Mini 925: Umineko No Naku Koro Ni Mafia: GAME OVER!

[UncertainKitten]

StrangerCoug replaces Col.Cathart effective tomorrow, Thursday, Februray 25th. Oh, yeah, new page.

[UncertainKitten]

The Seventh "599 Million Ruins" Vote Count

"Well...we know for sure that...Beatrice will certainly not win this game."

Mod Note: StrangerCoug will replace Col.Cathart

0. UncertainKitten (2): Leech, Snow_Bunny
1. Cobalt (1): CSL
2. RayFrost (0)
3. Col.Cathart (1): Kairyuu
4. DisCode (0)
5. Snow_Bunny (0)
6. Tarhalindur (0)
7. Kairyuu (0)
8. mangus_orion (0)
9. Leech (0)
10. TheLonging (0)
11. NavyCherub (5): DisCode, RayFrost, Tarhalindur, Cobalt, mangus_orion
12. CSL (0)


Not Voting (3): TheLonging, Col.Cathart, Navy Cherub

NavyCherub is at L-2

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch
Deadline is in 9 days at 11 AM EST, Friday, March 5th

[NavyCherub]

The thing is, it's hard to defend a vote that I never intended on taking to a lynch. You're right, I could have chosen the people who continued the discussion, but I chose the first vote with bad reasoning looking back. It was intended as a reaction vote, and that would not have changed with the person who I was voting. It was a pretty dumb mistake to vote for Leech. Now, onto my claim. I have a question before I do it - not being able to quote "factional abilities" doesn't mean I can't quote my powers, does it? I'm afraid of being modkilled so I just want to make sure. >___>

If a player has factional abilities, they will be labelled as factional abilities. Everything else is fair game.

[NavyCherub]

"Would you like some more cookies?"

Welcome to Umineko No

Na

ku Koro Ni Mafia,

NavyCherub

. You are

Ronove, Townie Jack of All Trades

. You have the following abilities:

Passive Abilities:

You have no passive abilities

Active Abilties:

Demonic Distraction:

Once per game, at night, you may roleblock all players.

Demonic Inquiry:

Once per game, at night, you may target a player. You will be sent that players alignment.

(Note: Your sanity is not guaranteed)

Demonic Trickery:

Once per game, at night, you may target two players. All actions your first target uses will be redirected to the second target.

Demonic Protection:

Once per game, at night, you may target a player. That player cannot be targetted during the next night phase.

Demonic Killing:

Once per game, at night, you may target a player. That player will be killed.

Win Condition (Town): You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

OMG ROLE PM QUOTE MOD-

Oh wait. Carry on

[StrangerCoug]

Hello

Will read when I come back, but NavyCherub, that claim is a tad premature...

[NavyCherub]

Will read when I come back, but NavyCherub, that claim is a tad premature...

I'm effectively at L-1, I wouldn't say it was premature.

[Leech]

Mod: I'll be on V/LA until Friday afternoon

Sorry guys having severe internet issues at the moment.

Noted

[Tarhalindur]

"Would you like some more cookies?"

Welcome to Umineko No

Na

ku Koro Ni Mafia,

NavyCherub

. You are

Ronove, Townie Jack of All Trades

. You have the following abilities:

Passive Abilities:

You have no passive abilities

Active Abilties:

Demonic Distraction:

Once per game, at night, you may roleblock all players.

Demonic Inquiry:

Once per game, at night, you may target a player. You will be sent that players alignment.

(Note: Your sanity is not guaranteed)

Demonic Trickery:

Once per game, at night, you may target two players. All actions your first target uses will be redirected to the second target.

Demonic Protection:

Once per game, at night, you may target a player. That player cannot be targetted during the next night phase.

Demonic Killing:

Once per game, at night, you may target a player. That player will be killed.

Win Condition (Town): You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

OMG ROLE PM QUOTE MOD-

Oh wait. Carry on

Hmm. I believe you're probably telling the truth about your abilities. You might be lying about your alignment, but that's something to deal with later.

Let me think over how best to deal with that claim (global roleblock YAUS!).

Regardless, I'll be unvoting you now, Snow_Bunny just claimed scum:

I still think lynching the mod is a good idea, but right now I'm more interested in how the Navy's wagons develops. I'm finding him a bit scummy, but I think it's a bit early to be lynching someone. Also, I want to hear from that

false

claim as well.

Also, I would like to hear what Tar knows about the mod, if that isn't asking for much.

Utterly noncommittal (refuses to take any stand... and yet insinuates that NavyCherub is scum, oh dear mother of gods is this a scumtell), blatant fishing, general "Why hasn't this player been run up for this post alone?" factor.

Unvote, Vote: Snow_Bunny

[Cobalt]

hm eh

unvote vote tarh

[Kairyuu]

My vote remains on Col, now SC. I believe the claim.

[magnus_orion]

hey tar, how come you didn't respond to snow_bunny's comment about you in the post you quoted?

Navy's claim is believable, so I'll tentatively

unvote

I'd like to hear more about what reactions Navy was looking for, though, if any specifically. If no specific reactions were being looked for, what conclusions were drawn from the reactions that did happen?

also I'm going to have to

V/LA until monday due to papers and homework and stuff.

Noted

[Tarhalindur]

hey tar, how come you didn't respond to snow_bunny's comment about you in the post you quoted?

<snip for brevity>

Uh, you DID read the post, right?

Utterly noncommittal (refuses to take any stand... and yet insinuates that NavyCherub is scum, oh dear mother of gods is this a scumtell),

blatant fishing

, general "Why hasn't this player been run up for this post alone?" factor.

Why the FUCK would I respond to a request that I consider blatant fishing?

FoS: magnus_orion

for WTF.

[StrangerCoug]

I probably need to go through this thread again when I don't feel so busy. NavyCherub's claim seems fine, Cobalt's acting the way I've normally seen him, and TheLonging seems to be a bit off.

[TheLonging]

None of those seem like town abilities Navy...

[Cobalt]

None of those seem like town abilities Navy...

except all of them do
does anyone know if UK likes joats?

[TheLonging]

roleblock all abilities doesn't seem that town to me

learning someone's abilities... I've only gotten that ability as scum before in past games so idunno

trickery yeah looks more town than scum

protection yes I can see being town

killing is like a vig ability then right? of course if it hits town/PR it'd be horrible

[Cobalt]

it's learn alignment not abilities.
and global RB bleeds town

[magnus_orion]

Uh, you DID read the post, right?

Apparently not... I missed that...

[NavyCherub]

learning someone's abilities... I've only gotten that ability as scum before in past games so idunno

As Cobalt said, alignment, not abilities.

killing is like a vig ability then right? of course if it hits town/PR it'd be horrible

That's more of a comment on my potential vig choice than if it is a "scummy ability" or not.

Cobalt's acting the way I've normally seen him

So he always acts like this? That explains alot I guess...

If no specific reactions were being looked for, what conclusions were drawn from the reactions that did happen?

Pretty town to me right now. He didn't go out of his way to defend anything he really didn't believe and he didn't become overly defensive.

[Snow_Bunny]

Regardless, I'll be unvoting you now, Snow_Bunny just claimed scum:

I still think lynching the mod is a good idea, but right now I'm more interested in how the Navy's wagons develops. I'm finding him a bit scummy, but I think it's a bit early to be lynching someone. Also, I want to hear from that

false

claim as well.

Also, I would like to hear what Tar knows about the mod, if that isn't asking for much.

Utterly noncommittal (refuses to take any stand... and yet insinuates that NavyCherub is scum, oh dear mother of gods is this a scumtell), blatant fishing, general "Why hasn't this player been run up for this post alone?" factor.

Unvote, Vote: Snow_Bunny

-Utterly noncommittal? I have a stance (I want to lynch the mod). Navy is scummy, but not enough to draw me from my current stance. At least IO have a stance, not like others that say "I think it's a good idea, but I won't vote for now." Talk about hyprocrite.
-Blatant fishing? I'm sorry, but I'm just asking for info about if lynching the mod is a good idea. I never asked for your role, rolename, special abilities, etc, etc. I just want to know if you know something about lynching the mod being a bad idea. I don't know about you, but if I knew something that would be bad for town, I would post it asap. On the other hand, you posted something that would be bad for

scum

. So, yeah. (I really find your claim as a Bomb to be not that useful for town. You just warned scum, and thus, setup a possible protection for your own lynch.)
-

"general "Why hasn't this player been run up for this post alone?" factor."

...Eh?

So, Tar, it seems you are trying to build something based on sand. And fact, it seems that you are the one being noncommittal to this game. You claim to have a scum-hurting role (that I still can't see why would you claim it), claim to have info about the mod (that you prefer not to share), and claim that you need time to puzzle out your role before you can vote (well, that was before, but still). Seems to me that you are active lurking. Your vote against Navy seemed more like an easy jump on a forming wagon than anything else. Your vote against me is just based on what? Me asking your information? This leads me to believe that there's something on that info you don't want town to know, and you shield yourself with such weak attacks as "blatant rolefishing" when obviously that wasn't the point of my request.

So, in general:
-Active lurking ("I'll explain once I've puzzled that out. " "Let me think over how best to deal with that claim")
-Noncomittal and lack of a real stance
-Claimed a role that, imo, would have been better stayed unclaimed, first, as it would have hurt mafia more, and second, as it raises a small but present protection in case of a lynch against himself (well, that's part my perception, but still).
-You supposedly hold information that would help town regarding the issue of lynching the mod but you don't care to share it.
-Kind of hypocrital attack against me, based on a subversion of the facts (really? Blatant fishing? That's all you could come up with?), also increases my suspicious based on the information he holds about the mod.

So, in conclusion, Tar is really scummy. I still think lynching the mod is a better option, though. And thus, my vote remains as it is, but not without first:

FoS: Tar

I wouldn't mind a Tar lynch at all, but I really prefer a mod lynch first.

Just because of the points brought before, this level of reasoning is possible for Snow_Bunny. What do you think, everyone?

[Leech]

roleblock all abilities doesn't seem that town to me

Why would Scum have an ability that renders all their others useless?

[Snow_Bunny]

Well, I might be biased a little bit, but global roleblock seems like a third party to me (well, I got a role that did that in a Tar game not so long ago. Third party.) And well, it makes sense. If you are third party, you wouldn't have much problem blocking all town abilities and scum abilities.

[Leech]

-Claimed a role that, imo, would have been better stayed unclaimed, first, as it would have hurt mafia more, and second, as it raises a small but present protection in case of a lynch against himself (well, that's part my perception, but still).

I agree with that. When I saw his bomb claim, I thought it was completely out of place. This exact quote really made me wonder:

So, dearest Mafiosos: Assuming that we don't use my ability as a second lynch, you're kinda screwed. Either you let me survive to endgame and screw you over during massclaim or you kill me and lose one of your members. Your choice!

You could replace the word "Mafiosos" with "Townies" and you still achieve the same exact thing; a lynch scare-tactic. If you are a bomb, you just told the mafia to not hammer you in the event of a lynch. You also just told them not to kill you in the night, and to focus on someone else. That information benefits the mafia more than the town. Had you kept that to yourself, the mafia could have hammered you, and lost a player. If what you say is true, you should not have claimed it.

[StrangerCoug]

So, dearest Mafiosos: Assuming that we don't use my ability as a second lynch, you're kinda screwed. Either you let me survive to endgame and screw you over during massclaim or you kill me and lose one of your members. Your choice!

You could replace the word "Mafiosos" with "Townies" and you still achieve the same exact thing; a lynch scare-tactic. If you are a bomb, you just told the mafia to not hammer you in the event of a lynch. You also just told them not to kill you in the night, and to focus on someone else. That information benefits the mafia more than the town. Had you kept that to yourself, the mafia could have hammered you, and lost a player. If what you say is true, you should not have claimed it.

Now that you brought Tarhalindur's threat to my attention, why do I think he slipped with the wording?

[CSL]

Uu~! I believe Navy's claim.

On the threat, Tar, are you softclaiming Bomb? Uu~!