Mini 686 - Chess Mafia (Done)

[Mr. Black]

Great, then let's get this party started. Your first deadline is one week from today. February 21st, 5 PM EST.

[EmpTyger]

I suggest that all of us add the following to our signatures:

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The players of

Chess Mafia

are self-modding the remainder of the game. We are looking for a few replacements to finish things up. No rereading necessary- just a commitment to maintain the game's integrity. If this sounds interesting, post

/in to replace

in the game thread!

[EmpTyger]

Right, 255. Okay, try this instead:

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Chess Mafia is now being player-modded, and we need a few replacements. No rereading necessary, just integrity. "/in to replace" in the game thread if interested!

[Herodotus]

I don't like those rules. I'd prefer a real mod, and longer (2 week) deadlines.
But if I'm the only one, I'll consent so that we can get the game moving.


I had to shorten the sig to keep the game I'm modding listed, but I think this will suffice:

[Sudo_Nym]

We'd all like to have a real mod, and preferably, not have to deal with deadlines at all. But we'd also like to get this game done with before it hits two years and MeMe dies of apoplexy.

[EmpTyger]

I believe this is current:

Movecount

Re8

(Indigo Heron, Abstract Actuary, Sudo_Nym)

Qxf3

(Herodotus, veerus, EmpTyger)

Also, note that I'm going V/LA tomorrow morning, and will be until Thursday or Friday.

[veerus]

looks like i'm a bit late to the party but the current structure significantly favors black until we get a full game (which is why i'm glad mssk didn't enforce his deadlines)... currently we're at what, 6 active players? 2 of whom are likely black, which means they can effectively derail any proposed move and hope for the wrong move to be chosen by the mod at deadline... the same mod who's also one of the black players and has a huge conflict of interest with choosing the move

[Sudo_Nym]

Seems like a very good reason for us to be pushing for replacements.

[veerus]

Seems like a very good reason for us to be pushing for replacements.

Yes, and a very bad reason to have any deadlines until we do.

FYI, this is my only game at the moment that's why my signature doesn't have the replacement plea.

[Sudo_Nym]

So you'd rather we sit here and do nothing until we find people willing to replace into this behemoth? That'll just make MeMe look the place down.

[Abstract Actuary]

I was going to refrain from commenting until we figured out our administrative plan, but I think we should try to push the game along. If we can trade down and eliminate their attacking chances then I think Black will resign.

And AA, in the 2nd scenario, pretty sure 37. Re8 is the right move with Kd3 as the escape after Bg5.

They would play Rxd4 before they played Bg5, which is why we play Qxd5 instead of Re8. After Re8 Rxd4+ we are in some serious trouble.

1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. f4 e6 4. Nf3 f5 5. exf5 exf5 6. Qe2 Be7 7. Nd5 Nb4 8. Nxb4 cxb4 9. d4 Nf6 10. Qc4 a6 11. Bd2 b5 12. Qd3 O-O 13. Qxf5 d5 14. Qd3 Ne4 15. g3 Bf5 16. Qb3 Nxd2 17. Kxd2 Be4 18. Re1 Kh8 19. Qe3 g5 20. Bd3 gxf4 21. Qe2 Bxd3 22. Qxd3 Bd6 23. Re6 Rf6 24. Ng5 Ra7 25. Qf3 Rf5 26. h4 Be7 27. Qd3 Qf8 28. g4 Rxg5 29. hxg5 Bxg5 30. Re5 Qg8 31. Qf5 Rg7 32. Rhe1 Bh4 33. Qe4 Qf8 34. Re2 Qg8 35. Qf5 f3 36. Qxf3 Rxg4 37. Re8 Rxd4

[EmpTyger]

[Just got back- will look at actual chessy things later tonight.]


veerus:
I mean, if there's a 4 white : 2 black setup, *any* structure is going to be challenging in that way for white. I don't think "do nothing until we convince 3 players to replace in" is reasonable. (Especially since I'm not sure it's a given that we are getting replacements.) If you have a better plan, propose it. This one lets us play, and I feel is reasonable for both sides.

[Sudo_Nym]

For that matter, we don't even know for sure that both black players are active; it could be 5:1, which is more in our favor.

[veerus]

I understand that replacements won't come easy. My concern is with a deadlocked position where we're split 3-3 and one person - a black player - is making the final decision. Sudo, I do not believe this is a 5:1 scenario. With 1 black player, I do not believe we would've had week-long nights up to this point.

AA, you're right. I saw that line earlier but forgot about it when making my last post. Re8 definitely looks more promising now that some analysis has been done but I am worried about passed pawns when the non-pawn piece ratio is not 1:1. Unfortunately further analysis of Qxf3 definitely lacks the punch I originally thought it had which means that Re8 is likely the only viable option.

move: Re8

[Abstract Actuary]

Actually I think one active black player could definitely cause the long nights. He sends something out, waits a few days before his black counterpart (who is largely inactive in the thread) responds with their analysis, then they make the move, a few painstaking exchanges later. Also, another possible culprit which makes any speculation pretty pointless is that the mod was just inactive about ending night.

[EmpTyger]

I don't think it's the only viable option- in fact, I think they're pretty equivalent, but Re8 forces more trading.

Unmove: Qxf3, move: Re8

Movecount

:

5 Re8

(Indigo Heron, Abstract Actuary, Sudo_Nym, veerus, EmpTyger)

1 Qxf3

(Herodotus)

So that's a lynch.

veerus:
Can we please get into the habit of posting a new movecount whenever anyone votes or unvotes a move?

And regardless of whether it's 4:2 or 5:1, the point is that white must not be advantaged by consensus not being reached. Setting aside the fairness issue, it removes the incentive for white to attempt to reach consensus.

[Mr. Black]

And here I was looking forward to picking the move.

34. Re8 is the move, and now we shall deliberate.

[Mr. Black]

We have selected 34. ... Bg5+. It is now day, deadline is set for 5 PM EST, February 28th.

[Herodotus]

move Kd3

or Kd1. I don't think it matters, but in the back row the black rook could potentially threaten the king.

Move Count:

Kd3 (1):

Herodotus

[Thok]

/in to replace

[EmpTyger]

Definitely not Kd1- then it's fxe2+ instead of fxe2.

Move Kd3

Move Count

Kd3 (2):

Herodotus, EmpTyger

Thok:
This is a perfect game for us, isn't it- no lynching or nightkills to end any intense argument that might put us at each others' throats. Welcome aboard! Black will be PMing you your alignment.

[Thok]

Thok:
This is a perfect game for us, isn't it- no lynching or nightkills to end any intense argument that might put us at each others' throats. Welcome aboard! Black will be PMing you your alignment.

Have you implemented something so I know which of the three people I will be replacing? Not that it matters for anything but continuity sake.

For the record, I've actually read about 30 or so pages of the game in the last day or so, but more for amusement value than anything once I knew about the chess game=win condition stuff. For obvious reasons, I won't be saying anything about the chess game until I actually know my alignment.

[Thok]

I've gotten a role PM, and I'm replacing ZazieR.

Move Kd3

, as per EmpTyger's explanation of why Kd1 is bad. Ke1 is essentially us saying we want 3 move repetition, and anything else seems to lose material.

Move Count

Kd3 (3):

Herodotus, EmpTyger, Thok

[Abstract Actuary]

Mr. Black, can you continue to post the board after each move. I'm still having trouble with the R1e2 move that it won't allow, but the workaround I used earlier does the trick. So you can start with this, if you'd like.

1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. f4 e6 4. Nf3 f5 5. exf5 exf5 6. Qe2 Be7 7. Nd5 Nb4 8. Nxb4 cxb4 9. d4 Nf6 10. Qc4 a6 11. Bd2 b5 12. Qd3 O-O 13. Qxf5 d5 14. Qd3 Ne4 15. g3 Bf5 16. Qb3 Nxd2 17. Kxd2 Be4 18. Re1 Kh8 19. Qe3 g5 20. Bd3 gxf4 21. Qe2 Bxd3 22. Qxd3 Bd6 23. Re6 Rf6 24. Ng5 Ra7 25. Qf3 Rf5 26. h4 Be7 27. Qd3 Qf8 28. g4 Rxg5 29. hxg5 Bxg5 30. Re5 Qg8 31. Qf5 Rg7 32. Rhe1 Bh4 33. Qe4 Qf8 34. Re2 Qg8 35. Qf5 f3 36. Re8 Bg5

We have to play Kd3 here.

Move: Kd3

Move Count

Kd3 (4): Herodotus, EmpTyger, Thok, Abstract Actuary

[Thok]

Mr. Black, can you continue to post the board after each move. I'm still having trouble with the R1e2 move that it won't allow, but the workaround I used earlier does the trick. So you can start with this, if you'd like.

Mr. Black appears to be updating the board in the first post. (He hasn't updated the player list yet.)