Mini 931: Supreme Court Mafia (Game Over post 682)

[Bub Bidderskins]

So, I finally got around to looking at Bub in iso. I have a few interesting points.

1) Note how he says that Jack is town before I start hammering on Jack; he changes his position rather quickly then. Why? I can't find a good reason in the thread. Looks to me like an attempt to appear to be more town.


2) Read the following quote carefully.

Given the Researcher role, 5 votes could be L-1 for Jack or any other player. Noone should put people on 6 votes unless they are prepared to hammer a wagon.

Yes, that's a very good point, given the nature of the set-up. It would probably be a lawyer (because lawyers have to do a ton of research), but then that means that either one of the justices has to be scum (possible godfather), or that the CIA agent is teamed up with the other lawyer, or both.

This seems to imply that he knows that the researcher is town. How does he know this? Is it because

he's scum and knows all of the roles that scum have?

See, when I read it, I thought first that it was probably more of a scum-aligned role.

I'm going to do a quick votecount and make sure that my vote won't hammer, because I'm not ready for that quite yet...

So you are voting for me purely on the fact that I thought that the researcher was town?

[Battousai]

Vote Count:

Bub Bidderskins -4- Jack, Yosarian2, Fishythefish, Netopalis
Jack -3- pwnman, jasonT1981, DarkLightA
pwnman -2- Dry-fit, pman5595
Yosarian2 -1- Darox

Not Voting:

Green Crayons, Bub Bidderskins

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!

[Netopalis]

Not solely, it's in addition to the other stuff I mention in that post, the waffling, the unusual attacks and the other reasons that everybody else has mentioned to suspect you.

[Jack]

More later hopefully when I get a chance to check back in.

I'd be interested to see what you think of bub.

[Battousai]

pwnman has been prodded

[DarkLightA]

Tbh I see bub as town.

[pman5595]

pwnman have been prodded

Battousai have bad grammar.

Anyway now that I have learned to count and realized my vote on bub wouldn't be researcher-hammer,

Vote: Bub

[Fishythefish]

@DLA: why do you think Bub is town? Why aren't you trying to stop his lynch?

[Darox]

Bub: If you had to decide who to lynch today, who would it be?

GC is supposed to return tomorrow, I'd like to get his input on this state of affairs before we lynch anybody.

Unvote

[Dry-fit]

Meh. The Bub wagon is alright, but I like the pwnman wagon better.

@Fishy: Why are you voting for Bub over pwnman now?

[Fishythefish]

@Fishy: Why are you voting for Bub over pwnman now?

My reasons for voting Bub are given. As for why Bub over pwnman - I have rather different reads on pwnman and on Bub - the former jumped on Jack in a lurky bandwagonny way, the latter in a horrible and self-contradictory way. TBH, they are neck and neck in my suspicions, and I don't really mind which one we string up.

[Fishythefish]

Sorry - the point that my reads on them are different is relevant because I find it hard to compare the strengths of different kind of scumreads when it's fairly tight.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Bub: If you had to decide who to lynch today, who would it be?

Unvote

Pwn. Now he's jumping on my wagon for basically no reason.

vote: pwn

[Fishythefish]

@Bub: what changed your mind about Jack?

I think you are confusing "pwnman" and "pman", perhaps? pwn isn't on your wagon.

[DarkLightA]

LYNCH JACK HE'S SERIAL KILLER!

Isn't it OBVIOUS?

[Battousai]

Yosarian2 has been prodded

[Netopalis]

More Bub votes, please! This game is kinda quiet....

[Jack]

pwnman and jason need to speak up.

[Fishythefish]

LYNCH JACK HE'S SERIAL KILLER!

Isn't it OBVIOUS?

No! It's so not obvious.

So, you think that the Jack accidentally let slip, in his first post, his flavour name and role. This is not how scumslips work. There's no way Jack can have thought that it would be considered protown to say a random non-existent flavour name was the SK. If he didn't mean to say what he said, he must have meant to say something else. But what on earth could accidentally come out as "CIA agent is SK"??

Jack says, basically, that he said something odd to stir things up a bit. You may not believe this, but you haven't given a credible alternative. Suppose Jack is the SK CIA agent. How did his post come about? He wouldn't give us his role on purpose, and there's no way he would have done it by mistake.

Why do you think Bub town?

[Green Crayons]

When I left I had Bub and DarkLight as two people I was hoping would get more pressure. Glad to see that happened with at least the former. Just checking in to let you folks know that I'm here and have skimmed through the thread. Will give it a proper once over after I eat my dinner and watch some Lost.


Oh, and the honeymoon was perfect.

[Yosarian2]

LYNCH JACK HE'S SERIAL KILLER!

Isn't it OBVIOUS?

No, it's really not. Your whole accusation seems to ride on the assumption Jack is a complete idiot, which he's clearly not. I'm not ruling out the possibility he tried some kind of overly elaborate WIFOM gambit here, but it's not that likely.

Anyway, Bub is clearly scum.

[Green Crayons]

If you don't know what you think of Jack, how do you have an opinion of someone who voted for something you have no opinion about? This looks like posturing to make a "good" vote.

I'm not sure what the problem is here. Pwnman's vote didn't look natural or like he was really suspicious of Jack's play. I don't need an opinion of the player being voted to see something fishy about the way a vote is placed.

I find it hard to think that you can come up with a meaningful opinion about someone's vote when you don't have a feeling about the player they're voting for. Of course, you're original assertion (that you "[didn't] like the way Pwnman and jason jumped on the Jack wagon. Pwnman moreso.") is far from meaningful. In fact, it's incredibly vague (which further underscores my posturing suspicion). Why did you not like pwnman's and jason's votes on Jack (now that you're clarifying your suspicion: what made it look unnatural)? Why pwnman's more so than jason's?

vote: Bub

. I'm happy with this vote after reading the back and forths.

[Battousai]

Darox, Dry-fit, jasonT1981, and Pman5595 have been prodded. Pwnman has failed to pick up his prod, and will be replaced.

[Netopalis]

Yeah! Replacement! Woo!

[Battousai]

Bump for vote count