926 A Game of Thrones Mafia - Over.

[TheButtonmen]

Before I support it, some conditions:
A)We only claim name.
B)We do it by dice tag order.

Thoughts?

[Kinetic]

Before I support it, some conditions:
A)We only claim name.
B)We do it by dice tag order.

Thoughts?

1 is exactly fine.

2 I'd prefer popcorn style (it also gives some interesting possible information based on who picks who). Completely randomized loses some information, but it could be done that way if others agree.

[TheButtonmen]

What are the benifits of popcorn? I would think in this situation we want scum having as little control over the order as possible?

[Kinetic]

What are the benifits of popcorn? I would think in this situation we want scum having as little control over the order as possible?

So scum choose other scum? Do they choose townies?

Its just part of the game, it forces an interaction and those interactions can be analyzed when there is more information.

[MacavityLock]

I have some issues with MacLock's numbers (principally since they assume that scum will believe nameclaim is a good idea).

My point is that

if

it's good for scum, they will agree to it. And I think that a name claim is more likely to be game "breaking" for the scum than town.

I understand why you're wary of my numbers, and expected to take a bit of flak for it. But I really don't think now is the right time for a name claim. As if you didn't know already, but

Nay to name claim.

If it does happen, popcorn.

[MacavityLock]

P.S. This assumes popcorn begins with a randomly generated player.

[Kinetic]

P.S. This assumes popcorn begins with a randomly generated player.

Random or the group decides by majority, either is fine by me.

[MacavityLock]

Sure, either random or group deciding by majority works for me as well.

[Seacore]

I'm not agreeing with MacLock, I just thought you'd misunderstood. My bad.

[Faraday]

Vote Count 1.4: The

'You raped her. You murdered her. You killed her children. '

' votecount.

Bogre (3) - [Kinetic, The Inquisition, Miserable at Best]
Mina (1) - [Raivann]
Kinetic (1) [Xvart]
TheButtonMen (2) [Mina, MacavityLock]
Seacore (1) [Locke Lamora]

Not voting:

(4) [ Heliograph, TheButtonMen, Seacore, Bogre]


With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline: March 3rd @ 6pm GMT and you need a full majority to lynch.

[Kinetic]

unvote

Didn't realize Bog had so many votes on him. As my vote was half random and only left on because of reactions I'm going to take it off for now until I re-evaluate if I want to push or not.

[Raivann]

Vote:buttonmen

Nay

to nameclaim

[Seacore]

Yay

3 Votes
Seacore
Miserable
Kinetic

Nay

2 Votes
Macavity
Raivann

Yet to Vote

7 non-votes
Xvart
Locke Lamora
Bogre
TheButtonMen
Mina
Heliograph
The Inquisition

Button could you please confirm your vote if you now agree (considering your conditions have been agreed to) Could the other 6 weigh in?

[TheButtonmen]

Consider it confirmed.

Yay

for naming.

[Seacore]

Yay

4 Votes
Seacore
Miserable
Kinetic
Buttonmen

Nay

2 Votes
Macavity
Raivann

Yet to Vote

6 non-votes
Xvart
Locke Lamora
Bogre
Mina
Heliograph
The Inquisition


Also, just to clarify. The initial claimer will be chosen at random, using random tags (which is awesome, the site I was from never let you use random tags). Once that person claims, they will nominate the next person to claim, who will claim and nominate and so on.
The claim will be purely character name, no PRs.

And if I see the Mountain that Rides, my vote will fly hard and fast (probably not, but I've loved hating that character)

[Raivann]

@Kinetic- Did you answer this yet ? ...

xvart wrote:
The point is if we all name claim who do you think is more likely to have a more powerful (or useful) role? Benjen Stark or Syrio Forel? Khal Drago or Hodor? In each of those instances, not knowing any role related information, who would you rather lose?

[xvart]

Um... okay then. First, I just want to point out that Kinetic still has not addressed the issue of whether or not he believes prominent characters would have more powerful roles; which I think is a perfectly reasonable conclusion. Care to answer the direct question I asked you, Kinetic?

Let's all slow down a little on the Yay/Nay-ing here. Let us pretend for a second that less prominent characters might have more powerful roles. We still have no way to confirm or deny this at this juncture; but we might tomorrow after a couple people are dead when we see their names and roles. So I think it would be good to wait at least until tomorrow before continuing with any name claim discussion (other than Kinetic addressing the things he seems so adamant to ignore). If tomorrow Jamie Lannister turns up dead with a Vanilla Role I will reconsider my stance on the name claim. Once we name claim we can't ever put it back in the box, so waiting a day is the best move.

Nay

to name claiming.

In the meantime, I think Kinetic is the best lynch candidate at the moment since he is obviously selectively reading the thread to his agenda or to make others look scummy and continuing discussion that is not advancing the scumhunting one bit.

xvart.

[Seacore]

Actually, while that question is fine to answer in hypotheticals...

And while I'm guilty of it as well, with me mentioning of Clegane and others...

I think we should stop listing characters now. All we're doing is providing scum with our expectations, so they can avoid scummy characters, and claim, for example, Hodor.

Yes, it's likely that at least one scum has read the books, its probable that all scum have read the books (I mean, they're freaking good books), so yes, it's likely that they all know the characters. But by listing what level of character (in plot importance) we expect is giving information to the scum.

So, FOS:The next person to give hypothetical characters

[Seacore]

xvart

I answered that question, even if Kinetic didn't. I claimed to have a very prominent character and a Vanilla Role. Thus I don't think that the names will lead us towards PRs.

What I hope they will do is point us towards scum.
And if so, I expect the scum to lie about who they have.
And then I hope to catch people out in lying.

[Raivann]

Could the other 6 weigh in?

You've already helped scum enough claiming you're not a PR.
Now you want everyone to say if they are for or against nameclaim.
How does name claiming help the town?
I'm not even liking the voting for nameclaim thing.

How about this, we lynch thebuttonmen first.

[Raivann]

quote="xvart"]
In the meantime, I think Kinetic is the best lynch candidate at the moment since he is obviously selectively reading the thread to his agenda or to make others look scummy and continuing discussion that is not advancing the scumhunting one bit.
[/quote]
I agree, but I think a mislynch on town Kinetic on Day 1 would be a bad thing.
If he is town, scum will probably be scared of his Scummies and NK him.

Maybe he is Inv-proof GF or something. That's the only reason I can see for him to be doing this. Perhaps he is acting suspicious so he will get investigated and cleared by cop.

[Seacore]

Yes, I want everybody to be for or against a nameclaim

Name claiming helps town under the reasonable assumption that names reflect scum roles.

Why do you not like voting for nameclaim? Got a problem with people being forced to answer a question?

[Raivann]

What if scum have safe claims ?
If your scum who are you gonna kill at night?
Answer: The characters who are more prominent and powerful.

All this is gonna do is out PR's!

[Seacore]

I completely disagree with that assessment.

To use characters that have already been hypotheticalled.

I can see "Syrio" and "Hodor" having as much chance of a PR as prominent characters.

Also, I don't see why we would be playing a game themed on the books if the bad guys didn't have obviously scummy characters. Sure there might be some borderline ones, but I think they'll likely be lannisters (mostly).

[Seacore]

Note:
I've played the Game of Thrones Card Game. And it's actually the minor characters that have powers more often. The major characters just have good stats. Granted that doesn't translate directly in this game (there are no stats) but I'm just saying, your assumption isn't valid.