Getting someone modkilled

[Elmo]

I've never made it explicit, but being replaced is actually worse than losing in my ruleset. I'll probably make that explicit from now on.

Oh Sir keeps thinking he won the game is most laughable. Being replaced in a game doesn't mean you won.

It does to me, so point void.

So you're not actually playing to win, like you implied earlier. There's basically no difference between this and playing to fulfil whatever totally arbitrary goal you happen to define as winning, like being lynched as fast as possible. Fun fact: there's a site rule intended to prevent this behaviour, too! Either play by the rules,

all

the rules, or quit appealing to them.

I'm a psychiatrist (and in 1.5 years, hopefully a lawyer as well)

Date of Birth: 24 Oct 1989

I'm

skeptical

impressed by your rapid progression through medical and law school.

lol, owned.

You know, of all the places to try and pull this stunt, picking a site dedicated to a game based around calling people on their bullshit is maybe the worst possible decision. That's what amuses me most about your contributions to this thread.

[Elscouta]

What's the current vote count?

Unvote, Vote: Sir Cyanide

[greenindirt]

You know, of all the places to try and pull this stunt, picking a site dedicated to a game based around calling people on their bullshit is maybe the worst possible decision. That's what amuses me most about your contributions to this thread.

I've seen an image before that mocks this sort of trolling. In this comic (hastily made in MSPaint, assuredly) someone (labelled "troll") walks past two other people discussing. The "troll" acts like a retard next to these two and the other two tell the "troll" to fuck off. The "troll" walks away, amused by his antics, and lets out a laugh while saying "the joke was on those two, they thought I was a retard!"

Yeah. That's what this kind of shit is like.

[Maemuki]

What's the current vote count?

Unvote, Vote: Sir Cyanide

Too late, I already daykilled him.

He's still posting though, he should be modkilled~!

[ElectricBadger]

Cyanide, please limit yourself to one "Bah!" style post. Thanks!

[Goatrevolt]

The purpose of "play to win" is to prevent people from joining games who have no intention of actually playing the game as it was meant to be played, but are rather joining it to troll others or ruin the game for others. Trying to get someone modkilled harms the integrity of the game and ruins the designed balance of the game by lowering one team's initial chance to win in a way that is unintended. I feel like trying to get someone modkilled is actually against the spirit of the "playing to win" rule, because artificially skewing the game balance in your favor is effectively ruining the game, or trying to.

I don't understand why this would be a satisfying way to win, anyway. It bears similarities to cheating in poker. Do people who cheat in poker actually feel satisfied by winning (assuming that $$ is not the reason behind cheating)? The satisfaction in victory (at least for me) comes from outplaying the opposing team, not from making it so the opposing team has no chance of winning. I don't get it. Maybe someone can explain this to me.

[The Fonz]

Don't forget backpeddling

Not a scumtell, and saying it is is scummy. Townies should be willing to change their minds.

Shit, even in MD, FARSIDE IS ALWAYS SCUM.

[mykonian]

I'm very agianst all the black listing occuring.

1. He did something.
2. The mod and some players said that it was agianst how mafia was played on MS.
3. He brought it to MD to see if that was the case and discuss it.
4. He gets multiple blacklistings. Wtf?

I think that him bringing it to MD to see the consenus shouldn't be punished at all. So I'll break ranks with everyone and say thanks for caring enough about what your fellow scummers said to actually checking what the general ruling was.

No, he goes further. He actually doesn't care what MD says, he is

showing off

. He thinks he is

brilliant

, and then goes off saying others are wrong, not taking the game seriously enough, and even goes as far as simply using a personal attack to get all of Meamuki's arguments out of the way.

If I have any reason to believe a player would make the game less fun for the other players, I am not going to let him in.

I have eleven others that want a fun game too.

The real issue (and mind you I haven't blacklisted) is #3.

That's not the case. It reeks of coming in looking for praise and then when he didn't get it saying "well, you guys just don't play to win"

And then the misogyny bit too.

I love you.

[mykonian]

Plus that forcibly being replaced = breaking the rules = fail =/= playing to win.

[Ectomancer]

Don't forget backpeddling

Not a scumtell, and saying it is is scummy. Townies should be willing to change their minds.

Shit, even in MD, FARSIDE IS ALWAYS SCUM.

This is the most important point ITT

[BridgesAndBaloons]

Congrats, you're banned from all my games due to blatant and unapologetic misogyny. You're not blacklisted for your play style.

In that case, all the people who argued against me in the magick thread are blacklisted for being unrepentant atheists. Mr. Flay and Hoopla are blacklisted for infringing my polyarmory-uniquness, and ABR is blacklisted for being an asian that procrastinates math. Now I need to go surf the "face with a name" thread to find people with blacklistable haircuts.

Seriously, if any one of you is keeping a blacklist based on anything except non-arbitrary gameplay problems (like flaking or cheating), please put my name right at the top.

I don't consider general flaming to be ban-worthy. Otherwise I would have to blacklist a lot of people. When someone makes something more personal and unapologetic-ally crossed one of my

own

lines, then I ban them from my games. It's less of a "oh you're a jerk, you should be banned from mafiascum" than it is "This type of behavior is unacceptable to me and I don't want to mod a game where I have to read this happening." Keep in mind I think I'm pretty tolerant when it comes to offensive behavior.

So far the only lines that I have discovered are misogyny and making fun of mentally challenged people. I'm sure under certain conditions I'd ban over making fun of sexual-preferences.

Makes sense?


Edit: Also many people don't want to play in a game with him, and since I want people to enjoy my games, I don't want him in them.

[mykonian]

Ythill, a mod has the option to keep players out of his game. If you are a mod, and your players state that they don't like to play with a certain player, aren't you going to listen?

A mod has only one job, making a fun game for his players. If one player his (partial) goal is to make the game for another player not fun anymore, then that player doesn't fit in that game, and a very good mod should keep him out of it.

[shaft.ed]

A mod has only one job, making a fun game for his players. If one player his (partial) goal is to make the game for another player not fun anymore, then that player doesn't fit in that game, and a very good mod should keep him out of it.

But I don't think that can be fairly assessed until said game has started, unless there is a long history of unrepentant behavior.

[Ythill]

When someone makes something more personal and unapologetic-ally crossed one of my own lines, then I ban them from my games.

I do understand and I don't think you're a bad person or whatever, but I believe that blacklisting people for comments they have made in MD/GD heavily suggests bad modding. I'm not going to go into a long explanation of why, because I don't see any good coming from it. It's just my opinion, sorry you ended up on the wrong end of it. But seriously, please add me to your blacklist.

Please note that I don't intend for this to defend SC or mysogeny.

Ythill, a mod has the option to keep players out of his game.

Agreed. I'm open to doing this myself, for in-game reasons.

If you are a mod, and your players state that they don't like to play with a certain player, aren't you going to listen?

Nope. If someone has personal problems with someone else, it's his responsability to watch the /in list and avoid interactions. I'm not the clique police. Imagine what this site would look like if we took this to the extreme. Personally, I don't care if you're a racist kleptomaniac crack whore that everyone hates. If you are capable of playing by the rules of my games, you are welcome in my games.

A mod has only one job, making a fun game for his players.

I think you're over-simplifying. One of a mod's most important jobs is to remain neutral while designing, interpreting, and applying the rules.

[Ythill]

Hey shaft, should we start blacklisting Republicans?

[BridgesAndBaloons]

I do understand and I don't think you're a bad person or whatever, but I believe that blacklisting people for comments they have made in MD/GD heavily suggests bad modding. I'm not going to go into a long explanation of why, because I don't see any good coming from it. It's just my opinion, sorry you ended up on the wrong end of it. But seriously, please add me to your blacklist.

I think I understand and respect your opinion, but I don't agree with it. I'm guessing you wouldn't be in favor of restaurants the have the right to refuse serving people.

Sorry, you have absolutely no reason to be blacklisted by me. I don't think you make games unfun and you haven't shown any behavior that I find personally appealing.

[TheButtonmen]

@BridgesAndBallons:

Did you read the game in question or any of his other games before blacklisting him?

[shaft.ed]

Hey shaft, should we start blacklisting Republicans?

Oh, I don't blacklist them, I just give them the shitty roles. It's a lot more satisfying.

[jmj3000]

On second thought, I am going to take back what I said about blacklisting him. He will be allowed in, but if he continues to act the way he did in that game and how he has been acting in this thread in any of my games, he will be blacklisted at that time.

[SIR CYANIDE]

@TBM: I have already shown why all the blacklisting occurred:



This and only this is the reason for the mass blacklisting.

Also, I agree with Ythill.

[shaft.ed]

If only there were some psychiatrist jargon that would better explain this blacklisting behavior.

[SIR CYANIDE]

If only there were some psychiatrist jargon that would better explain this blacklisting behavior.

Peer pressure? Albeit not very jargon'ish

[Mr. Flay]

If only there were some psychiatrist jargon that would better explain this blacklisting behavior.

[Pomegranate]

I am one of the people who backlisted SC. And though I did not read the entire game in question, I read the posts that TQO was modkilled for, and I read the posts SC made, goading him along (it's on page 22 IIRC). And I would never want to have him play in one of my game- seeing what he's done and that he considers it fine, I wouldn't want to risk having something like that happen in my game. Personally, I don't think that I'd be comfortable playing with SC, so why should someone not join my game because he has? Or join, but feel worried of something similar occuring?

Also, I've played with TQO before. And he didn't seem particularly emotional. Yeah.

[SIR CYANIDE]

I am one of the people who backlisted SC. And though I did not read the entire game in question, I read the posts that TQO was modkilled for, and I read the posts SC made, goading him along (it's on page 22 IIRC). And I would never want to have him play in one of my game-

seeing what he's done and that he considers it fine, I wouldn't want to risk having something like that happen in my game.

Personally, I don't think that I'd be comfortable playing with SC, so why should someone not join my game because he has? Or join, but feel worried of something similar occuring?

Also, I've played with TQO before. And he didn't seem particularly emotional. Yeah.

And people wonder why I am jokingly-misogynistic? This 'logic' is only found in women.