Last Will Mafia (Over)

[CryMeARiver]

HP, if ZEE and CMAR are scum with TTTT, that would make a four person scumgrouping, because of The1fifi. Do you think you could be wrong on one of them or do you think there's a four or five person scum team?

If ZEE is scum, then I'd bet he's on the other scum team.

Also I love CMAR-fifi interactions:

• CMAR votes ZEE, then fifi does the same thing the next day without any reasoning.

• fifi comments on my response to elscouta, then CMAR does the same thing along with misunderstanding something. (proof that he didn't read carefully)

• I'd call this a null tell. Scum could've just as easily given thir votes to town to make it look like scum are giving their votes to scum. Good overall analysis, though.

  I have to agree with this.
  it would be to obvious if the player who receives your vote in case your scum is your scum partner. BUT, could be very obvious that town would think it would be obvious, and therefore gambiting and passing the vote to your partner, right in top of the list.

Protecting CMAR without mentioning his name. Also passes away an opportunity to cause a mislynch (assuming CMAR is town, oh wait, he isn't)[/list]

• After fifi votes for me, CMAR expresses his suspicion on me. This would be normal. But his only post about me was suggesting I was next scummiest to ZEE, providing no reasons.

• CMAR says I'm scummy for voting him with "little" reason. I tell him that he'd find fifi's vote on me much more suspicious. CMAR doesn't recall that vote. He says he will look it up. He doesn't.

• CMAR hops on my wagon after fifi saying that I'm scummy as heck.

• fifi says gayle is scummy. CMAR says gayle is scummy and votes him.

Following amished's logic, they are both scum on the same side. Even if we don't, they've done a good work about protecting each other. So they're both scum. We lynch CryMeARiver.

Wow
This is a lot of connections that I did not intend nor realize and I guess the only thing I can say is that I am not his scumbuddy. I cannot really respond to this since all of it is true (except the part that I never looked up his vote on you). I would still like to see more evidence on me from others, but this does look like enough for my lynch. Bravo for providing this case hp[leaves] as if I was not the one it was against, I would hammer right away, but I am not Egyptian Scum.
Fishy, why do you repeatedly say I am scum for sure?

I do believe a claim is in order from me:

I am Tracker. I can target a player at night and learn who the player targeted the same night, but not the action that the player performed (I hope this is not modkillable because I did not quote my entire role PM and I paraphrased)
Night 1 I targeted TTTT and he did indeed kill Yosarian that night.
I will not out my Night 2 target as I believe it is a town PR[/quote]

Oh, and

Unvote

since it now seems that hp is genuinely scumhunting with reasoning

[LlamaFluff]

Vote Count

CryMeARiver (11) - hp [leaves], danakillsu, Amished, Netopalis, fishythefish, Shotty to the Body
danakillsu (3) - CSL, ortolan, DocPotter
Steam-Powered Shovel (1) - Parama
ortolan (1) - Netlava

Not Voting (9) - Steam-Powered Shovel, raider1869, nachomamma8, Elscouta, ZEEnon, CryMeARiver

[Netopalis]

CMAR: Did your N2 target target someone who died that night?

[CryMeARiver]

CMAR: Did your N2 target target someone who died that night?

No, if it had i would have outted it at the risk of it being a town vig...

[Netopalis]

Fair enough, I just wanted to check.

Unvote

for now, while I think this over.

[Netopalis]

Actually....

Why did you choose to track TatetotheTot?

[raider8169]

CMAR: Did your N2 target target someone who died that night?

No, if it had i would have outted it at the risk of it being a town vig...

Just to confirm you targeted someone on N2 who visited another person correct? Can you say who was targeted?

[CryMeARiver]

Actually....

Why did you choose to track TatetotheTot?

Cuz he was the scummiest one on D0 as I have posted many times

Just to confirm you targeted someone on N2 who visited another person correct? Can you say who was targeted?

Yes I did; No a) it tells us nothing really b) it gives maf. a kill tonight

[Parama]

Fish and Shotty really need to explain their CMAR votes plz.
Fishy's only mention of CMAR is in his first post, mentioning a possible TTTT-CMAR link. Which is obviously valid, but not worthy of an obvious bandwagon vote, especially from a player with more than one vote.
Shotty has never mentioned CMAR before, ever. Obvious bandwagon could not be more obvious.
Also, more votes on SPS please. CMAR/SPS dichotomy says high chance one is scum, and I've already been leaning SPS (obviously.)
hp [leaves] is obvtown by the way.
Raider prodding CMAR for information sets off many sirens.
CMAR, please stop quoting wall-o-text posts just to respond with 1-line answers.

[Steam-Powered Shovel]

I believe the claim.

Gonna do a re-read.

[Amished]

Just when I get caught up in another game this happens.

Unvote

[CryMeARiver]

I hope I get a doc on me tonight (HINT HINT, please be an active player doc). Though I've been thinking that a doc obviously should have been on Yos N1, so maybe there is a scum role that can break through doc's protect???

Don't like how CSL BW'ed and hasn't posted why (that reminds me of someone *Cough hp *Cough) and hasn't said much of anything yet, especially since he entered into a scummy position in the first place

Vote: CSL

[Netopalis]

You know...that's actually a really salient point. We've gotten a total of 5 posts from that player slot, one of which is asking for a replacement and none of which are more than 5 lines in length.

Vote: CSL

At the very least, we can toss some pressure over there for now.

[raider8169]

Raider prodding CMAR for information sets off many sirens.

The claim seems convenient but believable, so yes I wanted more info. It only makes sense to ask for more to try and confirm it. His point was valid and at this point he is likely to have tracked scum. I have never been a tracker and the games I have been in with them they normally lead to something good if that is his real role.

[Amished]

I hope I get a doc on me tonight (HINT HINT, please be an active player doc). Though I've been thinking that a doc obviously should have been on Yos N1, so maybe there is a scum role that can break through doc's protect???

Don't like how CSL BW'ed and hasn't posted why (that reminds me of someone *Cough hp *Cough) and hasn't said much of anything yet, especially since he entered into a scummy position in the first place

Vote: CSL

07 vikingfan - Nurse - Died Night One
19 DeathRowKitty TheLonging - Doctor - Died Night One

You mean one of those docs?

[Nachomamma8]

I don't believe CMAR's roleclaim for a minute, actually. I honestly don't think that he would fail to realize that a doctor and the nurse were dead; whenever I've been a town powerrole (or even when I've played well), I've ALWAYS been aware of doctor roles.

Vote: CMAR

More in a little bit, just wanted to get my 2 cents in.

[DocPotter]

Now that is something worth thinking about Nacho.

I wonder if CMAR could be laying the groundwork for a scum doc to protect him. With three killing roles, one presumably a town vig, it's certainly possible.

Unvote

[Steam-Powered Shovel]

Scum should also be aware of doctor roles. On top of that, the scum killed off the protective roles last night (assuming vig kill on 1fifi). So yeah, I don't see that as a scum tell.

[Steam-Powered Shovel]

I just ISOed vikingfan and TheLonging/DRK. Vikingfan explicitly mentioned protective roles and I would wager that that's why he was killed, so that would mean at least one of the two scum groups was actively hunting docs. Nothing in TheLonging/DRK's posts.

I'd say not paying attention to doctors would then be a town tell actually.

[Nachomamma8]

@Shovel: But town powerroles should be far more aware of doctors; they should be extremely paranoid about being NK'ed. But I do see your point...

I'm also not believing the claim because of the choices: tatetothetot, a dead player, on N0, and "an undisclosed second suspect" who's he's afraid of outing because he believes that it might be a town power role. It just seems fabricated...

[Parama]

Hmm... CMAR, you may have to out this power role if you want people to believe you. Sorry.
Oh, and don't take a whole day to try and fake a report. Not worth the effort.

[Elscouta]

A Tracker claim is very dangerous for scum, especially when claiming that he tracked a living player. I'm fine with letting him live, probably to take a bullet this night, or if he doesn't, we can always ask him his targets later.

I feel very uncomfortable about outing a targeting role that didn't target a dead person.

Nacho's point is reasonable, but a bit weak. I know I personally forgot about death of town docs as both PR and scum.

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[DocPotter]

What is it that DGB says, paraphrasing a role PM takes a moment, fabricating one takes time.

[Parama]

Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim can take an eternity.

[raider8169]

Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim can take an eternity.

It seems like every game I am in someone brings up DGB.

Nacho brings up a good point but I think its at least enough to hold off on. If CMAR is telling the truth he is prime for a night kill considering the docs are killed. If he lives to see tomorrow then it would be something to discuss.