Jack wrote: Bub Bidderskins wrote:EBWOP: *facepalm* I meant Secret Service agent
.
Interesting, let's go through it.
Bub votes me for copying and pasting the answers (44)
I explain in (45) and ask him why he thinks it's suspicious in (46)
In (48) I post the explanation for the 2nd time, in response to a direct question
In (69)
Bub wrote:At this point Jack is so anti-town that he is unlikely to be scum. No scum in his right mind would openly deny information that could be helpful to the town.
However, until you are willing to explain more as to why you copy and pasted votes and what makes you think there's a CIA-serial killer, then my vote will remain on you.
I'm not likely to be scum, he just wants answers (one of these was answered already, twice in fact. He even says "votes" instead of "answers)
In (91)
Bub Bidderskins wrote:The point is that usually when somebody is so blatantly anti-town, then they're probably not scum, because scum isn't that stupid.
I'm voting for Jack to try and get answers.
However, if it comes down to it I'll lynch him, mainly because I don't want it in the end-game if he goes on to ruin it regardless of whether he's scum or not. Also, if you noticed in the game above, all of the scum (including me) were on Stuart's wagon. That was because he was such an easy lynch that day. That leads me to believe that pwn and Jason are scummy. Neto had decent reasons for his vote, but the others come off as opurtunistic scum, especially pwn. FOS: Pwn
The first sentence of the 2nd paragraph is a doozy. "Jack probably isn't scum, but I'll lynch him because I don't want him in endgame regardless of whether he's scum or not"???
He thinks pwn and jason are scummy, especially pwn.
(108) has some strangeness.
While I can see that possibly the secret service agent is the serial killer and the lawyers are the mafia, but how do you know that to be the case.
He still just wants me to answer. But note that this assumes no CIA agent. He's assuming that I know the secret service agent is the serial killer. He also thinks the lawyers are mafia for some reason.
(125)
Jack's play has gone far and beyond what is "normal" anti-town play.
He is refusing to answer questions, and (as has been just mentioned) the whole CIA agent thing looks like a scum slip. He then tried to ride out the wave by just playing poorly. Right now, I don't see any reason why we shouldn't lynch Jack
This looks like he is deciding to join the bandwagon. Everything he is listing as suspicious is things he just wanted answers to earlier, and things that he thought made me "probably not scum".
He is claiming that the CIA agent thing is a scumslip, but he has already shown that he doesn't believe there is a CIA agent.
(148)
I simply wanted answers. However, his outright refusal to give any, and several good points that Net and others have brought up
(such as the CIA thing)
have all but confirmed my
original ickling of suspision.
This is where Bub looks the most scummy.
He was obviously just pushing for answers early on, and he thought I was probably not scum. But he decided to join the wagon. He claims to have suspected me originally (contradicts what he's said many times). And he thinks the "CIA thing" is a good point, despite the fact that he has shown several times (including in the latest post) that he
doesn't believe there is a CIA agent in the setup
.
Summary:
His accusations are sloppy, often ignoring that they have already been answered, and he mixes up words.
Does a rapid about face when it looks like I'm in danger of being lynched (his posts imply that he thinks I
will
be lynched
Conclusion: bandwagoning scum
unvote:pwnman, vote:Buba Budderskins
Okay, where do I start...
1.
Bub votes me for copying and pasting the answers (44)
I explain in (45) and ask him why he thinks it's suspicious in (46)
In (48) I post the explanation for the 2nd time, in response to a direct question
You never explained why you did it. From what I can gather in 45, you did because you could, am I right? Well, the result was that you ended up dodging all the questions, which is very scummy indeed.
2.
In (69)
Bub wrote:At this point Jack is so anti-town that he is unlikely to be scum. No scum in his right mind would openly deny information that could be helpful to the town.
However, until you are willing to explain more as to why you copy and pasted votes and what makes you think there's a CIA-serial killer, then my vote will remain on you.
I'm not likely to be scum, he just wants answers (one of these was answered already, twice in fact. He even says "votes" instead of "answers)
As stated above, you still haven't really answered the question which you "answered already". As far as the votes and answers thing, that was a simple mistake and means nothing.
3.
In (91)
Bub Bidderskins wrote:The point is that usually when somebody is so blatantly anti-town, then they're probably not scum, because scum isn't that stupid.
I'm voting for Jack to try and get answers.
However, if it comes down to it I'll lynch him, mainly because I don't want it in the end-game if he goes on to ruin it regardless of whether he's scum or not. Also, if you noticed in the game above, all of the scum (including me) were on Stuart's wagon. That was because he was such an easy lynch that day. That leads me to believe that pwn and Jason are scummy. Neto had decent reasons for his vote, but the others come off as opurtunistic scum, especially pwn. FOS: Pwn
The first sentence of the 2nd paragraph is a doozy. "Jack probably isn't scum, but I'll lynch him because I don't want him in endgame regardless of whether he's scum or not"???
He thinks pwn and jason are scummy, especially pwn.
Will I remind you that it was post 91. It was very early in the game, and there were no votes on you. I just wanted answers, and I didn't intend on carrying that forward to a lynch at that time. Now, however, with your "answers", I do want to see you lynched.
4.
(108) has some strangeness.
While I can see that possibly the secret service agent is the serial killer and the lawyers are the mafia, but how do you know that to be the case.
He still just wants me to answer. But note that this assumes no CIA agent. He's assuming that I know the secret service agent is the serial killer. He also thinks the lawyers are mafia for some reason.
This post was mainly hypothetical, and based on the assumption that the jurors are the town (which may or may not be true, though the "vanilla juror" does lead one to think that the jurors are town).
If that holds true, then it just makes common-sense that the lawyers are mafians and the Secret Service agent is an SK (i.e. attorney goon/attorney roleblocker), because the Secret Service agent is by himself while the lawyers are in league. I could be wrong of course, but that's just my take on the set-up.
5.
(125)
Jack's play has gone far and beyond what is "normal" anti-town play.
He is refusing to answer questions, and (as has been just mentioned) the whole CIA agent thing looks like a scum slip. He then tried to ride out the wave by just playing poorly. Right now, I don't see any reason why we shouldn't lynch Jack
This looks like he is deciding to join the bandwagon. Everything he is listing as suspicious is things he just wanted answers to earlier, and things that he thought made me "probably not scum".
He is claiming that the CIA agent thing is a scumslip, but he has already shown that he doesn't believe there is a CIA agent.
Do I really have to walk you through the difference between "the CIA thing" and "me believing that there is a CIA agent". The CIA agent is the whole thing where you said that there was a CIA agent. Saying that it is a scum slip doesn't mean that I have to "believe in a CIA agent". It's not like the CIA have a church or anything
.
As far as my suspision is concerned, I find you suspisious now because of the "answers" that you
gave
failed to give just made you look like genuine scum.
6.
(148)
I simply wanted answers. However, his outright refusal to give any, and several good points that Net and others have brought up
(such as the CIA thing)
have all but confirmed my
original ickling of suspision.
This is where Bub looks the most scummy.
He was obviously just pushing for answers early on, and he thought I was probably not scum. But he decided to join the wagon. He claims to have suspected me originally (contradicts what he's said many times). And he thinks the "CIA thing" is a good point, despite the fact that he has shown several times (including in the latest post) that he
doesn't believe there is a CIA agent in the setup
.
For the whole CIA deal, see number 5. As far as me joining the wagon,
how can I join a wagon that I started?
If you recall, I was the first vote on the wagon.
As far as having no suspision, while for some reason I am unable to find "ickling" in the dictionary (lol at that), I'm reasonably sure that it means very little. I never said that you were completely devoid of suspision at the beginning, I just said that I had very little suspision on you. Note the difference.
In the end, this whole, super-sized mega post that he made makes many logical and deductive errors as I have pointed out. However, all it really is is an elaborate attept to conceal a pure OMGUS vote in order to try and throw suspision off of him and on to me.