Mini 931: Supreme Court Mafia (Game Over post 682)

[DarkLightA]

Guys, can't you see that Jack has practically

claimed

SK? IMHO it's a good bet.

[Battousai]

Vote Count:

Jack -4- pwnman, jasonT1981, Netopalis, DarkLightA
pwnman -3- Fishythefish, Dry-fit, pman5595
Yosarian2 -1- Darox
Bub Bidderskins -1- Jack

Not Voting:

Yosarian2, Green Crayons, Bub Bidderskins

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!

[Yosarian2]

Guys, can't you see that Jack has practically

claimed

SK? IMHO it's a good bet.

Um, no. No, he didn't, at all.

[Fishythefish]

@DLA: why is Jack scum? In particular, which of Jack's posts benefit scumJack more than townJack?

[DarkLightA]

@DLA: why is Jack scum? In particular, which of Jack's posts benefit scumJack more than townJack?

NO NO NO NO NO!!!!
He's not SCUM! He's 3rd party SERIAL KILLER!!!

The CIA agent is the serial killer obviously, but who are the mafia?

Here, he says he has knowledge of a CIA agent in the game, who is "obviously" a SK.

So, going on, he refers to:

(...) but the only people in the room that are not justices are the two attorneys and the secret service agent.

And points to the SS agent being his SK.

So, here's my read:

Jack got a pm like this:

"You are a serial killer. Your role name is a CIA agent."

He goes on to accidentally post this in-topic.

He realizes his mistake, and keeps it "undisclosed" for a while, and then finds an excuse in the mod's post.

Understandable?

[Darox]

There is no third party serial killer in this set up.

I am 100% sure of this fact.

[Bub Bidderskins]

There is no third party serial killer in this set up.

I am 100% sure of this fact.

How do you know that?

[Dry-fit]

@DLA: why is Jack scum? In particular, which of Jack's posts benefit scumJack more than townJack?

NO NO NO NO NO!!!!
He's not SCUM! He's 3rd party SERIAL KILLER!!!

Scum is often used as a generic term for all antitown factions.

If you still think Jack made an SKslip, you haven't been reading the thread.

[Battousai]

Netopalis and Jack have been prodded

[Netopalis]

Still here, just haven't seen a great deal to comment on. I'll look back over things again, though.

[Jack]

I'm fairly confident in bub as scum. Was waiting around to see if anyone else picked up on it. I'm the only one voting him...

[Yosarian2]

@DLA: why is Jack scum? In particular, which of Jack's posts benefit scumJack more than townJack?

NO NO NO NO NO!!!!
He's not SCUM! He's 3rd party SERIAL KILLER!!!

The CIA agent is the serial killer obviously, but who are the mafia?

Here, he says he has knowledge of a CIA agent in the game, who is "obviously" a SK.

So, going on, he refers to:

(...) but the only people in the room that are not justices are the two attorneys and the secret service agent.

And points to the SS agent being his SK.

So, here's my read:

Jack got a pm like this:

"You are a serial killer. Your role name is a CIA agent."

He goes on to accidentally post this in-topic.

He realizes his mistake, and keeps it "undisclosed" for a while, and then finds an excuse in the mod's post.

Understandable?

That makes no sense as a theory.

No one has ever accidentally said "the CIA agent is the serial killer", in the history of ever. Also, there is no CIA agent in the setup according to the mod. We don't even have any evidence that there is a SK, and your whole theory seem vastly less likely then Jack's explanation.

[Yosarian2]

I'm fairly confident in bub as scum. Was waiting around to see if anyone else picked up on it. I'm the only one voting him...

Yeah, he totally is. Let's do this.

Vote:Bub Bidderskins

[DarkLightA]

Where did the mod state that there isn't a CIA or SK?

[jasonT1981]

Back from V/LA later on this evening/ tomorrow morning... just thought I would check in as I have not posted in a few days.

[Netopalis]

DLA: Reread the thread.

[Fishythefish]

I think it's fairly clear that the theory advanced by DLA in 204 makes no sense. It's time to

unvote, vote: Bub B

[Netopalis]

So, I finally got around to looking at Bub in iso. I have a few interesting points.

1) Note how he says that Jack is town before I start hammering on Jack; he changes his position rather quickly then. Why? I can't find a good reason in the thread. Looks to me like an attempt to appear to be more town.


2) Read the following quote carefully.

Given the Researcher role, 5 votes could be L-1 for Jack or any other player. Noone should put people on 6 votes unless they are prepared to hammer a wagon.

Yes, that's a very good point, given the nature of the set-up. It would probably be a lawyer (because lawyers have to do a ton of research), but then that means that either one of the justices has to be scum (possible godfather), or that the CIA agent is teamed up with the other lawyer, or both.

This seems to imply that he knows that the researcher is town. How does he know this? Is it because

he's scum and knows all of the roles that scum have?

See, when I read it, I thought first that it was probably more of a scum-aligned role.

I'm going to do a quick votecount and make sure that my vote won't hammer, because I'm not ready for that quite yet...

[Netopalis]

Unvote, vote: Bub Budderskins

That's 4. It's either L-2 or L-1, depending on whether he was researched or not.

[DarkLightA]

DLA: Reread the thread.

I have, and can't find that flipping thing. Where has the MOD stated that there IS NOT a CIA agent or a SERIAL KILLER?

[Fishythefish]

In the opening post, the mod gives a complete list of all roles in the game: some justices, a secret service agent and two lawyers. There is no general information about the presence or otherwise of a SK.

[DarkLightA]

Okay, I wouldn't think you'd base it upon that, but anyway:

"a secret service agent"

Jack interpreted THIS EXACT STATEMENT as:

"the CIA agent is obviously SK"

Now compare those to my case posted above.

[pman5595]

ok couple things.

First, Darox, why is your vote still on Yosarian? that was from the RVS.

Second, I would go to bud, but as there is the possibility of him being researched, I would like a claim first, then I will vote if that doesn't change anything.

[Netopalis]

In the opening post, the mod gives a complete list of all roles in the game: some justices, a secret service agent and two lawyers. There is no general information about the presence or otherwise of a SK.

Fishy: Let me go ahead and throw out there that I have reason to believe that there are other people involved. I'd rather not say more, though.

[jasonT1981]

Re: The SK yes/no - I think playing guess the mod and setup is a dangerous idea, it takes away from actual scum hunting in my opinion... and experience.

The only way we can know for sure if there is another killer that is not scum alligned is tomorrow depending on the number of kills.

More later hopefully when I get a chance to check back in.