926 A Game of Thrones Mafia - Over.

[TheButtonmen]

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[TheButtonmen]

More content after I do a bit of reread on D1.

[Seacore]

I'm torn between Mina and TheButtonmen

So for now I'll FOS them both, but I'll be VLA for a couple more days

[Seacore]

Also, sorry Inq.

You have armour? Samwell Tarly has armour? Explain the flavour please.

[The Inquisition]

Also, sorry Inq.

You have armour? Samwell Tarly has armour? Explain the flavour please.

There's not a ton in the way of flavor on it. I'm in King's landing (yes, sam is in king's landing) because the night watch have a stake in what's going on (yes, it says this despite the watch being neutral and supposedly not playing favorites in the game of thrones). As a precaution I'm wearing armor. Then it goes into my abilities. That's it.

[Kinetic]

Hmm, this flip (as well as Inq's revelation) changes a lot of things. My original theory might not be too far off, but it looks like there are some people who might have "other" reasons for being at King's Landing.

Going to go over a few things before I make a post.

[MacavityLock]

Rai, why question The Inquisition specifically to start the day?

[Raivann]

Rai, why question The Inquisition specifically to start the day?

Because I need more info on him.

I'm having a hard time getting a read on him.

[Mina]

(xvart lied about his character name? I see why he did it--and I wish Seacore had one-tenth of xvart's common sense--but that could have majorly backfired.)

Since neither xvart nor Inquisition was under any suspicion (and would have made poor vig targets), I think it's likely that there's an SK or two Mafia families out there. I'd guess one two-person Mafia family and one SK. (If someone vigged xvart or Inq last night, please claim.)

That said, I can see very, very good reasons for why a player who has reasons to believe there are two killing factions would lie and claim bulletproof. And something about the flavour sounds fishy.

A question to mafiascum players: is it common for mods to inform bulletproof players if they've been targeted?

Inquisition, please answer the following questions:

1-What changed between this:

The thing about nameclaiming is that while I don't think it'll help us decide alignment, it may well out power roles. I find it far more likely that Faraday has given major characters power roles and more minor ones vanilla than I do that we can guess anything about alignment from a name claim. Obviously outing power roles is negative at this point.

This said, I don't get the impression Kinetic is anything less than sincere, and simply being wrong about the correct strategy is not necessarily scummy.

And this:

My bad. I had actually made a post yesterday but the internet went down and it was lost in the tubes.

I'll vote yes to the name claim if for no other reason than I think it'll make the quasi-role play thing more fun.

So you thought the nameclaim was a bad idea strategically...but when people started agreeing with the idea, you changed your mind because it would be fun? Even though we were already out of the roleplay stage? Are you kidding me?

2-Why did you reveal that you have another bulletproof shot? There is no protown motivation for doing so.

Aak, I wanted to question Buttonmen, but now I have to leave for work now.

[Faraday]

Day 2.1 vote-count. The '

Your Mod is enjoying Heavy Rain at the moment

' votecount.

Not voting:

(10) Locke Lamora, Raivann, Kinetic, Bogre, TheButtonMen,Mina, The Inquisition, MacavityLock, Seacore, Miserable at best

Deadline: March 20th @ 6pm GMT

[Raivann]

The Dead:
Heliograph - Tyrion Lannister - Innocent Aligned Double Voter was lynched Day 1.
Xvart - Syrio Forel -Vanilla Townie was killed night 1.

If there was two killing factions wouldn't there be different kill flavour like stabbed,shot,etc. Instead of just killed?

[Faraday]

Please note the Night 1 scene, and thus the first post, has been amended slightly, apologies for the mistake.


Also sending out reminders that day has started to everyone who hasn't posted yet.

[Raivann]

Thus my original point, that someone is more likely to be scum when confirming last than town stands.

See- that only holds if people are confirming in thread. At any rate- what drew my interest towards you, was that you mentioned it twice, without a response from me

(In which I was inactive across the site, not night-talking)

- that you were very concerned with it, not so much that I think you were trying to pin mis-suspicion so early in the game.

Unvote

This feels like an overreaction, how you go out of your way to make sure we all knew you were not night talking.

Like,
"Good Morning Bogre."

And Bogre says back,
"I wasn't night talking!! I'm innocent!"


@Buttonmen- Who did you target last night?

[Kinetic]

Here is something I'm pondering right now:

Is Inq the Serial Killer. Anyone care to weigh in on what they think about that possibility?

[Raivann]

Jon Snow

MacLock go.

Why did you choose MacLock?

[Raivann]

Coldhands.

Miserable at Best: name claim time.

xvart.

Which book does he appear in ?

Here Bogre is interested in xvart's claim.
Not damning evidence I know,I just found it interesting.

[Raivann]

Notable exceptions are as follows:

Coldhands was not introduced until AFTER this period of time.

Renly, Theon, Tarly, Snow, and Cassel were not present at all at King's Landing during this time period (which according to the fluff is where we are).

Of the remaining roles, (Arya, Catelyn, Robb, Sansa, Sandor, and Tyrion), two were "allied" with the Lannisters while the other 4 were Starks. Additionally if we nail down the time period Catelyn Stark may not have been at King's Landing either.

As it stands from this quick analysis my original ideas were not completely right, but that doesn't mean we didn't gain a lot of information from this list, not the least of which is that everyone is cemented in their claims.

If I had to make rough guesses right now on who was scum based solely on set up, I'd make these assumptions:

At least one of {Sansa, Robb, Catelyn, or Arya} is most likely scum

At least one of {Sandor, Tyrion} or {Snow, Tarly, Coldhands} is most likely scum (but I put these together since I think each is mutually exclusive due to their locations).

At least one of {Theon, Cassel, Renly} is most likely scum.

This is all assuming 3-5 scum in the setup,

with either a mixture of one mafia group and a SK and/or Survivor, or two mafia groups and either a SK or Survivor.

I could see Kinetic killing xvart too.
Maybe that's what made Kinetic think xvart was a PR.
Of course this is wifom but xvart was most suspicious of Kinetic.

Have you ever played a 12 player game with 5 scum?

[Raivann]

Obviously I don't think I'm a great lynch, but I also don't think there's enough time to convince 4 more people of my

guilt.

(Assuming that xvart, locke and mina are currently happy to vote for me)

So we need three more votes. Xvart has said he'll move his vote, so we need two more.

Shouldn't the word be "innoncence", not "guilt" ?

And you're making me feel better about you being lynched because this way we're lynching a slightly scummy usless town, rather than just a useless town.

Whoops! Scum slip much?

xvart.

Seacore had good reasons for wanting xvart dead too.

Xvart is right about Seacore scumslip.
What does "slightly scummy useless town" mean?
So he's scummy but you know he's town? How?
When did you say you thought Buttonmen was town?

FoS:Seacore

[Raivann]

No, at the worst I could recive no result, and I honestly can't think of a way that could happen N1. (with out using a RB)

How convenient for the scum that they actually have a roleblocker huh?

[Raivann]

Now onto Miserable's uberscummy contribution to the game...
He has 6 posts total, in where he promises content, and claims Sandor Clegane.
His first post is only one with content.He goes with the popular flow. In it he says he is not for name claim(then later votes Yay).Parrots my Mina case and makes a weak case on Bogre.
In Iso of Miserable also notice that his third,fourth, and fifth posts are exactly 3 days apart.
He's posting just enough to not get replaced and it makes me wanna...

Vote:Miserable At Best

[Kinetic]

Jon Snow

MacLock go.

Why did you choose MacLock?

First, try and not 6-post in a row, just make it all in one post.

Second, I chose him because he was who I was most interested in learning they're name from.

Notable exceptions are as follows:

Coldhands was not introduced until AFTER this period of time.

Renly, Theon, Tarly, Snow, and Cassel were not present at all at King's Landing during this time period (which according to the fluff is where we are).

Of the remaining roles, (Arya, Catelyn, Robb, Sansa, Sandor, and Tyrion), two were "allied" with the Lannisters while the other 4 were Starks. Additionally if we nail down the time period Catelyn Stark may not have been at King's Landing either.

As it stands from this quick analysis my original ideas were not completely right, but that doesn't mean we didn't gain a lot of information from this list, not the least of which is that everyone is cemented in their claims.

If I had to make rough guesses right now on who was scum based solely on set up, I'd make these assumptions:

At least one of {Sansa, Robb, Catelyn, or Arya} is most likely scum

At least one of {Sandor, Tyrion} or {Snow, Tarly, Coldhands} is most likely scum (but I put these together since I think each is mutually exclusive due to their locations).

At least one of {Theon, Cassel, Renly} is most likely scum.

This is all assuming 3-5 scum in the setup,

with either a mixture of one mafia group and a SK and/or Survivor, or two mafia groups and either a SK or Survivor.

I could see Kinetic killing xvart too.
Maybe that's what made Kinetic think xvart was a PR.
Of course this is wifom but xvart was most suspicious of Kinetic.

Have you ever played a 12 player game with 5 scum?

I'm sorry, what? Where did I say I thought xvert was a power role? If I thought something like that I would never reveal it. Second, why the hell would I ever kill someone so suspicious of me, its not my way of doing things.

I was suspicious of him, his was the only claim that didn't fit, but I was trying to figure out why. I pegged him for town or possibly newbie scum, but I wasn't sure which yet precisely because his claim didn't fit. I'm assuming there has to be some sort of mod-created fake claim system in the game, all 12 roles fit into it (including Xvart's AFTER we learned his real role), Coldhands never fit, and even though I tried to fit it in and never worked.

And yes, I've played with games with up to 5 scum in a mini, generally the 5th scum is a survivor though, so your concept of scum must be expanded. 3-4 is most likely, 5 is not unheard of.

Now onto Miserable's uberscummy contribution to the game...
He has 6 posts total, in where he promises content, and claims Sandor Clegane.
His first post is only one with content.He goes with the popular flow. In it he says he is not for name claim(then later votes Yay).Parrots my Mina case and makes a weak case on Bogre.
In Iso of Miserable also notice that his third,fourth, and fifth posts are exactly 3 days apart.
He's posting just enough to not get replaced and it makes me wanna...

Vote:Miserable At Best

You've actually (albeit quite randomly) hit on one of my top suspects after the night as well, but I was hoping to hold off for a bit to see what his first post of the day was like before I put any pressure on him.

Right now MaB and Inq are the two I'm most suspicious of.

Now would you mind telling me what you think of Inq?

[MacavityLock]

Here is something I'm pondering right now:

Is Inq the Serial Killer. Anyone care to weigh in on what they think about that possibility?

That was my thought too, specifically upon seeing this:

As a precaution I'm wearing armor.

Then it goes into my abilities.

That's it.

Bulletproof townies don't usually have additional abilities.

There's something that seems off about this though. Inq doesn't make much sense as a maf NK target.

Also, Inq, why did you choose to tell us that you have one armor shot left?

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The Dead:
Heliograph - Tyrion Lannister - Innocent Aligned Double Voter was lynched Day 1.
Xvart - Syrio Forel -Vanilla Townie was killed night 1.

If there was two killing factions wouldn't there be different kill flavour like stabbed,shot,etc. Instead of just killed?

Why did you think this was true? Is it necessary for a mod to distinguish between the factions that make the kill?

[Kinetic]

The Dead:
Heliograph - Tyrion Lannister - Innocent Aligned Double Voter was lynched Day 1.
Xvart - Syrio Forel -Vanilla Townie was killed night 1.

If there was two killing factions wouldn't there be different kill flavour like stabbed,shot,etc. Instead of just killed?

Why did you think this was true? Is it necessary for a mod to distinguish between the factions that make the kill?

Rav mafia who got kill blocked and Inq SK? That is a very interesting find Mac.

[MacavityLock]

I want to hear Rai's explanation before coming to any conclusions or commenting, and would request that others do the same.

[Raivann]

Why did you think this was true? Is it necessary for a mod to distinguish between the factions that make the kill?

Just from my experience.

No. I wasn't directing my question at mod, I was pointing it out to town. I was trying to figure out scum setup and if there was an SK and if The Inq. was lying about being targeted.
I was surprised when mod changed kill flavour from killed to throat slashed.
It makes me believe The Inq. a little bit more than I did before, I guess.

If The Inq is SK then are you saying he didn't kill last night?

My read on the Inq is I'm still neutral on him and not sure if I believe him or not.
I just finished a game with him and he was town and does seem like he scumhunted more in that one. His post count wasn't high in that either. We killed him N2 because he nailed Amished.

My top suspects are Buttonmen & Miserable

then Bogre,TheInq,LockeLamora,Kinetic, Seacore in a Nuetral clump together

Leaning town on Mina, MacLock