Mafia 110: Mafia in Hell, Michigan (Tied.)

[Ythan]

Really, apart from the first point that all falls under strange voting pattern.

[SaintKerrigan]

Kerrigan
1 RV on confirmed scum.
* Wishy washy voting.
40 I thought you had vibes on Dude.
42 Ace, active lurking, really?
46 Unvoting when he's replaced? So was it a scummy vote or a policy vote?

40 I

had

vibes on Dude. They mostly went away.
42 It looked like active lurking to me.
46 I unvoted because I wanted to give the replacement something to say. Also, I unvoted because I wasn't going to be around for awhile and I didn't want my vote to be stuck on someone (I got a townie lynched before because I forgot to take my vote off while away).

[Rikenslope]

Morning all...

So Richard is gone and so is Crypto.

One townie, one mafia.

Not bad for a night 1...I guess. Although I could have done without seeing a townie PR gone so quickly. I am going to re-read day one and come up with a more substantive post a little later.

[Ythan]

I have trouble seeing Mr. Four Posts as active anything.

[SaintKerrigan]

I have trouble seeing Mr. Four Posts as active anything.

Yeah, but wasn't it convenient that one of those four posts was to put a vote on Horrordude? A townie?

[Ythan]

An unconfirmed townie, at that time.

[Unsight]

- "Head not in game" post in very poor taste
Explain.

It reads like "Please excuse my scummy behavior, <insert excuse>" to me.

You may as well have said "I'm sorry I acted scummy, I had a cold" and it would have the same effect.

I don't buy that. Scummy behavior is scummy behavior. You don't simply get to make an excuse and walk away from it. The fact that you seemingly tried to is very poor taste.

[farside22]

- Voting without explanation
People do that as town. Although as time goes by, when reasons exist and none are produced, then there's cause for concern.

Then why did you vote for Ace?

[SaintKerrigan]

Then why did you vote for Ace?

For active lurking and placing a vote on a popular wagon that turned out to be a townie.

An unconfirmed townie, at that time.

So? It was a popular bandwagon, and Ace specifically made a post to put a vote on Horrordude. Knowing now that Horror was town makes the move even more scummy.

@ Unsight: What you do with my explanation is your business. I was explaining myself, no more, no less. If you think it was bad, then so be it.

[Ythan]

jesus didn't realize this was page 5. haven't read. I'll go back and find reasons ace is scummy or die trying.

Christ 13 pages in a day and a half? I'll probably just end up supporting whatever wagon is leading. Give me some time.

This, immediately followed by content-heavy activity, gives me headaches. I'm putting you in a corner until we work out the easier problems.

[RichardGHP]

RichardGHP,

Town Watcher

Bah.

Town has this in the bag.

[Ythan]

Bah.

Town has this in the bag.

Playing town.

[Unsight]

@ Unsight: What you do with my explanation is your business. I was explaining myself, no more, no less. If you think it was bad, then so be it.

I do think it was bad and as such it's among my reasons for voting to lynch you.

What do you think though? If you saw someone else trying to pull the same stunt, would you just write it off?

And when you ask me to explain something and I do, I'd like to see something more than just a "Fine, whatever" post. You're my top suspect and though I feel good about lynching you already, when you make these kinds of responses it makes me feel even better about lynching you.

[Ythan]

Believe me, I'm a VT. Why would I lie when I am daykilled? You've just wasted a daykill.

I read this as very not genuine.

[SaintKerrigan]

Believe me, I'm a VT. Why would I lie when I am daykilled? You've just wasted a daykill.

I read this as very not genuine.

I agree with you.

[Rikenslope]

Ok after reading I have a question:

@SK: Day one I voted for Richard, due to a simultaneous post of him claiming a PR and me voting for him. You jumped on me with an instant vote.

Urgh. Unvote: RichardGHP. Vote: Rikenslope. Why is your vote on someone who just claimed a power role?

Yet later on you clearly pointed out that you thought Richard was still scummy and that you just didn't want to waste a day one lynch on him.

@ Konowa: Right now, I think Ace is scum for active lurking and saying he wasn't caught up yet put a vote on Horrordude (the leading bandwagon). Richard is still high on my suspect list, but I'd rather not lynch him today. WRP_Beater's behavior reads scummish to me.

This leads me to believe that either you were either going to try to possibly start a case on him soon or that you knew that he was going to be lynched.

Ace at that point only had like 3 post so I don't really see him being active at all (Not like I have much room to talk) and Beater was getting votes flip-flopped back and forth on and off himself.

But now Richard is dead. So could you explain the difference to me between my voting for him without seeing the PR claim and your seeing the PR claim and still finding him scummy enough to make him one of your Top 3 suspects?

Aside Hi to the new players.

[SaintKerrigan]

What do you think though? If you saw someone else trying to pull the same stunt, would you just write it off?

Depends on how good the excuse was.

[Ythan]

1. SaintKerrigan
4. WRP_Beater
6. RichardGHP

9. horrordude0215

Dude today, reevaluate cases on Kerrigan, Beater, and Richard tomorrow?

Dick and dude are dead. I'm gonna go with SK today.

vote SaintKerrigan

[SaintKerrigan]

@ Rikenslope: I didn't notice that it was a simulpost, so I thought you'd read the claim and voted for Richard anyway. I believe I outlined earlier that I prefer to not lynch claimed power roles on Day 1. At the same time, I still felt Richard was scummy. But since he claimed a power role, I was disinclined to want to lynch him. I would've preferred to keep him around and let him get results for us to judge by. Of course, I wasn't expecting the mafia to kill him, or things would've been different.

As for your vote on him, I thought it was done in spite of seeing the power role claim, and that made me suspicious of you. Now that I know it was simul, my suspicion of you has dropped considerably.

[Unsight]

Believe me, I'm a VT. Why would I lie when I am daykilled? You've just wasted a daykill.

I read this as very not genuine.

Beater said a lot of stupid and insincere things on Day 1. Anyone who reads his ISO should be disgusted by it. None of that is news though. If someone has been paying even slight attention to this thread, they should have noticed that Beater provides no content and makes stupid/scummy remarks.

Despite that, it feels like you just took a random sentence that could have been from any of his posts and just put it out there to potentially restart his wagon. You're not forcefully trying to restart it, but rather just dropping bait to see if anyone picks it up (like SK just did).

Either you're scum baiting the town to another mislynch or you're town baiting scum into restarting the Beater wagon. Well I guess the third option is that I'm giving you way too much credit.

[jbernier93]

jbernier93: Why did you vote for horror for weak reason? Why blame ythan for his hard push when there were others (you, ace, lowell) that said next to nothing but still voted for horror.

I don't mean it was a bad lynch, I'm referring to the fact that Ythan had to be an asshole about it.

[Ythan]

At the start of each day in any game I review each living player. Just a habit.

[farside22]

@SK: 4 post is actively lurking?

I'm just curious what people define as actively lurking.

[Riddick]

Yeah, you can't be ACTIVE lurking with 4 posts surely. You're just lurking? Right??

[SaintKerrigan]

@SK: 4 post is actively lurking?

I'm just curious what people define as actively lurking.

I called it active lurking because Ace was aware enough of the game to place a vote on a popular bandwagon, but wasn't doing much else besides that.