Mafia 110: Mafia in Hell, Michigan (Tied.)

[Ythan]

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... ormal_Game

*A normal game does not have to have any other roles other than Mafia and Townies. If it includes other roles, they should mostly be considered standard, such as Cop, Doctor, Vigilante, Roleblocker, Mason, Traitor, Serial Killer.
*Other (new or otherwise) roles can be included. However, there should be no more than 1-2 of these, and they should be based around the usual game mechanics: Killing, Protecting, Investigating, Voting.

[SaintKerrigan]

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... ormal_Game

*A normal game does not have to have any other roles other than Mafia and Townies. If it includes other roles, they should mostly be considered standard, such as Cop, Doctor, Vigilante, Roleblocker, Mason, Traitor, Serial Killer.
*Other (new or otherwise) roles can be included. However, there should be no more than 1-2 of these, and they should be based around the usual game mechanics: Killing, Protecting, Investigating, Voting.

Are you saying that a Watcher in this game is unlikely? I've seen a normal game with a Tracker, a Supersaint, and a Scum Daytime Rolecop. A Watcher in a this game would not surprise me.

[Ythan]

Do you happen to recall who ran that game? brb checking mod meta

[SaintKerrigan]

Incognito, in Mafia #108.

[SaintKerrigan]

Incidentally, the mod for this game is a player in that game.

[Ythan]

Can't find any Neto games in New York. Checking your link.

[SaintKerrigan]

Can't find any Neto games in New York. Checking your link.

I believe this is Neto's first modded game on this site. I think he has modded games elsewhere, but you'd have to check with him on that.

I doubt you're going to get anywhere trying to outguess the mod, though.

[Ythan]

I can not abide the thought of Dick still in the game at lylo.

[Ythan]

Not a very good question. No, I'd rather have a higher chance of being NKed.

Make this make sense.

why the wait? Haven't enough people posted? If everyone posts, will it increase the likelihood that you'll pick scum to target?

Or are you looking for the most viable target for a mislynch?

This wasn't explained satisfactorily.

Hmmm...I still want to say I see Richard as (bad) town. None of his mistakes seem major,

but subsequent.

What does this mean?

unvote
vote DedicatedScribe
HoS RichardGHP

Given the flimliest of excuses I will move my vote back.

[farside22]

Everyone pay attention to the people going after SK. I think it's a stretch to follow it as hard as they are. I may be wrong or it may be scummy.

What makes you say this?

Case seems to be based entirely on your vote changes, which seemed perfectly reasonable to me in context when you made them and still do now.

How is it perfectly reasonable to thy person who questions everything?
(and yes I mean you ythan)

[crypto]

Watcher is a normal role. I don't like how Ythan's pushing this lynch.

[Netopalis]

Vote Count:


RichardGHP(2) - Molestargazer, Rikenslope
Rikenslope (2) - SaintKerrigan, RichardGHP
Dedicated Scribe (2) - Cirno, Ythan
WRP_Beater (1) - DedicatedScribe
Crypto (1) - Dr. Cyanide
Ace5993 (1) - Lowell
SaintKerrigan (1) - Farside22
Horrordude0215 (1) - Crypto
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Not voting (9): WRP_Beater, Horrordude0215, Nobody Special, ace5993, RayFrost, pman5595, SeptL, Musher333
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Deadline: March 10, 4:00 PM EST
As always, please note any errors in the vote counnt


In response to the question about my tenure, this is my first modded game on this site. I have modded games elsewhere, but I won't be providing links to those games for the purposes of a "mod meta read".

[Netopalis]

An undisclosed player in this game has PMmed me and asked about the range of roles in this game. As most of you can guess, I cannot comment on whether or not a specific role is "normal". The game has been checked by both EmpTyger and Thesp and deemed to be Normal. In short, I will neither confirm nor deny the presence of any role.

[farside22]

Just something reading the wiki doesn't really give a great list on what is normal.
This thread was a great list that many agreed what was considered normal
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13001

As a list mod for open games I consider watcher normal.

[ace5993]

Richard, you are being VERY annoying, please stop now.

On the other hand, I don't think Richard is scum, he's just playing his meta (and has apparently become much more cocky since the last time I read his games).

I am VERY VERY sorry for not posting here before/still providing no real content (I just ISO'd Richard quickly after seeing a mild wagon) but this week has been crazy for me, and the worst part is, I may not have access to a computer this weekend, but I will try my best (I can post on my PSP if necessary). Things should be back to normal on Monday.

[horrordude0215]

y r u so skumy

I'm scummy because I temporarily took my vote off of a claimed PR? Are you trying to get me lynched?

Vote: Crypto

[Lowell]

From the top. I can't believe I have to pay attention to this already:

24- richard asks about outing cops [-, jokish, yet still retarded]
29- farside mocks, then continues, question game [-]
40- horror votes farside for 29
65- ythan tries to move game via questions [+]
71- pman tries cutsie post about scum claims [-]
113- big post from scribe, good, mostly
132- STRONGLY disagree with this post, townlists are awesome
155- farside writes "anti-town" for "awesome" [-, this still vaguely looks like a setup of some kind...]
158- cyanide votes crypto w/ hilarious post [+, just a vibe]
172- saint votes horror
204- molestar offers a nice summary, votes crypto
210s- richard wagon starts to take off
244- strangly timid FOS on rich from musher [-, too shy with his vote]
264- rich leads w/ 4 votes
266- Beater show continues [+, this guy is fireworks, but gives off town vibe]
268- saint switches vote to saint
277- nobody special obsesses over votecount AGAIN, votes beater, promises more action later [-, almost too obvious to be scum. Almost]
278- ythan votes rich [+, Lowell approves]
279- scribe posts longass diatribe to complete simple action of voting for an obvious candidate, beater [-, not buying this]
291- richard OMGUSs ythan [-]
297- crypto votes rich [+, bandwagons have trouble moving in this game]
300s- rich loses his shit
322- farside pays too much attention to me
328- saint comes to senses, unvotes beater and votes rich [+]
329- farside votes saint [-, I actually don't see the problem w/ his vote switch here... this looks like diversion]
342- molestar votes richard
346- rich claims watcher [+, very believable given the circumstances]
350- riken votes richard [-, I think the rich vote was just missed timing, but the rest of the post is opportunistic and lazy-assed]
389- small, but correct, post from ace [+]

Some things:
1) I very very very much believe

richard

's claim, and very much encourage others to do so as well. From the start his frustration had the "can't wait to shove your wrongness in your faces" vibe more than the "caught with my hand in cookie jar" vibe. The timing, as well, makes me think it's true. I don't necessarily think scum wouldn't fake claim with watcher, but I DO think they'd wait until closer to lynch to make that move. I think rich was dying to claim, and honestly, in a game this big, I don't necessarily think it's a terrible idea. Likely there are protective roles out there, and he should survive the night unless they're all idiots (and btw, I'm absolutely directing the doc(s))

2) The

beater

thing is a red herring. This guy is town. I know that's frustrating for some people to read, but just get past it. I know there's WIFOM arguments to be made against him, but he reeks of town if you actually bother to read him. Townpoints for

cyanide

also. Hard to explain.

3)

farside

comments on my playstyle too much. Are we dating or something? Trying to control the storyline on a player is scummy, which she should know, and I should know, as I do, because I know everything about farside. Ask me anything and I'll interpret it (see how scummy that looks?).

fos farside

4)

musher

I can do without. 244 is very strange. Who worries about a 4 person bandwagon in a billion player game? While most of us (read: me) will jump on any bandwagon early, musher is out trying to hold the views that (a) he agrees with the bandwagon, but (b) won't help push it even at such a low level. He clearly wants nothign to do with the rich wagon, but doesn't want us thinking that.

fos musher

5)

fos nobody special

. The last 4 of his 8 total posts have all mentioned (or in some cases being entirely centered on) the vote count. Several of them mention how much time he doesn't have. As well, the "Oh, and vote: beater" rubs me the wrong way, like he's trying too hard to make his vote look like an afterthought. I can't think of a non-scummy reason to be obsessed with the votecount the way he is.

6) Not for nothing, but keep your eye on

molestar

. He's done nothing wrong, and has sort of positioned himself as "that guy who every so often shows up giving observations", which could be worrisome as I think he'll be able to pull it off as long as he wants without much personal danger.

7)

fos scribe

. Just a thought. I guess I don't get the purpose of that long-ass post just to vote for the obvious candidate and FOS the other obvious candidate.

unvote, vote nobody special

. Plenty of good wagons to be had out there. Let's get to it.

[pman5595]

pman5595 wakes up!

Since I never answered them, farside's questions:

Policy lynching:
don't like it. alive Anti town townie is better than dead anti town townie

lurking:
equal imo

activity level. I'm really active when I'm interested, but when I'm bored that shoots down quickly.

rereading through the whole game. Thoughts as I go

cirno is .... weird.

long paragraph incoming:

40 by horrordude seems slightly suspicious, premature at least. Later Noobclaims. By page 4 he seems pretty suspicious, and the unvote under pressure is bad. nothing else really by end of page 4. page 7 now. Don't really get Ythan's beef about Richard and his pr question. Horror is most scummy as of now. At end of page 7 Richard is slightly scummy, his reactions to suspicions were bad. WRP beater's timely entrance is suspicious. Bottom of page 12 now. Beater is pretty scummy looking. Not fully believing Richard's claim, it seems like scum trying to claim something other than vanilla. That said, his other actions haven't been the most scummy in the game so I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

Ok. Finished.

Scummy: Richard, Horror, and WRP_Beater.

Vote: Horrordude

. in 2 games now as scum I got passed off as a noob on day one. This seems VERY similar to those games. He was suspicious and when Richard became the wagon, he votes, and then unvotes when called out AGAIN.

FoS's: Richard and WRP_Beater

[horrordude0215]

He was suspicious and when Richard became the wagon, he votes, and then unvotes when called out AGAIN.

I was suspicious of Richard... I still am (slightly). However, I didn't unvote when called out, I unvoted when he claimed a PR... sorry if I don't like lynching important roles

[pman5595]

He was suspicious and when Richard became the wagon, he votes, and then unvotes when called out AGAIN.

I was suspicious of Richard... I still am (slightly). However, I didn't unvote when called out, I unvoted when he claimed a PR... sorry if I don't like lynching important roles

fair enough, I may have skimmed over it, however, You still unvoted earlier in the thread when called upon, and your original vote on Richard seems to me as an attempted distraction from your wagon.

Also, why do you believe Richard's claim?

[Lowell]

hahah really? pman was reading at the same time as me and that's what he came up with? I f--ing own that kid.

fos pman

[pman5595]

hahah really? pman was reading at the same time as me and that's what he came up with? I f--ing own that kid.

fos pman

"I'm a more skilled mafia player than him. FOS!"

[horrordude0215]

You still unvoted earlier in the thread when called upon

Please show me that post

Your original vote on Richard seems to me as an attempted distraction from your wagon.[/quote]I didn't pay too much attention to my wagon, because I didn't think that it would happen. (Just a feeling I had) My vote on Richard was legit

Also, why do you believe Richard's claim?[/quote]This has already been said by others. He seemed really eager to prove us wrong on his wagon, so his claim sorta makes sense. And it's more of a precaution than anything

[horrordude0215]

Srry, messed up quote tags

[jbernier93]

hahah really? pman was reading at the same time as me and that's what he came up with? I f--ing own that kid.

fos pman

"I'm a more skilled mafia player than him. FOS!"

HAHAHAHAHAHA lowell a "more skilled" player?
No offense lowell.