial to lynch else where.

[Gheb]

DTM, I think Pom is the scummiest of the bunch because the L-2 raised my eyebrow even before the claimed Doc. Now - as you have correctly wondered yourself - why the hell are there still 3 votes on the uncounterclaimed Doc? At this rate he's going to get lynched and the person who put him at L-2 makes no attempt

whatsoever

to rectify her assumed mistake? I think it's fairly easy to see how and why this rubs me the wrong way. My problem is that Pom only appeared after I voted her but she failed to realize that she herself put the Doc at L-2. Is that skimming or opportunism on her part? It's anti-town regardless especially since she's been stalling a lot of the progress of D2 (something I admit being guilty of myself).

Also, I do not approve at all of other players voting the Doc too - Pom's reaction just struck me as extremely odd because when I called her out for she (and apparently nobody else except me) seemed to have no issue at all with him being L-2. The other's I will certainly keep my eye but I think Pom's recent lack of input looks to me like she's trying to stay out of the spotlight while our claimed Doc is about to be lynched.

[CSL]

Less than two days remaining. Get lynching. I won't extend deadline, unless I get a replacement, but don't rely on the replacement, as I won't extend it unless a replacement is actually FOUND!

[CSL]

You guys won't like it if I get angry if there's no majority. You won't like 5 day deadlines, ya know? I like seeing lynches by majority. I hate deadlines. I know you don't like them either. I place them because there's barely any activity. Can we PLEASE be more active? Can we PLEASE get a majority?

(This was supposed to be in the above post. I kinda forgot it.)

[xofelf]

you figure out just how much school can take over your life when you happen to log on and everyone is surprised that you still exist. ._.

sorry about that, obligations of school equal not much time to be here. i'll try better

[CSL]

As well as the following.

I expect my players to be here as much as they can. If they ask for accomodations, like extended prod timers, they will be granted.

Xofelf is staying in this game. As asked, her prod timer is

5

days.

I feel like being nice. I'm extending the deadline by

3

days. This rarely happens, especially three times in one game. I usually grant none.

You all have roughly 4 days, and 16 hours to get a lynch. However, this time, if deadline hits, Random.org will decide the lynch.

Get lynching.

[TheLonging]

@Longing
Um do you realize that I've been tunnel heavy on the Mavs/Gayle issue. Like when did I go about and wagon on other people (aside from Ani). I was quite clear on my specific targets. You are bending backwards in your explanation.

Yeah I'm bending backwards, I thought on D1 your voting on Ani/Mavs/Gayle was bandwagoning.

OK I did a post search and the only vote that Ani did was on Farside. When did Ani bandwagon again?

I don't know about your definition of bandwagon, but my definition is when someone jumps o a player and votes them with weak reasoning (this could also be a very wrong definition). He continued to back it up with more weak reasoning and contradicted himself.

If it helps. Ani is very pro Slaxx and pro Gayle

Well I don't have a good read of Slaxx since he got replaced (who is his replacement, Jacob?). Gayle seems more pro-town to me to be honest.

Vote: JacobSavage

For looking for bandwagons and voting for kmd, who as far as we know, is probably a doctor.

[CSL]

The "Mod Is A Halo 3 Freak" votecount

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kmd4390 (L-3) Pomegranate, JacobSavage

JacobSavage (L-2) kmd4390, TheLonging, DTMaster

Pomegranate (L-4) Gheb
DTMaster (L-4) Gayle

Not voting: xofelf

With 8 alive, 5 Will brutally murder someone. Currently, JacobSavage will be beat down by deadline. From now on, the one in bold will be killed at deadline. I will not say who will be lynched. Bold speaks it all.

Deadline is Wednesday, February 24th, 2010, as soon as I get on!

Prod Timer 1.0
One/Two people will be prodded by the end of the day if they don't post.
Xofelf has close to 4.5 days left
Everyone else is fine.

[DTMaster]

Actually Longing, I failed on the Slaxx part since I just reread and he's dead.

[DTMaster]

Forgot to answer. I see it now after a better reread. Case is dismissed. Now that CSL god is giving us more time, the nature is:

Xolelf's/Pomes current play is extremely dangerous to the town if either players are town given CSL's deranged deadlines. It might be better to request replacement due to it.

[Kmd4390]

Remind me to read better tomorrow night if I get a chance to come online.

Jacob is a great lynch. Let's get two more votes.

[Gheb]

Xolelf's/Pomes current play is extremely dangerous to the town

if either players are town

given CSL's deranged deadlines.

Elaborate? I don't see why you add the underlined part. Is it not dangerous to the town if either player - or at least one of them - is scum as well? But yeah, I agree that both player's game should worry a lot more people than it does right now. Especially Pome imo as I mentioned before.

[Pomegranate]

Mod: request replacement. I'm far behind, and school has been keeping me very busy lately.

[TheLonging]

Remind me to read better tomorrow night if I get a chance to come online.

Jacob is a great lynch. Let's get two more votes.

I still don't like your play, regardless of whether you are town or not. I don't know if this is how you usually play but whatever.

[JacobSavage]

@DTMaster

The Reason why I am voting KMD, is that he survived the night, surley if someone has claimed Doctor at least one of the Mafia would have the brains to kill him?
As for no counter-claim, the doctor wants to survive, so counter-claiming someone who could be town or Mafia, is not fruitfull

[Gayle]

@DTMaster

The Reason why I am voting KMD, is that he survived the night, surley if someone has claimed Doctor at least one of the Mafia would have the brains to kill him?
As for no counter-claim, the doctor wants to survive, so counter-claiming someone who could be town or Mafia, is not fruitfull

This is a complete lie. KMD didn't claim doctor until today.

[CSL]

Hey, if people want day to end now, they may request it via PM. I really don't see anyone other than JS being lynched.

That said, please hold as I replace Pom

[Gayle]

Hey, if people want day to end now, they may request it via PM. I really don't see anyone other than JS being lynched

If enough people want the day to end they would just vote JacobSavage to get it over with. If there is no majority, and we aren't at deadline, there is no reason to end the day. Period.


btw, CSL just confirmed Jacobscum.

[CSL]

Nope. Anything I say does not confirm anyone unless it's a lynch scene, modkill scene, or a nightkill scene. Nothing else.