926 A Game of Thrones Mafia - Over.

[TheButtonmen]

@Seacore;

A) don't dismiss scummy behaviour because of who it comes from, B) list something scummy I did and a helpful reaction you've got from my wagon. The days running down, at least get good milage out of my wagon.

[Seacore]

A) You misunderstand me, I'm not dismissing scummy behaviour. I'm interpreting it in line with what I've seen from him before. The very fact that he hasn't come back online and changed his vote to you makes me think town, not scum.

B) Several things; they aren't huge, but they rarely are day 1.
1-Your flip on the name claim without giving a decent reason to why you were suddenly okay with it.
2- Mina's points are valid, you seemed to go for easy targets
3 - Your attack on Locke, compared to Buttonmen. Yes Locke was posting little, but his posts had opinions and substance in them, compared to Heilo's.
4 - I don't like the way you're picking at a single point of Locke's case, dismissed Mina's points out of hand and aren't actually building an alternate case.

[Faraday]

Vote Count 1.11: The

'I wanna see him fly (god I hope that child dies soon)'

votecount.

Bogre (1) - [The Inquisition]
TheButtonMen (4) [Mina, MacavityLock, Raivann, Seacore]
Seacore (1) [xvart]
Heilograph (3) [ Kinetic. TheButtonmen, Locke Lamora]
No Lynch (1)[Heilograph]

Not voting:

(2) [ Bogre, Miserable At Best]


With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline: March 3rd @ 6pm GMT and you need a full majority to lynch.

Prodding the Inquisition too I guess, just to remind him.

Happy Birthday Seacore!

[TheButtonmen]

1 -I was worried about the noise / content ratio. It got to the point where I would have advocated pretty much anything to get people posting.
2 -What easy targets did I go for?
3- FFS, When did I Attack/Make a case on Locke/ Look at him funny. Him and you have homework, ISO me and explain how and when I "attacked" him.
4- Gonna be honesy, A)What Locke case are you even talking about, B)Her points are poop, C) No point making a case I'm todays lynch there isn't time to lynch anyone else, (Barring Helio if 2 people switch to him.)

[Seacore]

1- The vote was close, particularly at that point, you could have voted Nay and ended the noise just as easily. Yet you completely reversed your opinion without stating why at the time.
2- ISO 1

Apologies, I hadn't seen the game start.

FOS: Kinetic

, as people have already said Mass name claiming i entirely worthless with this setting and he keeps pushing for it. He's also voting for someone who didn't even confirm not one of the people who has confirmed but never posted.

Vote:Locke Lamora

for being first on the list of people not posting yet.

Jumping on the Kinetic suspicion wagon, and then voting Locke for a fairly easy reason.

3- ISO 10

He's also made no contribution whatsoever. ISO him to your horror.
....
A

vote for Heilograph

Is a vote against no lynch, lurking and useless players. Join me, in this brave new future.

You want Horror try ISOing Locke Lamora.

You ignore the fact that I say "he's made no contribution" as I"m saying he's not just lurking, but doing nothing at all. I would say that this is at least "looking at him funny" and potentially "making a case on him"

4- Locke is concerned about the fact you don't even want to talk about the content of his posts compared to the content of Heilo's posts. I disagree that her points are 'poop'. And you're making me feel better about you being lynched because this way we're lynching a slightly scummy usless town, rather than just a useless town. If you weren't useless, you'd be trying to convince us to lynch somebody else. Even if you're going down, you can at least leave us with some points to try and win the game.

Finally. I don't think any of these points mean you are obv-scum. I don't see too many obv-scum day 1. But you're the best we've got.

[TheButtonmen]

1. Not really anything I can add to that.
2. Lurker voting is a scumtell?
3. ...You serious? You think me saying "You want Horror try ISOing Locke Lamora." is building a case? You can't be that dumb, so now I have to wonder why your pushing it that hard.
4. Why would I compare and contrast Locke's to Helios?
4.5 - Her points are in my first post I voted for a lurker and FoS'ed a guy asking for mass name claim at the start of D1, That isn't a case, that isn't even analysis. So yes her points are useless/nonexistant.
4.75- Yes, one of the few players actually posting is the useless one, amazing logic, I'm not trying to start another wagon as we don't have time and no lynch is unacceptable.

[Seacore]

Sigh,

You must be purposefully misreading posts, not just mine but others.

Can you find anybody else that's even slightly as scummy as you?

I'm not over the moon that you're our lynch today, but you're by far the best we've got. And you're getting better every post.

I'm not "pushing that hard" I'm stating that I'm voting for you and following up with why. The scum tells are slight, but I declare they are scummy.

I've ISO'd you at your request and either one of two things is true
1) You've made really lame cases against other players and then won't back them up
2) (And this is the one that you actually suggest) You've posted a lot but haven't made cases against people. Posting to post is a common scum tactic.

Anyway, I'm over this, I feel even more comfortable about lynching you now, thanks.

[xvart]

If I was in your shoes, I'd be more suspicious of him turning up scum now that I've 'jumped ship', maybe I was distancing but didn't actually want to kill him. That would have been an argument I could have respected. But you've assumed that I was pushing for town to lynch a useless town member and when it became even more likely that he would be lynched, I got nervous and backed off?

Interesting scenario, all things considered. You neglected to realize that the one constant in both my scenario and yours is that you are scum; so I guess for the sake of your argument, I'll figure out if you were distancing yourself after you flip scum. Thanks for building a case on yourself, though I don't think it was necessary.

a) Why would scum want a useless town lynched?
b) If I did want that useless town lynched, as a scum, why would I back off when it became more likely?
c) Why do you assume that I'm scum worried about a town being lynched rather than a scum worried about a scum being lynched?

a) because it is an easy town lynch with a somewhat good excuse;
b) I think you backed off because he became an "obv-VI" and thus "obv-town";
c) as I've said, it appears that you became worried that he was too obvious town.

And you're making me feel better about you being lynched because this way we're lynching a slightly scummy usless town, rather than just a useless town.

Whoops! Scum slip much?

xvart.

[TheButtonmen]

@Seacore:

Why did you claim VT during D1? That's scummy as hell.

[TheButtonmen]

There's literally no benefit to town, claiming like that only helps scum.

[Seacore]

Oh my god xvart.

Your tunneling is at a ridiculous level.

But lets go through it in points.

1) Of course in your scenario I'm scum because you're tunelling me. And I answered within your scenario, I don't think it would be a very productive conversation if it was "you're scum" "no I'm not"

2) So scum seacore can back off when somebody becomes obv-VI, but town seacore can't? Interesting scum tell.

Finally, how is this a scum slip? I've already said several times that I wasn't happy about the Buttonmen lynch, but he seemed to be the best lynch of the day, given our time frames. My recent conversation with him has made me actually happy for the lynch, but that was after that quote.

[Seacore]

I felt the VT claim would help us move towards a beneficial name claim. That's why I did it. So there is a benefit to the town. You can agree or disagree with whether it worked, but in my opinion, it was for the town's benefit.

I like how you've waited this long to scum hunt, too.

[TheButtonmen]

Why so upset people questioning you?

Oh my god xvart.

Your tunneling is at a ridiculous level.

Lol?

@Everyone:

ISO Xvart, then say he's just been tunneling Seacore with a straight face.

Also I'd love an explination how a uncalled for claim of VT helps town, absoutly love it.

[Faraday]

Vote Count 1.12: The

'Some dead man'

votecount.

Bogre (1) - [The Inquisition]

TheButtonMen (5) [Mina, MacavityLock, Raivann, Seacore]

Seacore (1) [xvart]
Heilograph (3) [ Kinetic. TheButtonmen, Locke Lamora]
No Lynch (1)[Heilograph]
Not voting:(2) [ Bogre, Miserable At Best]


With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline: March 3rd @ 6pm GMT and you need a full majority to lynch.


Happy Birthday Seacore!

[Seacore]

So you don't want to read my posts, Buttonmen?

1) Buttonmen is tunnelling me because he explains my actions as scum tells when a town would do the exact same thing.
e.g. I'm scum because I was voting for Heilo until he did something that was obv-town, and then I switched my vote. Even though a town would and should do the exact same thing. That's tunnelling.

2) I just explained how I felt that my VT claim was justified. A single VT claim to persuade the town to move towards a name claim that I felt would benefit the town.

[TheButtonmen]

I like how you've waited this long to scum hunt, too.

People actually posting makes it easier to scum hunt.

[Seacore]

EBWOP

Sorry,

1) Should be Xvart, not Buttonmen

[Seacore]

I like how you've waited this long to scum hunt, too.

People actually posting makes it easier to scum hunt.

I VT Claimed on the 20th of February, and you've chosen to discuss it now.

Next excuse please.

[Heilograph]

So I'm taking it that your Not the real vt but a scum man behind this plot to have us town killed off one by one while trying to engage us in a convrsation about who you plan to kill today?

[TheButtonmen]

1) Buttonmen is tunnelling me because he explains my actions as scum tells when a town would do the exact same thing.

Normally when your making a case agianst someone the base prosumption is that they are scum.

[Kinetic]

Mod: Check votes on buttonmen

It looks like we have either a shadow or double voter. Be careful, that could either be a town or scum ability depending on which one it is.

[Seacore]

Wow Heilo, just wow.

Its called Mafia.

Normally, players engage in a discussion about who to lynch. They discuss this as a group, looking for evidence in past posts and actions.

Your tactic of posting nothing of substance, voting for a no lynch and allowing the scum to do whatever they want is interesting, but ultimately, will get us nowhere.

So your accusation of me boils down to me being scum who has a devious plot of discussing lynches with his fellow players, having the town killed off one by one, despite the fact that I have a single vote and players can make up their own minds?

[Faraday]

Votecount is correct

[Seacore]

Kinetic, I don't think it can be a double voter, because the previous vote count had the same players on the list with a 4
So its either a mistake or a shadow.

Buttonmen- I have no problem with people assuming that I'm scum while building a case on me. But providing a scum tell that is explainable in the exact same way if I'm town, is not a scum tell, it's evidence of tunnelling.

[Heilograph]

Idk there I's an extra vote in button and you seem oh very happy in lynching him.. Maybe u have 2 votes and yes players can make up there own minds but persuading them will cause them to agree with your idea.