Mini 925: Umineko No Naku Koro Ni Mafia: GAME OVER!

[Glork]

Well I'm glad I read the thread overnight to get endagmed.

Kai, I can't believe you thought lynching yourself with six alive and a 2-person mafia could ever be considered a good idea.

I really don't have anything else to say about this game, except that UK can verify that I had Ray pegged as scum by Page 6:

(4:00:17 PM) GlorkTheInvader: on the bright side
(4:00:20 PM) GlorkTheInvader: my read of Ray was spot on
(4:00:45 PM) UncertainKitten: Yep
(4:01:51 PM) GlorkTheInvader: and my endgame read of S_B was accurate
(4:01:56 PM) UncertainKitten: Yep

[Cobalt]

ITT cobalt gets tired of UK's modding style

[UncertainKitten]

Umineko No Naku Koro Ni Role PMs and Fake Claims:

"ihihihihi, It's all useless"

Welcome to Umineko No

Na

ku Koro Ni Mafia,

DisCode/b]. You are

Ushiromiya Battler, Townie Untargettable

. You have the following abilities:

Passive Abilities:

Endless Nines:

You cannot be targetted. (

if any role ability were to target you, it instead fails

)

Active Abilities:

You have no active abilities

Win Condition (Town): You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

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"Without love it cannot be seen"

Welcome to Umineko No

Na

ku Koro Ni Mafia,

Tarhalindur

. You are

Beatrice, Vanilla? Townie

. You have the following abilities:

Passive Abilities:

???

: You gain this ability as long as you have "Stopped Thinking"

???

: You gain this ability as long as you have "Stopped Thinking"

???

: You gain this ability as long as you have "Stopped Thinking"

???

: You gain this ability as long as you have "Stopped Thinking"

???

: You gain this ability as long as you have "Stopped Thinking"

???

: You gain this ability as long as you have "Stopped Thinking"

Active Abilities:

You have no active abilities

Win Condition (Town): You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Upon Beatrice Vanilla Townie's Death:

"

Everything I speak in red is the truth

"

You're dead...which is exactly what you needed to release your endless power! However...you are still tied to Rokkenjima. You are now

Beatrice, the Golden Witch

. You have the following abilities:

Passive Abilities:

Endless Witch:

You are still a player in the game. You count as a player for determining win conditions. You appear to be dead on the playerlist. You cannot post in thread.

Witch's Mouthpiece:

You may post 15 times per game day by PMing the moderator what you would like to say. You may only post 200 words per post.

Witch's Voice:

You may either vote and unvote in thread with Witch's Mouthpiece or you may secretly vote and unvote through the mod.

Red Truth:

You will be given a mod confirmed fact about the set up once per game day as long as you are still a player in the game. You may post this fact in

red

using Witch's Mouthpiece. You may not post an untruth in

red text

. Any untruths posted in red will be removed from your posts by the moderator before they are posted.

Blue Inquisition:

You may answer questions posed in

blue text

with

red text

. If you do not know the answer, the moderator will deem whether you will be granted the appropriate Red Truth to respond with. If you are not given a truth to respond with, the statement

That cannot be answered in red

will be posted on your behalf without counting against your Witch's Mouthpiece posting limit.

Fading Golden Witch:

If you are targetted by any role ability, you are instead Forgotten by the kakera, and removed from the game.

Active Abilities:

You have no active abilities

Win Condition (Town): You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

List of Red Truths:
D1: There is more than one faction against the town.
D2: Untargettables in this game are not necessarily against the town.
D3: There is only one vanilla townie in the game.
D4: There are 6 characters in this game that were supernatural in the VN. There are 6 characters who were human in the VN.
D5: All gold text is mod guaranteed to be the truth. All red text is subjectively likely to be the truth.
D6: Rosa Ushiromiya is a mafiate
D7: Frederika Bernkastel is a mafiate
D8: Eva Ushiromiya is a mafiate
D9: Erika Furudo is a mafiate

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"<Good Night. Have a Nice Dream>"

Welcome to Umineko No

Na

ku Koro Ni Mafia,

Netopalis

. You are

Ushiromiya Ange, Townie Motivator

. You have the following abilities:

Passive Abilities:

You have no Passive Abilities

Active Abilties:

Gretel:

Target a player during the day. That player will be given a specific effect that night that augments their role.


Win Condition (Town): You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

N2:

"<Good Night. Have a Nice Dream>"

Welcome to Umineko No

Na

ku Koro Ni Mafia,

Netopalis

. You are

Ushiromiya Ange, Townie Motivator

. You have the following abilities:

Passive Abilities:

Border of Magic and Reality:

You may jaywalk with impunity.

Magical Friend:

For the duration of Night 2, you may talk to StrangerCoug in this quicktopic

Active Abilties:

Gretel:

Target a player during the day. That player will be given a specific effect that night that augments their role.


Win Condition (Town): You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

List of motivation (Not known by Ange):
Beatrice (Golden Witch): Well, she dies if targetted so null
Beatrice (Human): Gets Golden Witch Red Text for the day targetted
Battler: Untargettable so null.
Rosa: Adds Untargettable to bulletproof for that night, makes kill strong man kill, if applicable
Eva: Demoralize lasts three phases instead of two (Day, Night, Day)
Bernkastel: Untargettable so null.
Erika Furude: Adds demoralize to rolecop at players option
Ronove: Double Action
Siesta 00: Untargetted vig hits a player of role's choice. (In other words, the untargetted vig can be "targetted")
Ange: Nothing happens.
Kyrie: Track and watch target
Sakutarou: Temporary neighborness with Ange (lasts for the night)
Gaap: Player targetted has their alignment revealed in red text by the mod.

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"Would you like some more cookies?"

Welcome to Umineko No

Na

ku Koro Ni Mafia,

NavyCherub

. You are

Ronove, Townie Jack of All Trades

. You have the following abilities:

Passive Abilities:

You have no passive abilities

Active Abilties:

Demonic Distraction:

Once per game, at night, you may roleblock all players.

Demonic Inquiry:

Once per game, at night, you may target a player. You will be sent that players alignment.

(Note: Your sanity is not guaranteed)

Demonic Trickery:

Once per game, at night, you may target two players. All actions your first target uses will be redirected to the second target.

Demonic Protection:

Once per game, at night, you may target a player. That player cannot be targetted during the next night phase.

Demonic Killing:

Once per game, at night, you may target a player. That player will be killed.

Win Condition (Town): You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

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"Firing Guidance System Started
Commencing Data Accumulation
Formulating Firing Curve
Accuracy 97.85%"

Welcome to Umineko No

Na

ku Koro Ni Mafia,

Leech

. You are

Siesta00, Townie No-Scope Vig

. You have the following abilities:

Passive Abilities:

You have no passive abilities

Active Abilties:

The King's Sniper:

Once per game, at night, if you have not used the ability The King's Scattered Shot, you may target a player. That player will be killed.

The King's Scattered Shot:

Once per game, at night, if you have not used the ability The King's Sniper, you may use this ability. A player, randomly selected from players you voted the previous day, will be killed.

Win Condition (Town): You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

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"You have to turn the chessboard over, Battler"

Welcome to Umineko No

Na

ku Koro Ni Mafia,

Kairyuu

. You are

Ushiromiya Kyrie, Townie Watcher

. You have the following abilities:

Passive Abilities:

You have no passive abilities

Active Abilties:

Jealous Watching:

Target a player at night. You will find out who targetted that player that night.


Win Condition (Town): You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

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"When something disappears, like keys and trinkets, it's usually me~"

Welcome to Umineko No

Na

ku Koro Ni Mafia,

Cobalt

. You are

Gaap, Townie Phaser

. You have the following abilities:

Passive Abilities:

You have no passive abilities

Active Abilties:

Gap:

Target a player at night. Target player is removed from the game for the night as well as the next day phase. The player returns at the start of the next night phase. Players removed from the game cannot be targetted. Players removed this way still count as a player for their win condition, but they cannot vote while removed.


Win Condition (Town): You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

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"Uryu~"

Welcome to Umineko No

Na

ku Koro Ni Mafia,

StrangerCoug

. You are

Sakutarou, Vanilla Townie

. You have the following abilities:

Passive Abilities:

You have no passive abilities

Active Abilties:

You have no active abilities

Win Condition (Town): You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

N2:

"Uryu~"

Welcome to Umineko No

Na

ku Koro Ni Mafia,

StrangerCoug

. You are

Sakutarou, Vanilla Townie

. You have the following abilities:

Passive Abilities:

Witch's Friend: For the duration of Night 2, you may talk to StrangerCoug in this quicktopic

Active Abilties:

You have no active abilities

Win Condition (Town): You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

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"How much more do you have to embarrass me before you're satisfied!?"

Welcome to Umineko No

Na

ku Koro Ni Mafia,

CSL

. You are

Ushiromiya Rosa, Mafia Redirector

. You have the following abilities:

Factional Abilities

Buddies!:

You are in the

Child Abuse Mafia

with

magnus_orion, Ushiromiya Eva

. You may talk to each other at anytime in this quicktopic

Child Abuse Kill:

You can execute the Child Abuse Mafia kill by targetting a player at night. Your kill method is "Bitch Slapped to death"

Mafia Falseclaim:

At any time during the game, as many times as you want, you may send me a character name and a list of abilities and I will construct a fake role PM for you.

Mafia Safeclaim:

You know that Rosa would be a REALLY terrible thing to claim in this game, and that Ushiromiya Maria is not in this game. If she were, she'd be a townie bulletproof.

Passive Abilities:

World end Dominator:

You are immune to night kills.

Active Abilties:

"Who Gave Her The Umbrella!?"

: Target two players at night. All actions your first target uses will be redirected to the second target.

Win Condition (Child Abuse Mafia): You win when your faction controls MORE THAN 50% of the votes.

FAKECLAIM:

"Uu~ Uu~"

Welcome to Umineko No

Na

ku Koro Ni Mafia,

PLAYERNAME

. You are

Ushiromiya Maria, Townie Bulletproof

. You have the following abilities:

Passive Abilities:

Beatrice's Favorite:

You are immune to night kills.

Active Abilties:

You have no active abilities

Win Condition (Town): You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

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"Why don't you just give up and DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE~!"

Welcome to Umineko No

Na

ku Koro Ni Mafia,

magnus_orion

. You are

Ushiromiya Eva, Mafia Demoralizer

. You have the following abilities:

Factional Abilities

Buddies!:

You are in the

Child Abuse Mafia

with

CSL, Ushiromiya Rosa

. You may talk to each other at anytime in this quicktopic

Child Abuse Kill:

You can execute the Child Abuse Mafia kill by targetting a player at night. Your kill method is "Verbally Abused to death"

Mafia Falseclaim:

At any time during the game, as many times as you want, you may send me a character name and a list of abilities and I will construct a fake role PM for you.

Mafia Safeclaim:

You know that Kanon is not in this game. If he were, he'd be a townie disabler. However, Ushiromiya Eva is not a scummy roleclaim, and can be used on it's own.

Passive Abilities:

You have no passive abilities

Active Abilties:

Snark

: Choose a player at night. That player becomes vanilla for the next two phases (

If you were to choose PlayerA N1, they would be vanilla for the duration of D2 and N2

) They will only be notified that they cannot use abilities.

This ability does not target.

Win Condition (Child Abuse Mafia): You win when your faction controls MORE THAN 50% of the votes.

FAKECLAIM:

"I'm sorry milady...I'm just furniture"

Welcome to Umineko No

Na

ku Koro Ni Mafia,

PLAYERNAME

. You are

Kanon, Townie Disabler

. You have the following abilities:

Passive Abilities:

You have no passive abilities

Active Abilties:

Furniture's Attack

: Choose a player at night. That player cannot use any abilities for the next two phases (

If you were to choose PlayerA N1, they would be vanilla for the duration of D2 and N2

) They will be notified that they cannot use abilities.

Win Condition (Town): You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

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"Not even with a miracle...is Beato going to win this game."

Welcome to Umineko No

Na

ku Koro Ni Mafia,

RayFrost

. You are

Frederika Bernkastel, Mafia Roleblocker

. You have the following abilities:

Factional Abilities

Buddies!:

You are in the

Bitchiness Mafia

with

Snow_Bunny, Erika Furudo

. You may talk to each other at anytime in this quicktopic

Bitchiness Kill:

You can execute the Bitchiness Mafia kill by targetting a player at night. Your kill method is "Moved to a deadly kakera"

Mafia Falseclaim:

At any time during the game, as many times as you want, you may send me a character name and a list of abilities and I will construct a fake role PM for you.

Mafia Safeclaim:

You know that Lambadelta is not in this game. If she were, she'd be an untargettable jailkeeper. But you might want to leave the untargettable part out. Frederika Bernkastel is not a scummy roleclaim, but could be tied to the kill method you use.

Passive Abilities:

Untouchable Witch:

You cannot be targetted. (

if any role ability were to target you, it instead fails

)

Active Abilties:

Miraculous Occurance

: Target a player at night. Target player is roleblocked.

Win Condition (Bitchiness Mafia): You win when your faction controls MORE THAN 50% of the votes.

FAKECLAIM:

"But I can beat Bernkastel! So I'm like SUPER PAPER!"

Welcome to Umineko No

Na

ku Koro Ni Mafia,

RayFrost

. You are

LambdaDelta, Townie Rewarder

. You have the following abilities:

Passive Abilities:

You have no passive abilities

Active Abilties:

Witch's Gift

: Target a player at night. If that player is vanilla, they will be given a one shot ability. If that player has a passive or active ability, you will learn that player's role.[/i]

Win Condition (Town): You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

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"This level of reasoning is possible for Erika Furudo"

Welcome to Umineko No

Na

ku Koro Ni Mafia,

Snow_Bunny

. You are

Erika Furudo, Mafia Rolecop

. You have the following abilities:

Factional Abilities

Buddies!:

You are in the

Bitchiness Mafia

with

RayFrost, Frederika Bernkastel

. You may talk to each other at anytime in this quicktopic

Bitchiness Kill:

You can execute the Child Abuse Mafia kill by targetting a player at night. Your kill method is "Sentenced to Death"

Mafia Falseclaim:

At any time during the game, as many times as you want, you may send me a character name and a list of abilities and I will construct a fake role PM for you.

Mafia Safeclaim:

You know that Erika Furudo is the detective and should be above suspicion. This is a safe roleclaim. Your kill method is tied more to Dlanor Knox. With your posting restriction, it is not advised you claim anything other then Erika Furudo.

Passive Abilities:

The Detective's Arrogance:

Everytime you post a case on another player, you must finish the cased post with the following template: "Just because of <relevent factor in post>, this level of reasoning is possible for <playername>. What do you think, everyone?" The first violation of this post restriction results in a warning. The second violation results in you losing your night action for the night. The third violation results in your modkill. If you have a question about if something is a case, please PM the moderator before posting it. (

A case is: Any defined post where the intent is to convince someone to vote a player.

)

Active Abilties:

Detective's Investigation

: Target a player at night. You will be given target player's role name and affiliation.

Win Condition (Bitchiness Mafia): You win when your faction controls MORE THAN 50% of the votes.

FAKECLAIM:

"This level of reasoning is possible for Erika Furudo"

Welcome to Umineko No

Na

ku Koro Ni Mafia,

Snow_Bunny

. You are

Erika Furudo, Townie Cop

. You have the following abilities:

Passive Abilities:

The Detective's Arrogance:

Everytime you post a case on another player, you must finish the cased post with the following template: "Just because of <relevent factor in post>, this level of reasoning is possible for <playername>. What do you think, everyone?" The first violation of this post restriction results in a warning. The second violation results in you losing your night action for the night. The third violation results in your modkill. If you have a question about if something is a case, please PM the moderator before posting it. (

A case is: Any defined post where the intent is to convince someone to vote a player.

)

Active Abilties:

Detective's Investigation

: Target a player at night. You will be given target player's affiliation.

(Note: Your sanity is not guaranteed)

Win Condition (Town): You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

[UncertainKitten]

ITT cobalt gets tired of UK's modding style

Why so Cobalt?

[UncertainKitten]

Mod Room: here

Yes, I WAS rooting for Bitchiness in the end. No, I didn't give them any information that would aid their decision. At least I hope I didn't. I almost did but stopped myself because that would have been horrible modding. I apologize for even contemplating it, honestly.

Green Room: here

Not much to say.

I'll leave all the rest of the QT linking to the relevant players.

[Kairyuu]

@Glork: There were seven. We had confirmation from Tar through UK that he was still a player in the game. The reason that the scum faction won was because Tar would die when targetted, not only when killed, so since Snow rolecopped him there were 2 deaths instead of 1. My decision was valid (though not that intelligent) considering I was not aware of this piece of information.

[UncertainKitten]

Mod Notes

:

Nothing really to say here. D1, I wasn't sure who'd win.

D2, I was certain town would win. The Child Abuse mafia died too fast.

D3, I was still sure town would win. Hell, even N3 I spent half of it seeing Bitchiness as the underdog. But, they came through and got lucky.

Honestly, I was afraid that town had collusive lockdown with the red text. SC was confirmed, Leech was confirmed, Glork probably would have become confirmed. I'm not sure if the role PMs were quote proof or not. I'd like to think they were but I think I just got lucky that things didn't shake down completely unbalanced.

Either way, I had fun with a couple of the roles, and it felt good to actually get vote counts out regularly. Probably my best MODDING experience...I hope you all enjoyed the game, though it was really short :S

[Glork]

@Glork: There were seven. We had confirmation from Tar through UK that he was still a player in the game. The reason that the scum faction won was because Tar would die when targetted, not only when killed, so since Snow rolecopped him there were 2 deaths instead of 1. My decision was valid (though not that intelligent) considering I was not aware of this piece of information.

You still gave up and let yourself die on like three different assumptions that should NEVER be made in a role madness game. Nevermind the fact that you were also factually wrong about who was scum. Seriously, you should have fought to get one of your suspects lynched, especially if you were THAT confident they were scum. If the town decides to lynch you anyway, then it's the same result as if you let yourself be lynched.


Also, I've said this probably thirty or forty times on MafiaScum, but apparently people need to hear it again and again before they understand it:

PROOF OF ABILITY IS NOT PROOF OF ALIGNMENT

Again, I'd expect people to remember this in any kind of role madness game, but I guess some people never learn.

[Kairyuu]

Yes, I'm aware that it was my play that lost town the game, but I still had loads of fun. Nominating UK for a Most Enjoyable Game scummie. Some of you guys should come nth it.

[Cobalt]

ITT cobalt gets tired of UK's modding style

Why so Cobalt?

Having a bunch of night-interactions is fun. Having your faction's victory or loss depend on interactions between roles you never knew existed is less fun. In this game I had decent dayplay, RB'd a scum night 1, and would have protected a town PR night 2. But I was vanilla'd, then killed. After that I could only watch as wierd role interactions led to messed up claim situations and rendered traditional dayplay mostly moot.
I think I have reached the point where seeing all the wacky roles isn't as fun anymore if it controls the outcome of the game. I just don't want to play games where half the player list has 4 abilities anymore.

[UncertainKitten]

That's understandable, Cobalt. Honestly, I figured I was going to be unsatisifed with the result no matter HOW the night actions broke down N3. I wanted the underdog to win, but I didn't want an el cheapo night win because Tar was a little easier to kill. Well, I did want it, but I would have preferred a day victory. Regardless, I still think the game was balanced.

You

might

enjoy my next game that I've already signed up to mod. Insane Asylum II is actually a game that will actively DISCOURAGE trusting night actions, and will probably not be as role heavy, staying faithful to how IA I worked.

Speaking of which,

I HAVE A NEW PRE-/IN METHOD

:

If you pre-/in for my games, you have the option of including a list of players you

do not

want to play with. If a players name appears 5 or more times, that player will not be allowed in the game. Hopefully this change won't adversely affect anything. I merely would like to give players an enjoyable game experience.

[Kairyuu]

@Glork: There were seven. We had confirmation from Tar through UK that he was still a player in the game. The reason that the scum faction won was because Tar would die when targetted, not only when killed, so since Snow rolecopped him there were 2 deaths instead of 1. My decision was valid (though not that intelligent) considering I was not aware of this piece of information.

You still gave up and let yourself die on like three different assumptions that should NEVER be made in a role madness game. Nevermind the fact that you were also factually wrong about who was scum. Seriously, you should have fought to get one of your suspects lynched, especially if you were THAT confident they were scum. If the town decides to lynch you anyway, then it's the same result as if you let yourself be lynched.


Also, I've said this probably thirty or forty times on MafiaScum, but apparently people need to hear it again and again before they understand it:

PROOF OF ABILITY IS NOT PROOF OF ALIGNMENT

Again, I'd expect people to remember this in any kind of role madness game, but I guess some people never learn.

Where did that even factor in? I caught both of the remaining scum based on CORRECT assumptions. I just didn't manage to tie them together. Besides, I always get hyper-confident when I think I've broken the game. This is just the first time it's actually come back to bite me in the ass.

[Glork]

Umm Ray. Discode is conf-scum. All signs point to it.

This post begs to differ. You stated at least twice that Ray was "confirmed town" and that I was "confirmed scum." You did not "catch" both scums. You suspected Ray briefly before deciding that his "I'm not confirmed" bit made him protown, and you flatly stated THREE TIMES that I (protown) was "confirmed" scum by your other erroneous conclusions.

[Kairyuu]

Umm Ray. Discode is conf-scum. All signs point to it.

This post begs to differ. You stated at least twice that Ray was "confirmed town" and that I was "confirmed scum." You did not "catch" both scums. You suspected Ray briefly before deciding that his "I'm not confirmed" bit made him protown, and you flatly stated THREE TIMES that I (protown) was "confirmed" scum by your other erroneous conclusions.

I determined that Ray was the scum RB based on my assumptions about Navy's thought processes (I was right on both counts. He apparently tried to vig me, so Ray saved me). I also determined that Snow was scum based on UK not liking cops, and not being likely to put a role in as a fakeclaim when it was nonstandard when she could actually use it to see how it interacted. Yes, the second assumption was flawed, but I still came to the right conclusion. Also, after I went to Ray = scum RB I never came back to him being conf-town. Merely likely town.

I admit that I screwed up, and that it cost town the game, but I'm not going to apologize for using the info I had available (wrong or not) to the best of my ability in an attempt to guarantee a win.

[UncertainKitten]

I'm actually mildly surprised that S_B's PR didn't gain more discussion. Then again, it wasn't an obvious one. I was expecting it to see more play, but LOL QUICKLYNCH two days in a row.

[Cobalt]

That's understandable, Cobalt. Honestly, I figured I was going to be unsatisifed with the result no matter HOW the night actions broke down N3. I wanted the underdog to win, but I didn't want an el cheapo night win because Tar was a little easier to kill. Well, I did want it, but I would have preferred a day victory. Regardless, I still think the game was balanced.

You

might

enjoy my next game that I've already signed up to mod. Insane Asylum II is actually a game that will actively DISCOURAGE trusting night actions, and will probably not be as role heavy, staying faithful to how IA I worked.

I might be /in for that. It's not power roles I hate- I'd be up for a vanillaless game any day- but when make the day game look like a joke the density is too high.
I don't want to sound bitter because I was on the losing side. Our scumteam won TTGL in a very similar way. Jahudo messed up and claimed cult leader as town, and self-voted. Quickvote x3, gg. And the games probably are balanced, they're just so swingy based on the night stuff. I haven't looked at it closely but a scum team could probably have won even if town did something like lynch a low-power townie D1, then two members of a scumteam D2 and D3.

[CSL]

http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/aKUafXXCcgvnp < CA QT

Poor decision. You can see that.

(M_O, I would've shown it anyways...)

[UncertainKitten]

That's understandable, Cobalt. Honestly, I figured I was going to be unsatisifed with the result no matter HOW the night actions broke down N3. I wanted the underdog to win, but I didn't want an el cheapo night win because Tar was a little easier to kill. Well, I did want it, but I would have preferred a day victory. Regardless, I still think the game was balanced.

You

might

enjoy my next game that I've already signed up to mod. Insane Asylum II is actually a game that will actively DISCOURAGE trusting night actions, and will probably not be as role heavy, staying faithful to how IA I worked.

I might be /in for that. It's not power roles I hate- I'd be up for a vanillaless game any day- but when make the day game look like a joke the density is too high.
I don't want to sound bitter because I was on the losing side. Our scumteam won TTGL in a very similar way. Jahudo messed up and claimed cult leader as town, and self-voted. Quickvote x3, gg. And the games probably are balanced, they're just so swingy based on the night stuff. I haven't looked at it closely but a scum team could probably have won even if town did something like lynch a low-power townie D1, then two members of a scumteam D2 and D3.

Nyeh, I understand what you mean. See, you came to my games in a more power heavy time. Poof was power heavy but far more day based (though imbal'd by one role). IA I was basically "Don't let the night game rule you", and probably simultanious my most balanced and most bastardly game.

TTGL was a mess, I freely admit that. It COULD be balanced, but dear God did I screw that up. This game I think probably did well at swingy but balanced, but night interactions made things strange.

It would probably depend on how the night kills fell. Also, NC's Global Roleblock would have slowed the game down, which was the point. Generally good to fire that off N2. Course, he died, but I still don't think the game was unbalanced even at the end. Scum just flat got lucky. If they hadn't targetted Tar, town would almost certainly have won. You guys were very close to collusive lockdown thanks to red text. And could have possibly secured it if you tricked me with blue text.

[Cobalt]

haha, I guess that kind of sums up this game for me. A scumteam won because they targeted a dead player with a rolecop ability before he could force the mod to break the setup for him.

[UncertainKitten]

haha, I guess that kind of sums up this game for me. A scumteam won because they targeted a dead player with a rolecop ability before he could force the mod to break the setup for him.

I'm not certain I could be forced to break the set up. I would probably review all dubious questions with my back up mod. But you would get some information. Honestly, the pre given red text was more powerful than I ever anticipated. But I knew I needed a Beatrice Role like that. It was unavoidable .

But yeah, that was some unorthodox winning :S.

[Kinetic]

When I was looking over the game I knew it was going to be hard to "balance", but I did my best to help with it. I didn't think it went out too badly in the end truth be told.

also: http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/YswviyAEnN5]this

StrangerCoug and Necro get mason for a night, barely use the thread, and it turns into a Mod/back-up Mod comedy thread. Pure Gold.

[Netopalis]

Necropolis? Uh...I'm Netopalis. Anyway, I figured that SC wasn't talking because he was in the scumteam and they were killing me, so I stopped checking.

[UncertainKitten]

lol, nah, he was just busy. Only truly vanilla townie as well :p.

[Kinetic]

Neto, Necro, same thing.

[StrangerCoug]

Necropolis? Uh...I'm Netopalis. Anyway, I figured that SC wasn't talking because he was in the scumteam and they were killing me, so I stopped checking.

I work an eight-hour day that does not completely overlap when my parents work, and I take the bus my sister's apartment when I get off as I neither live where the buses run nor drive. She has a computer with Internet access, but I often have to wrestle with it to get it to cooperate, so I rarely get on mafiascum.net from there. I'm buying all the parts for her next computer when my parents tell me they don't need my money, so hopefully something like that won't happen again.