Last Will Mafia (Over)

[LlamaFluff]

Vote Count

hp [leaves] (6) - Elscouta, The1fifi, CryMeARiver, vikingfan
Gayle (4) - fishythefish, danakillsu, Dr Pepper, DeathRowKitty
ZEEnon (4) - Netlava, Netopalis
Dr Pepper (2) - Amished, Gayle
pwnman (2) - Parama, ortolan
DeathRowKitty (1) - ZEEnon
CryMeARiver (1) - hp [leaves]

Not Voting (7) - sykedoc, raider8169, pwnman, dramonic, DocPotter

dramonic is being replaced
still searching for pwnman replacement

[Amished]

Unvote
Vote: Gayle

Obviously people aren't as swayed by my Dr. Pepper post as I'd like. As I can't say I really agree with anybody voting for hp[leaves]; that gives me pause while Fishy and DRK (especially DRK) made points that reinforced my belief of Gayle-scum.

@DRK: At this point, I think we need to concentrate on lynching scum, no matter what alignment that they might be. It's not like there will be a 2 person scumteam where we can eliminate a night-kill in any case. The more scum we find of any kind, the better our connections will be when we're searching mid/late-game.

[Gayle]

Hey guys, what's happening?

[Dr Pepper]

Things I find Scummy

• hp[leaves] talk about bussing
  
• CMAR electing Yos at the end of day one
  
• DRK backpeddaling his earlier scum list

Things I find Weird

• CMAR's thinking he will be dead tonight

Things I find Townie

• Netlava purposing Gayle was arguing instead of hunting Day 0
  
• raider calling out DRK random 3 scum list
  
• Amished making a rather impressive analysis when replacing
  
• Parama asking CMAR to stop quoting text walls

Conclusions

• Still happy with my Gayle vote
  
• hp[leaves] is also prob scum

Responses

• I apologize for the lurking it was not intentional
  

• Things I find Scummy

  • ZEEnon's trying to get us to ignore tate's alignment

  Blatant misrepresentation.

  Why do you say that would be scummy (ignoring tate's alignment)?

• ZEEnon, I never said panicking was an indicator of alignment
  
• Parama, we wagoned ZEEnon for his connection to ttt

[DeathRowKitty]

@DP
What would be my scum motivation for posting random names for who I find scummy and then backpedaling on half of them?

[Gayle]

@DrPepper:

@DrPepper:

Would you have preferred if I had not responded to Yos and Neto? And which of my posts from day 0 do you find scummy?

[CryMeARiver]

What's with the copying of avatars?

[DeathRowKitty]

I have no idea what you're talking about

[CryMeARiver]

I have no idea what you're talking about

What's DR Pepper's avatar on your screen?

[DeathRowKitty]

I don't know what you're looking at, but his avatar is NOT the same as anyone else's. To accuse him of copying someone else's avatar is a huge misrep.

FoS CMAR

[CryMeARiver]

I don't know what you're looking at, but his avatar is NOT the same as anyone else's. To accuse him of copying someone else's avatar is a huge misrep.

FoS CMAR

ON my computer his avatar is the same as Gayle's almost...except there is a little square on it

[DeathRowKitty]

I don't know why you insist on trying to make DP look bad. Don't make me upgrade that FoS to a vote.

[CryMeARiver]

I don't know why you insist on trying to make DP look bad. Don't make me upgrade that FoS to a vote.

I don't

insist

on crap, I'm one of the few, if not the only, one that said that I liked his style of posting

Anyway, why would I make something like this up? It happened to Gayle earlier in the game (his avatar switched to yours) and now it is happening to DP, with his switching to Gayle's, except with a square over the face

images/avatars/10699.png

[Netopalis]

Well, that was pretty useless. I think that Amished's case on Dr. Pepper is pretty strong...but I think we can do better today. I don't like how ZeeNon hasn't shown up since the suspicion largely left him, and I didn't like his responses to begin with. I find him to be incredibly scummy. As for CMAR...Can someone put together a decent case against him? I'm afraid that I'm not seeing it that much.

[Dr Pepper]

@DrPepper:

Would you have preferred if I had not responded to Yos and Neto? And which of my posts from day 0 do you find scummy?

Responses

• Yes, I would have you rather made your opinions clear, then successfully move on

This is the problem with you strategy guys. We don't need to find "optimal play", we only need to be careful that no particular individual gains too much power. To do that, all we need to do is let each individual decide who their votes go to and trust them to make sure no one player grows too powerful.

• • Seems like you are trying to stifle discussion
  • Optimum strategy should be part of discussion as well as worst case scenario

Also, elect anyone but Yos to mayor (when did we start calling it that?). His reactions are creeping me out.

• • I agree with Neto, you reactions seem unjustified and possibly paranoid

My mind is not made up on Yos, which is why I am

fucking with him

questioning him.

• • Looks like a way to back out of your case in the future
  • You are purposefully unclear with your actions by joking around

Also, just so you know I abuse the word disingenuous. Don't be surprised if you see it in every other post.

• • An excuse for purposeful bad communication
  • Also unnecessary exaggeration

Actually, let's solve this problem: As of PS376, you are now one of my top suspects. Congratulations.

• • A fake attempt at changing the subject
  • I still do not believe your reasoning makes sense

[hp [leaves]]

vote hp

the single vote for tate smells MASSIVELY like a distancing tactic and I haven't seen sufficient reasoning to back up that vote from hp yet. That's my first impression after a reread and an iso from the main suspects.

On day zero, on my first post, I asked people their opinion of giving the extra vote randomly. On my second post, I voted randomly. With the chance above 50%, I thought dice was the best option to trust since it can't be manipulated by scum.

I think that's not a good reason to vote me.

[ortolan]

DRK, why are you deliberately acting scummy?

Dr Pepper fyi your avatar stealing isn't funny and it's kind of annoying/confusing. Not that telling you so will accomplish anything. I don't like your vote on Gayle but I liked your earlier vote on hp[leaves]. That wagon has potential. In fact I'll join it

Unvote
Vote: hp[leaves]

I haven't liked any of his votes thus far (on zEEnon, CMAR or The1fifi) and the "zEEnon is obv-scum" jump at the beginning of the day was hugely opportunistic (he has since repealed it purely to vote The1fifi who I get town vibes from.).

pwnman does need to cease lurking though. The agony of choice.

[hp [leaves]]

Also how is voting someone to get double vote a distancing tactic?

[hp [leaves]]

DRK, why are you deliberately acting scummy?

Dr Pepper fyi your avatar stealing isn't funny and it's kind of annoying/confusing. Not that telling you so will accomplish anything. I don't like your vote on Gayle but I liked your earlier vote on hp[leaves]. That wagon has potential. In fact I'll join it

Unvote
Vote: hp[leaves]

I haven't liked any of his votes thus far (on zEEnon, CMAR or The1fifi) and the "zEEnon is obv-scum" jump at the beginning of the day was hugely opportunistic (he has since repealed it purely to vote The1fifi who I get town vibes from.).

pwnman does need to cease lurking though. The agony of choice.

How is stating someone is lurking and then voting him more scummy than saying that you're joining the lurker wagon and voting him? My vote had achieved what I wanted it to achieve and then I moved my vote to the guy who I thought was scummy.

[ortolan]

you didn't vote zEEnon for lurking, you voted him for his "scummy" interactions day one, and I disagree and think if anything they were "anti scummy".

[hp [leaves]]

Thank god we can vote to lynch now.

So, as we all hate lurkers and the guys buddying scum; here's a lynch candidate that you'll all agree on!

Vote ZEEnon(aka obvscum)

Also CryMeARiver is his scummate and is bussing him.

[ortolan]

you voted someone who I have a conditional town read on. This alone isn't that much. You've made three bad votes now though.

[hp [leaves]]

I don't think voting a lurker to increase his activity is a bad choice.

I don't think voting people doing things that don't have pro-town motives is a bad choice.

I don't think voting someone to force to explain his vote is a bad choice.

[ortolan]

I don't think voting a lurker to increase his activity is a bad choice.

Again, this was not the sole reason you gave for voting him.

I don't think voting people doing things that don't have pro-town motives is a bad choice.

Well, in theory, this is true. But in this game how do you know for sure he doesn't have "pro-town motives"? The only scenarios where someone might definitely lack "pro-town motives" are either when they're scum or when they're deliberately being destructive to the other players. To establish this you actually need to show what the "lack of pro-town motives" is based on, and provide a good argument for it, which you have not done.

I don't think voting someone to force to explain his vote is a bad choice.

Not necessarily, but when the vote in question is one on you, then one might say you have at least equal motivation for the "OMGUS" move as scum than as town.

[hp [leaves]]

Again, this was not the sole reason you gave for voting him.

Adel once said people are likely to name people who they have inside information about. zEEnon put his first vote for tttt. It doesn't help that he tried to convert people's votes to tttt for "being town".

Well, in theory, this is true. But in this game how do you know for sure he doesn't have "pro-town motives"? The only scenarios where someone might definitely lack "pro-town motives" are either when they're scum or when they're deliberately being destructive to the other players. To establish this you actually need to show what the "lack of pro-town motives" is based on, and provide a good argument for it, which you have not done.

I already showed that his d0 vote on tttt has no pro-town motives.

Not necessarily, but when the vote in question is one on you, then one might say you have at least equal motivation for the "OMGUS" move as scum than as town.

Do I have to let him slip by with giving no reasoning just because he voted

me

?