Stars Aligned II - Game Over!

[semioldguy]

Oh ok, my bad. Do keep in mind though that on night 1 (the night you claimed you heard noise), a rez is possible. It's not possible for Magua, ilord, or myself. So it's slightly different.

unvote

No one should have res'ed me because it was not possible that I was going to die since I claimed not to hear noise one Night Zero. It would have been a wasted action.

[VP Baltar]

Do we have a list of rez-worthy players?

Magua, iLord, VikingFan, Semi.

I'm going to have time to reread the thread later today. More thoughts will come.

Shouldn't I be on this list as well? It's if you heard a noise N0 or N1 and aren't dead, correct?

[semioldguy]

Anyone who heard noise at all and is not dead, as long as the only noise isn't a claimed ward.

[VP Baltar]

SlySly - why would you take compulsion if your intention was to go murderer? You have already freely stated that it's a difficult role to win, so wouldn't taking compulsion make it that much more difficult? It would take you until what, Day 8, to win that way. I'm confused.

[vikingfan]

Anyone who heard noise at all and is not dead, as long as the only noise isn't a claimed ward.

This is true for the ritual, not true for stalking murderers. Those who did not hear noise last night are not under consideration for rez from murderers.

I don't buy SlySly's explanation, but DGB bugs me more. She says Sly's town, but votes him? and she's been lurking too.

vote dgb

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Sly, you better have some REALLY good reasons for compulsion and hallucination. I'm at the point where it's almost a good idea to lynch anyone who says he took hallucination. Given our high number of scum at present, I think both dgb and sly are suspicious at present.

[semioldguy]

If, on the other hand, he flips murderer, then we may have a nasty situation on our hands as we may be down to 2 murderers already and can't afford to lynch one for fear of losing the game as soon as the survivor gets the 3rd kill (if we reach this spot, we're going to need a good rezzing plan in action).

If there are two murderers alive and they both get to three kills, then unless they kill each other on the same night the town is almost assured a loss. No one can win as long as any murderers survive. The only difference is that we need to kill all the cult also for the town to win. Murderers do not have to worry about killing cult, only the other murderers.

[SlySly]

SlySly - why would you take compulsion if your intention was to go murderer? You have already freely stated that it's a difficult role to win, so wouldn't taking compulsion make it that much more difficult? It would take you until what, Day 8, to win that way. I'm confused.

I didn't put in enough forethought to determine the earliest possible time for a murderer win. I figured taking compulsion would take some unneeded complexity out of my thought process and I didn't want to hinder my voting abilities in any way. I never really expected to be a murderer and win anyway, I just wanted to be a murderer, however, D1 changed my mind about that.

[DrippingGoofball]

I don't buy SlySly's explanation, but DGB bugs me more. She says Sly's town, but votes him?

vote dgb

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Read his sig.

[iLord]

SlySly's lying. If he decided to come clean, he should've done so Day 1, like when he supposedly decided so, especially once he saw ani/Elli not being lynched.

Vote: SlySly

Rereading thread right now, but SlySly's the lynch here.

[VP Baltar]

I don't buy SlySly's explanation, but DGB bugs me more. She says Sly's town, but votes him? and she's been lurking too.

She's implying that Sly never looks townish, which is somewhat true. He's a bit of a scummy player naturally. However, what bothers me a bit more about his is his laying back a bit as the game has worn on. My general experience with him is a bit more fire in his belly, but I don't know if this really means anything or not.

I didn't put in enough forethought to determine the earliest possible time for a murderer win. I figured taking compulsion would take some unneeded complexity out of my thought process and I didn't want to hinder my voting abilities in any way. I never really expected to be a murderer and win anyway, I just wanted to be a murderer, however, D1 changed my mind about that.

How much forethought would it really take? I mean, you played in the other SA as well, so I'd think you'd at least have the basic understanding that to win as murderer here you need to do it as quickly as possible. Not sure if I'm buying this reasoning.

[VP Baltar]

Oh yeah, I'm not voting atm.

Vote: SlySly

[SlySly]

How much forethought would it really take? I mean, you played in the other SA as well, so I'd think you'd at least have the basic understanding that to win as murderer here you need to do it as quickly as possible. Not sure if I'm buying this reasoning.

Lol. I still don't think I have a full grasp of the murderer win condition.

[elvis_knits]

SlySly's lying. If he decided to come clean, he should've done so Day 1, like when he supposedly decided so, especially once he saw ani/Elli not being lynched.

Vote: SlySly

Rereading thread right now, but SlySly's the lynch here.

I know, I keep flashing back to Elli saying somehting like: ANY OTHER FOOLS WHO CHOSE STALK AND REALIZE THEIR MISTAKE, CLAIM NOW.

Elli said it multiple times. If Sly changed his mind D1, he should have said it then.

I also don't understand why he chose to go legit in SA1 but not in this game.

I also think it was very misleading for him to be claiming noises for a while without telling us HE HAS HALLUCINATION. And could have cause him to get warded or rezzed even when he doesn't need it.

[elvis_knits]

Another thing I think is generally weird is that on N1 we had:

3 succesfull murders
Phate Rezzed (cult kill)
CSL Rezzed (presumably murdered cult)
Adel/Hayker rezzed
Sly deciding not to murder Amished/Magua

It just seems like multiple people are claiming repentent murderer (Elli, Ani, kunk, Sly), but not claiming any of the successful murders. It makes me wonder if they're claiming their true targets or lying about it (as murderers or as cult constructing elaborate fake claims). Or maybe a murderer who fails with their first kill is more likely to try to come back to the town because they know that there are probably other murderers "ahead" of them (closer to their wincon)?

[SlySly]

I also don't understand why he chose to go legit in SA1 but not in this game.

I don't understand why you, of all people, would ever expect from me what you consider to be rational thought. I thought it would be fun. D1 just showed me it would be a quick way out of the game. If I had successfully stalked Adel or Phate on N0, I probably wouldn't have been able to control the urge to kill!!

I also think it was very misleading for him to be claiming noises for a while without telling us HE HAS HALLUCINATION. And could have cause him to get warded or rezzed even when he doesn't need it.

I just took hallucination from my commune last night. Hallucination had nothing to do with the noises I heard N1 and N2.

[SlySly]

I know, I keep flashing back to Elli saying somehting like: ANY OTHER FOOLS WHO CHOSE STALK AND REALIZE THEIR MISTAKE, CLAIM NOW.

Elli said it multiple times. If Sly changed his mind D1, he should have said it then.

Ell was pushing a game breaking scheme. Do I need to repeat my feeling about game breaking schemes?

[elvis_knits]

I know, I keep flashing back to Elli saying somehting like: ANY OTHER FOOLS WHO CHOSE STALK AND REALIZE THEIR MISTAKE, CLAIM NOW.

Elli said it multiple times. If Sly changed his mind D1, he should have said it then.

Ell was pushing a game breaking scheme. Do I need to repeat my feeling about game breaking schemes?

Him claiming reformed murderer had nothing to do with the breaking plan.

[iLord]

Seriously though, if anyone commits a murder, I will lynch you.

E_K, why are you not after Chaco?

Ell was pushing a game breaking scheme. Do I need to repeat my feeling about game breaking schemes?

This is entirely irrelevant.

[elvis_knits]

Seriously though, if anyone commits a murder, I will lynch you.

E_K, why are you not after Chaco?

I'm less worried about him than some other people actually. He murdered startransmission, who had 3 insanities (which is like guaranteed scum, so I'm glad he's dead). And Chaco did it last night. And someone who had intended to go murderer would have been on stalk last night. So it does seem that Chaco went the "vig" route here.

I still don't condone this behavior, but I have to evaluate it on a case-by-case basis. I'm not that upset about it because it looks like he killed scum, and the timing is off for a player who intended to go murderer. I'm not thrilled with rampant vigilantee-ism because I think it's likely to screw us. But I'm not going to lynch Chaco blindly when it looks like he's not scum for the reasons I just mentioned.

[SlySly]

Maybe irrelevant to you.

His pushing a game breaking plan made anything he said irrelevant to me as much as anything anyone else said that was pushing any of the game breaking plans.

I didn't feel I needed to say anything as I knew I wasn't going to murder and was going to continue trying to help the town. I obviously wasn't the only one that didn't jump at Ell's command as there has been plenty of murdering going on. The difference with me and the others is that I haven't been murdering.

[Chaco]

Vote: Slysy

Definitely smelling some bullshit.

[DrippingGoofball]

I don't understand why you, of all people, would ever expect from me what you consider to be rational thought.

You've been about 70% rational recently; this is 70% above your baseline. You can only be scum.

[vikingfan]

unvote vote sly

Now that I know the history between sly and dgb, that exchange makes better sense. Sly, however...well, everything he's said since his initial confession has smelled of lies.

Before we lynch, though, we should figure out who are our graverobbers for tonight.

[vikingfan]

Also some players like kunk haven't posted in a few days...prod please?

[iLord]

Before we lynch, though, we should figure out who are our graverobbers for tonight.

Working on this - don't lynch until I'm done with the reread.