Ok, DDD, it's time to look at the points I raised against you and how they have absolutely nothing to do with "bad play" and everything to do with "scummy play".
1) You have done approximately zero scum hunting this game, despite promising to do so early.
Scummy motivation: You made excuses for not being active early after being pressured about it by saying that 'itsa commin', yet it never comes. Looks to me like the exact same kind of excuse making you were doing in Appenine to me.
2) You go from thinking Amished is the scummiest player in the game to following him completely on Reckoner.
Scummy motivation: you wanted to make yourself look good later in the game. Reck was clearly not going to be lynched on Day 1 and your lack of any pushing for it wasn't helping anything. However, you've been able to conveniently (and vocally) claim now that you were SOOO right about Reck in the first place.
3) Claiming credit for the Reckoner wagon
Scummy motivation: while this may be relatable to the last point, it is a major sticking point for me. YOU DID NOTHING TO FURTHER THE WAGON, and yet seem to be portraying yourself as a hero over it. You were just far too certain about it for my taste and I think it was deliberate.
4) All of our masons were top scum targets for you
Scummy motivation: Obviously if you had a semi-mason read on any of them, trying to get lynches going on them to the point of claiming would help narrow down your mason reads and help you to better direct your night kills.
Now to finally address DDD's responoses to my iso of him:
DDD wrote:I got behind Amished’s theory pretty much as soon as he promoted it; I tried to get him back on that wagon when he left it for the D1 mislynch. As soon as D2 began I jumped back on the wagon and unlike others never wavered; I’m not sure how I could’ve run with that idea more than I did.
Even if we exclude that I think I’m hardly alone in being more than a little uncertain and indecisive in this game.
Again, this is you claiming FAR more credit for anything Reck related than you actually did. You voted and essentially lurked after charlatan was L-2 and was pretty much dead. Then Day 2 you voted and said very little. I don't see how this is you "running" with anything. As far as the bolded, well I agree that scumhunting this game has been very difficult, but I don't see you doing much of it or trying to work things out.
DDD wrote:As the numbers from Apennine showed there was a significant gap in my meta. I would’ve been a fool not to fix the gap. Since it was easier to slow down my activity to my scum level than ramp up my scum activity to town levels that’s what I did. I’ve never denied that and I’ve never used meta as a positive argument except to counter those trying to make the argument that it indicts me.
Ok, as long as you admit it I'm cool. I know you're a very smart guy and I wanted Vi to realize that you know your own meta.
DDD wrote:So when I found something and ran with it overconfidently that’s scummy; except earlier I was being chided for not running with anything. If you want to get on my case about the argument with Amished being poor that’s fine because it was poor, but your arguments about not running with anything versus being convinced are at cross-purpose and are absolute nonsense.
No, I don't think Amished's arguments were poor. In fact, I think I'm the person who knows his argument best. I've seen it before and he and I have had extensive discussions about it when we've played as a hydra.
My issue isn't that you ran with something either. My issue is that you ran with something from your top scum suspect. I find it hard to believe that you did a 180 on your read over a tell you've never seen before and could easily be seen as contrived.
DDD wrote:In this game I’m the only person who hasn’t been voting confirmed town at deadline: you, Vi, and Zorblag were all on the D1 mislynch, PCE was on another town wagon; I was voting for scum. Vi was also voting for a pro-town player on D2 while I helped lynch scum. And on D3 Hito was voting a pro-town player; while VPB, Vi, and Zorblag all contributed to the mislynch. Scumhunting is just the tool to find and lynch scum and by that standard you have absolutely no place to chide me. For all your “scumhunting” you’ve lynched more town than scum; the same cannot be said about me.
Again, Mr. Perfect outside the reality of actually not knowing who the scum were from the start. I think you're a great player, but far from infallible in your reads. Pardon me if I find this more than hard to swallow.
DDD wrote:So your argument here is that I’m too confident that the player who flipped SCUM would flip TOWN and that’s why I’m that player’s scum partner.
At least you made it obvious that you’re blatantly making shit up with that last one. Really trashes the positive read I had on you from the rest of the game.
Day 5 and you haven't been on a SINGLE mislynch. Show me a single other game where you reached Day 5 and did the same thing and I'd have to reconsider my position.