926 A Game of Thrones Mafia - Over.

[Seacore]

Actually, Locke's last post says he is for the name claim


... and then he votes for me, but whatever.

8 votes, which is what was agreed to has it.

We have a name claim.
Somebody other than me (who doesn't know how to do it) do a random tag, lets start this name claim up.

[Kinetic]

Original Roll String: 1d12

1 12-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

[Kinetic]

The dice select:

Heliograph

[Seacore]

Shit

That means we'll be waiting for another two days

[Seacore]

Let me clarify. I'm definitely against the idea of a mass nameclaim now. Like I said before, on the off-chance Faraday forgot to choose faction-independent names or send out fakeclaims...well, this entire discussion just jogged his memory, so now we can guarantee that a nameclaim would be useless. But I'm "interested" in where Kinetic is going with this, because he's hinting at some grand theory about the set-up.

Vote: Mina

I don't like her whole train of thought with this anti name claim argument.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not voting for her because she's a Nay vote, I'm voting for her because of how she's been arguing against it.

I'm fine with the argument that outting PRs is bad. I don't think it'll do that, name a character and I can come up with a potential mafia power (or three) for that character (don't actually do this btw, I'm just saying I could) and if you think about it, you could too. But anyway, I'm fine with this being an argument.

What I'm not fine with, is her suggestion that Faraday will change the game to stop us from doing this.
To me this sounds like somebody who knows it will hurt the scum and is hoping the Mod will step in and stop it.
Kinetic and I (the two biggest pushers of the name claim) have both said that we don't think this will break the game. So why are you worried that it'll be so game breaking that the mod will have to step in? Did you not discuss fake claims during N0 with your scum buddies?

[Locke Lamora]

Yep, as pointed out, I am for the name claim.

[Seacore]

But randomness just killed the name claim. Heilo's not going to post until he's prodded again. And by the time he does that we won't have enough time to use the name claim, discuss the fallout etc.
So while I hope in vain that I"m wrong, might as well start building cases without it.

[MacavityLock]

Kinetic, once the name claim is complete, will you be divulging your theory/theories, whether or not it/they happened to be true?

[Kinetic]

Kinetic, once the name claim is complete, will you be divulging your theory/theories, whether or not it/they happened to be true?

Most likely yes. Unless I think it'll be better to hold them for a day or two, but I doubt that.

[Kinetic]

I'm for lynching a chronic lurker if he doesn't post in the next 24-48 hours. Just saying.

[Seacore]

You won't find me too much against a Heilo policy lynch

But I'm curious for feedback on my (admittidly small) Mina case

[TheButtonmen]

I'm for lynching a chronic lurker if he doesn't post in the next 24-48 hours. Just saying.

^5!

I'm always down for a lurker lynch.

[Raivann]

With that said, I now think the best move is to lynch Seacore and we will definitely be able to verify his claim (if he happens to flip town).

I think Seacore was an excited townie when he claimed. Normally I would agree with you that an early claim is nervous scum. But I'm not getting that vibe from Seacore.

You won't find me too much against a Heilo policy lynch

But I'm curious for feedback on my (admittidly small) Mina case

I like Mina's case on buttonmen alot better.

I'm for lynching a chronic lurker if he doesn't post in the next 24-48 hours. Just saying.

^5!

I'm always down for a lurker lynch.

So sayith the lurker.

I could support Helio lynch, but prefer buttonmen lynch obviously.

Come join us on buttonman train, it's nice. We got champagne, cheddar cheese and peppered beef jerky.

[Seacore]

Screw you Raivann


I'm stuck at my desk at work and now I want nothing but peppered beef jerky...

[Heilograph]

Well do I say what I was, this is my first name claim.. How does it work?

[Seacore]

Say the character name you were given.

Do not say anything about your role.

Also, say if you are scum.

[Heilograph]

Tyrion Lannister,
And I am not scum

[Seacore]

Now you choose who you want to claim next

[TheButtonmen]

I'm for lynching a chronic lurker if he doesn't post in the next 24-48 hours. Just saying.

^5!

I'm always down for a lurker lynch.

So sayith the lurker.

I could support Helio lynch, but prefer buttonmen lynch obviously.

I'm lurking? The ISO button is your friend try using it.

[Heilograph]

Borge is my choice

[The Inquisition]

mod: I'm on V/LA this weekend.

If it's to me by tomorrow morning, I'll get to my name claim. If it's not, then you may have to wait until I'm back home to get mine. I apologize in advance for any inconvenience this serves.

[Mina]

Sorry, my other game is kind of intense now. It's four in the morning here, but just to respond to Seacore's case:

Let me clarify. I'm definitely against the idea of a mass nameclaim now. Like I said before, on the off-chance Faraday forgot to choose faction-independent names or send out fakeclaims...well, this entire discussion just jogged his memory, so now we can guarantee that a nameclaim would be useless. But I'm "interested" in where Kinetic is going with this, because he's hinting at some grand theory about the set-up.

Vote: Mina

I don't like her whole train of thought with this anti name claim argument.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not voting for her because she's a Nay vote, I'm voting for her because of how she's been arguing against it.

I'm fine with the argument that outting PRs is bad. I don't think it'll do that, name a character and I can come up with a potential mafia power (or three) for that character (don't actually do this btw, I'm just saying I could) and if you think about it, you could too. But anyway, I'm fine with this being an argument.

What I'm not fine with, is her suggestion that Faraday will change the game to stop us from doing this.
To me this sounds like somebody who knows it will hurt the scum and is hoping the Mod will step in and stop it.
Kinetic and I (the two biggest pushers of the name claim) have both said that we don't think this will break the game. So why are you worried that it'll be so game breaking that the mod will have to step in? Did you not discuss fake claims during N0 with your scum buddies?

The reason I'm against it (other than the rolefishing) is because I don't think it

will

be gamebreaking. Most set-ups can't be broken with a nameclaim. And my point was that any mod who made a careless mistake like not giving out fakeclaims would have noticed his mistake the moment people discussed the subject of nameclaims. Also, that post was long before Kinetic and you said you weren't expecting it to break the game. IIRC, Kinetic started the game by saying, "Who thinks a massclaim would break this?"

I see how someone could interpret that comment as, "Hey, dumbass, you forgot to give me a fakeclaim!" But if I were scum, I could have just PM'd Faraday to ask for one, instead of openly whining about it in the thread.

To be honest, I think this whole thing is a waste of time, but I'll go along with it.

I'll save the other stuff for tomorrow.

[Faraday]

Vote Count 1.6: The

' Promise me, Ned.'

' votecount.

Bogre (1) - [The Inquisition]
TheButtonMen (3) [Mina, MacavityLock, Raivann]
Seacore (2) [Locke Lamora, xvart]
Mina (1) [Seacore]

Not voting:

(5) [Heliograph, TheButtonMen, Bogre, Kinetic, Miserable At Best]


With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline: March 3rd @ 6pm GMT and you need a full majority to lynch.

The Inquisition's V/La has been noted. Thanks.

[Seacore]

I see nothing "breaking" about scum being given a name that they know is scummy, not being gift wrapped a fake name by the mod, and being forced into telling the truth and trying to argue that there is nothing role related about their name or trying to come up with a fake name themselves.

There is no hand that faraday needs to take in this to keep the game fair.

Even somebody who has never heard of the book has had a chance by now to somehow find a fake name.

[xvart]

I am leaving for vacation and will have limited access until Monday. I will likely log on at least once a day to fulfill my name claim obligation and hopefully contribute some as well.

V/LA: March 1

xvart.