ZOMBIES! - Zombies take over for the win!!!

[farside22]

“Who died and made you f*cking king of the zombies?” - Ed (Shaun of the Dead, 2004)

Reckoner (2) bv310, Kmd
tatetothetot (4) evilsnail, ZazieR, manho, Wolframnhart
MrSuave (1) xRECKONERx,
Wolframnhart (1) CooLDoG
Starbuck (1) CryMeARiver
Cooldog (1) Starbuck
ODDin (1) Diamondilium
Kmd4390 (1) McGriddle
Diamond (1) iLord
McGriddle (2) Morph, Yosarian2
Zazie (1) ODDin

vote voting:

MrSuave
WRP_Beater
tatetothetot
Albert B. Rampage

With 20 alive it will take 11 to lynch
Deadline is Monday March 8th, 9:00am PST

[Kmd4390]

No, I've seen this one before. It just isn't the same as it used to be, so maybe you saw a different one.

By "getting involved", I don't mean they are lurking and not contributing. I mean if they look for themselves and find their own tells, they're more likely to see the player as scum.

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My case on Reck, which probably won't convince anyone, is this:
-Active lurking
-His stance on CooL (I don't consider it a defense, but I don't like it)
-His AtE to my vote on him
-A gut read

[ODDin]

If you provide a link it'll be nice. But with the whole changing playstyles, I'm much less inclined to write it off as such.
On the whole, I'm a little disturbed you chose to defend zazie before he even said anything to his defence himself. He's in no danger of being lynched and there's no wagon on him that needs to be stopped. If he has a legitimate defence, he can present it himself, can't he?

Getting people to read things themselves is nice, but people are generally expected to read and reread the game and individual players from time to time on their own. One's arguments are supposed to help others see what they missed themselves. Also, they help the town get a better read of you, which is something you want to happen unless you're scum.

And funnily enough, still no case on evilsnail.

[Kmd4390]

I'm just calling it as I see it.

And I'm not going to build a case that isn't there.

[ODDin]

... So you were willing to vote somebody over a case that doesn't exist.

unvote, vote: Kmd

This here is more serious than what I had on Zazie.

[Kmd4390]

My gut said scum on him on Page 1, yeah. Am I supposed to hold onto that all game?

[ODDin]

4>1

[Kmd4390]

4>1

Oh, Page 4. Ok, definitely should hold onto that all game. I thought it was 1, but I guess it's 4.

Unvote, Vote Evilsnail

for my Page 4 gut read.

[Kmd4390]

I won't rest until Evilsnail is lynched.

[ODDin]

You also equaled him to reck, whom you, supposedly, suspected for active lurking (and his stance on cooldog, but since there's no real explanation to what you didn't like about it, let's leave it be for the moment).
So, there's one player you suspect for active lurking and another on whom you've got nothing but a gut read - and you're equally willing to vote both?

[xRECKONERx]

Sorry about being inactive, guys. I'm not liking ABR's lack of participation, but it's not enough for me to find him scummy. I still think Suave is king of active lurking and needs some more votes. Besides Suave, I'm not sure what I think of KMD's play so far - it's erratic.

Lots of players need to get the fuck in this game, I had totally forgotten Starbuck was even playing. Also, KMD/ODDin, can you guys explain the evilsnail hate? I skimmed the last few pages and don't see anything particularly bad.

[ODDin]

No hate. In post 93, kmd says he's willing to vote for evilsnail as much as he's willing to vote for you (that's the way I understand what he said, anyway). After long struggles and tribulations, we finally get kmd's case on you (post 251). However, apparently there's no case on evilsnail, only a gut read. So, apparently kmd was equally willing to post for somebody on whom he had a case and somebody on whom he had only a gut read.

[ODDin]

EBWOP: "equally willing to

post

vote for somebody"

[Albert B. Rampage]

Way to go being a nice obedient puppy and doing whatever you're told. "You didn't want to get into trouble"? Seriously?

Lol yes, I am already in hot water, having 5 pages to read and not posting in one of them lol, I don't want not RVing to bite me in the ass later.

First time I ever heard of not RV'ing later biting you in the ass. Griddle, how experienced at mafia would you say you are?

Ya know, let's get a little pressure going here, get some more people to post.

vote tate

Tate you had 3 votes (now 4) on you and haven't posted much. Thoughts so far?

Scummy. If you're going to vote for someone, you shoud never admit to it being just for "pressure". This is the reason I like ODDin, iLord, Diamondilium, etc.; you don't know whether they are just getting warmed up or they are genuinely ready for a lynch. That's what real pressure looks like. Announcing to the world that you are voting "for pressure" hardly even counts as a BW vote because you will unvote just as fast and with just as little reason as you came on with. If you're going to accuse someone of being scum, you better put your balls on the motherfucking table.

Finding town is never scummy, telling us who you found town IS scummy. You aren't explaining your vote on him, just saying he is scummy.

Unvote, Vote: kmd4390

I agree. There is absolutely no reason to give your town reads on Day 1 unless you are trying to make people feel safe...and why would you want that?

@ABR
We've discussed that before.

Remind me.

Suave needs to post and his only posts in this game are godawful.

Hahaha?

The first one is a decent length complete sentence with normal punctuation. Then, when I call him out on his post, he magically decides that he was "changing his posting style." He starts chopping up his sentences and abandoning his original wordiness. The style between these two posts is markedly different - the difference even extends as far as to quotes - he uses quotes in the first post, but in the second opts to use the "@" format.

This changing playstyle thing is BS to cover up for ODDin wagon.

Unvote, Vote Diamonddillium

I don't think his vote n ODDin is scummy in itself.

Finding town is never scummy, telling us who you found town IS scummy. You aren't explaining your vote on him, just saying he is scummy.

Unvote, Vote: kmd4390

WHAT ARE YOU ON???? There's something called towntells, ya know.

vote:McGriddle

This defense of kmd reeks of scum.

Vote animorph

[evilsnail]

I won't rest until Evilsnail is lynched.

Really? On the basis of a page 4 gut read?

I'd be more surprised, but I'm starting to get used to triggering this response with my town play.

[animorpherv1]

@ABR, I wasn't posting that to defend kmd, I was positng it because I think the McGriddle is scummy.

Another farside game kmd played in, for reference, there is 2 scumteams.

[farside22]

Another farside game kmd played in, for reference, there is 2 scumteams.

People love my games so much they come back for more. <3

[ODDin]

What's up with people not getting sarcasm? (reck and evilsnail)

Looking over the game ani provided, I actually see Kmd there has a tendency for longer posts, giving details and providing backup for his actions. Not all of the time, but more than what I see here. If this impression is wrong, correct me and direct to specific locations in the game you have in mind. (I haven't got the time to read 80 pages of game for meta on a single player, mind you.)

Actually, what were you trying to show with that game, ani? Was it a defence of kmd's playstyle or something else entirely? And why is it important to mention that that game was also modded by farside?

[xRECKONERx]

[/sarcasm] tags would be nice.

ODD, are you suggesting the length different in posts regarding KMD's meta makes him look scummy or townie in this game?

[ODDin]

[/sarcasm] tags would be nice.

Read posts 253-258 attentively. Should be pretty obvious that kmd's vote on evilsnail is mostly sarcasm and a jibe directed at me.

ODD, are you suggesting the length different in posts regarding KMD's meta makes him look scummy or townie in this game?

The crux is the "giving details and providing backup for his actions" part of the sentence.
My latest discussion with kmd was, among other things, about him not providing backup for his votes, leaving it to others to find out why he cast his votes. He argued that it was his playstyle. I assumed that ani provided that game in that context - to show that kmd spoke the truth and that it was indeed his playstyle (or maybe to show that kmd lied and that it wasn't his playstyle, I'm really not sure.)
So, I looked over it, and my first impression was that he did provide more reasons for his actions in that game.

Btw, my vote on kmd is mostly because of the whole evilsnail issue, less because of his "playstyle".

[evilsnail]

Careless reading on my part, mostly.

[wolframnhart]

@ABR
I have no problem stating that i voted for pressure (obv since i did) and maybe it is just a difference of style. Tate's response from it and the subsequent three posts from him after my vote has made me keep it on him. Even if it is 11 votes to lynch, four votes is nothing to not worry about, and without any real posting by tate along with his not caring about votes on him makes me believe my vote is in the right place, regardless of how it started out.

[CryMeARiver]

Prod Received: I'm here, just been busy as of late, will do a read through

[iLord]

Oh, Page 4. Ok, definitely should hold onto that all game. I thought it was 1, but I guess it's 4.

Unvote, Vote Evilsnail for my Page 4 gut read.

ODDin, I can't even tell if you can tell that this is sarcastic.

I don't think his vote n ODDin is scummy in itself.

That's true. Him suddenly "changing his playstyle" is very scummy, however.

[evilsnail]

iLord: why exactly is Diamondilium changing his posting style scummy? I don't really see what it accomplishes for scum.