Open 212--Hard Boiled Mafia (Game Over)

[farside22]

Hi deer welcome to the chaos. A fresh eye and view on the players would be most welcomed.
I will be rereading in the morning to see what stands out to me the most.

[Jeffcole1]

The Open Queue works fast. NickF227 replaces Ythan, effective immediately. And with that, I bid you all good night.

[NickF227]

Um...hi, guys? Glad to be here.

[Deer]

Chaos is a great word for this game so far. Hopefully I cam breathe some sort of life into it.

Here's what I think about the players so far:

Bio Hazard: Tunnelling hard on MMM. And the one time he breaks away and makes a legitimate cause on mindgamer (one which I thought had more worth than anything he said about MMM) he goes right back and tunnels. Slightly scummy read.

chauchau: Town read. Took ythan's joke a little too seriously, but that's not too bad.

evilsnail: Neutral read, not a lot to go off of, but he does seem to be bandwagoning a bit and not really scumhunting.

farside: town read. nothing suspicious IMO...yet!

ksun: lurking it up, and even defended active lurking like he knew he would be doing it this game. Neutral read, I guess.

Mindgamer: Scummy read - BH's case on him had merit. Why did you stop thinking there was scum on the MMM wagon?

MMM: OMGUS-tunnelling right back onto BH. Slightly scummy read.

ortolan: Neutral. Not a lot of posts and no scumhunting efforts.

RayFrost: Scummy read. Freaked out a little about a multitude of RVS votes (which I think should not be taken seriously) and never did much other than argue with Ythan. My gut is just sensing something fishy here.

Semi: slightly town read, I agree with a lot of things he's saying. I think the heat Ythan gave him was somewhat undeserved.

Ythan: Slightly scummy read. It's obviously not fair to do what he did (use meta from an ongoing game) and some of his cases were weak.

So that's that, I'm going to

vote: mindgamer

. for reasons stated above.

[NickF227]

I've been reading, and I really have absolutely no idea what Ythan was doing. I think he needs to get off his non-existent high horse, but that's just me.

I can definitely get scum vibes from both mindgamer and MMM, and I might want to change my vote, but for now I'm just gonna...

Vote: Myterious Mystery Man

Just as a place holder if I change my mind.

[Mysterious Mystery Man]

@ Bio Hazard: That's not a strawman. A strawman is a misrepresentation of someone's arguments to provide an inadequate defence. Like how you said that it's illogical to scumhunt. Also, I didn't see RVS as over, my vote was not to be taken that seriously at first. I voted because you were the only lead I had. Interesting how your vote is acceptable but mine isn't.

And 'Nick', get out of here, moron. YOU ARE NOT IN THIS GAME!

[farside22]

@MMM

The Open Queue works fast. NickF227 replaces Ythan, effective immediately. And with that, I bid you all good night.

[evilsnail]

And 'Nick', get out of here, moron. YOU ARE NOT IN THIS GAME!

Lol.

Well, welcome to the game, 'Nick.' (If that's even your real name! )

@evilsnail: I'm not even close to being lynched. Why exactly do you find me scummy?

Your vote on Biohazard is pretty much completely OMGUS (which would be fine if you just admitted it, but you're acting like it isn't, which is weird). That was pretty much the basis of my initial suspicions, though the slip farside pointed out is also pretty bad.

[chauchaudotcom]

I can definitely get scum vibes from both mindgamer and MMM, and I might want to change my vote, but for now I'm just gonna..

More reasoning please. Why MMM over gamer? What was suspicious about them?

ksun: lurking it up, and even defended active lurking like he knew he would be doing it this game. Neutral read, I guess.

btw, where is ksun?

Also, I didn't see RVS as over, my vote was not to be taken that seriously at first. I voted because you were the only lead I had. Interesting how your vote is acceptable but mine isn't.

Given we are now SEVEN pages in. Is Bio & Frost still your only leads?

It wasn't RVS

, it was a case of either voting you or voting RayFrost.

Also,

I didn't see RVS as over

, my vote was not to be taken that seriously at first.

[Mindgamer]

Chauchaudotcom
How in the world is this a strong scum tell?

Statements like 'I know I'm good, but don't expect me to catch all the scum so soon!' are usually made by scum, not town.

Farside22
Mindgamer: Both MMM and rayfrost has the same number of votes why are you commenting just about MMM wagon?

MMM's wagon had 3½ votes, RayFrost's 3 including mine. Obviously I'm not going to critisize my own vote.

Bio Hazard
He criticizes the MMM wagon and calls someone on it scum, while not really saying why.

Because the wagon growed so quickly.

Bio Hazard
It's also hypocritical that you said this and then threw down the third vote in a quickly growing Ythan wagon.

Nope, because I believe I have a good reason for my vote.

Deer
Mindgamer: Scummy read - BH's case on him had merit. Why did you stop thinking there was scum on the MMM wagon?

I did? Not at all, sir. Could you point me to the post where you got this impression?

[NickF227]

And 'Nick', get out of here, moron. YOU ARE NOT IN THIS GAME!

LOLOLOLOLOLOL.

I mean, I could understand if it was the last post on a page, but the post announcing my addition is like, right above yours.

[Deer]

Hmm... I call sentences like these a strong scumtell. And I'm willing to vote for it.

Unvote. Vote: Ythan

Vote Count 1.6:

Mysterious Mystery Man (3): Bio Hazard, farside22, RayFrost
Ythan (3): evilsnail, mindgamer, semioldguy
semioldguy (2): ksun482, Ythan
Bio Hazard (1): Mysterious Mystery Man
ksun482 (1): ortolan
RayFrost (1): chauchaudotcom

Not Voting (1): Deer

Ythan is not on said wagon. Do you suspect him/nick over RF? BH? farside? If not, then why are you voting him?

[Deer]

EBWOP: quote failage.

Vote Count 1.6:

Mysterious Mystery Man (3): Bio Hazard, farside22, RayFrost
Ythan (3): evilsnail, mindgamer, semioldguy
semioldguy (2): ksun482, Ythan
Bio Hazard (1): Mysterious Mystery Man
ksun482 (1): ortolan
RayFrost (1): chauchaudotcom

Not Voting (1): Deer

[NickF227]

[quote="CCDC"I can definitely get scum vibes from both mindgamer and MMM, and I might want to change my vote, but for now I'm just gonna..

More reasoning please. Why MMM over gamer? What was suspicious about them?[/quote]


Mindgamer randomly critizing the MMM 'wagon' was pretty...weird. He just said "Oh, I think its scummy" and nothing else. I just thought that was really weird.

MMM has been kind of avoiding any kind of question or not going deep into it, when the 'wagon' started he revenge voted instead of trying to defend himself, and he seems to know more than he should. I would understand if the game started with a Night Phase, I would think it was a possibility he was a cop, but right now? No.

[Bio Hazard]

Farside22
Mindgamer: Both MMM and rayfrost has the same number of votes why are you commenting just about MMM wagon?

MMM's wagon had 3½ votes, RayFrost's 3 including mine. Obviously I'm not going to critisize my own vote.

Where's this half vote coming from?

Bio Hazard
He criticizes the MMM wagon and calls someone on it scum, while not really saying why.

Because the wagon growed so quickly.

... and the ythan wagon also happened quickly.

Bio Hazard
It's also hypocritical that you said this and then threw down the third vote in a quickly growing Ythan wagon.

Nope, because I believe I have a good reason for my vote.

I believe I have a good reason for my vote, too.

[Jeffcole1]

Vote Count 1.7:

Mysterious Mystery Man (4): Bio Hazard, farside22, NickF227, RayFrost
NickF227 (3): evilsnail, mindgamer, semioldguy
Bio Hazard (1): Mysterious Mystery Man
ksun482 (1): ortolan
Mindgamer (1): Deer
RayFrost (1): chauchaudotcom
semioldguy (1): ksun482

ortolan has been prodded.
Seeking replacement for ksun482.

[RayFrost]

RayFrost: Scummy read. Freaked out a little about a multitude of RVS votes (which I think should not be taken seriously) and never did much other than argue with Ythan. My gut is just sensing something fishy here.

ummm... wut?

I didn't 'freak out' over a multitude of random votes.

And how, exactly, have I not done much other than argue with ythan? For one, I've argued with MMM as well, stating that he's scummy.

I would also like to know how me 'freaking out' over something you think should not be taken seriously is scummy.

I would also like to know how you can go 'reasons' and then go 'my gut is

just sensing something fishy

' as if you had no idea, but you just had a feeling.

[Jeffcole1]

McGriddle replaces ksun482.

[McGriddle]

Hello everyone, and I will read up tomorrow mornin

[ortolan]

sorry for not posting, will do so tomorrow

[McGriddle]

This games seems to be stalling with very little going on.
Question time

What is your belief on policy lynching?

Do you think scum or town lurk more and why?

How active would you say you are in a typical mafia game?

1) I think scum use it more then town. There are some games I can see why a policy lynch is neccessary but they are in larger games.

2) I would say actively lurking is a scum trait. If a person is lurking it could be for many reasons and I see both alignments lurker.

3) I'm so active it hurts. Weekends I dont' post as much but during the work week you will see me here lots.

Policy Lynching is only okay when it's a game with Ythan in it. >.> But on a serious note, I like the idea of policy lynching, because if it comes down to a decision end-game then there should be no bias feelings.

Scum lurk, town get bored, theres no comparison IMO.

Pretty Active

[McGriddle]

This games seems to be stalling with very little going on.

I disagree.

Does anyone besides me not like MMM's last post?

No it was p.1 everything there is basically null. But I do find it alarming that you're pushing so hard for it.

I think you're telling the truth in one and that this is an obvious lie to cover up which.

Then you gotta lynch me.

Good to know that I can say two diff things as town and get caught out on it. :/

srsly, my opinion of my play varies. some days I think I'm uber 1337 superstar invincible jackshit scumhunter / mafioso extraordinaire

other days I think I'm just bad.

Same here, I understand this. But I must admit, lying is never good for the game so IGMEOY.



btw, obviously ksun wasn't lurking since I replaced him so any offense on that is null lol

[Bio Hazard]

This games seems to be stalling with very little going on.

I disagree.

Does anyone besides me not like MMM's last post?

No it was p.1 everything there is basically null. But I do find it alarming that you're pushing so hard for it.

Why? I was only pushing hard because people seemed to only want to talk about pointless random stuff and crappy meta.

I have yet to see an explanation from anyone (particularly deer, MMM, you) about why this is a scumtell.

[semioldguy]

No it was p.1 everything there is basically null. But I do find it alarming that you're pushing so hard for it.

I disagree with this reasoning. Just because it is page one does not make things null.

btw, obviously ksun wasn't lurking since I replaced him so any offense on that is null lol

Why did you feel the need to point this out?

[McGriddle]

No it was p.1 everything there is basically null. But I do find it alarming that you're pushing so hard for it.

I disagree with this reasoning. Just because it is page one does not make things null.

btw, obviously ksun wasn't lurking since I replaced him so any offense on that is null lol

Why did you feel the need to point this out?

1. That's fine, you can disagree, but RVing is NOT a scum tell no matter how you look at it. It will always be because of chance instead of evidence. Of course if they write "OMG guizz I am so cited to play wif muh scumm pawtnuh" sure, that is a case where you can come up positive on something. But saying they are scummy because their RV not being that great of reasoning is just stupid as no RV has reason. That's what makes it RV.

2. I pointed it out because it was in a tell about ksun that he was lurking. So I thought I would defend him (myself). Why did you feel the need to question this without reading the whole thread?