Mini 931: Supreme Court Mafia (Game Over post 682)

[Jack]

You can claim last if you want.

[Battousai]

Vote Count:

Not Voting:

Netopalis, jasonT1981, pman5595, Dry-fit, Darox, Fishythefish, Jack, camn

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch!

[Netopalis]

If you folks don't mind, yeah. If anyone objects, though, I can claim earlier.

[jasonT1981]

Jack should not claim next.

hmmm, again you are defending him, I am finding this more and more interesting... Why should Jack not claim next.

Just outta curiosity?

[camn]

Hihihi!

I just got home... I had a wonderful trip.

CLAIM: vanilla justice, Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

I crumbed the name, but the rest was smokescreen, trying to draw the NK.

Dry-fit next?

@Jason... give Darox some slack here. He obv has some info, and needs not be rushed.

[Fishythefish]

Claims with order:
Jason - Antonin Scalia, vanilla justice
Pman - Allen J Counard, town veto holder, vetoed Bub then no one.
Camn - vanilla justice, Ruth Bader Ginsburg
Dry-fit
Darox
Jack
Fishy
Netopalis

I think this is a good order (with Neto's semiclaim, I'm happy for the rearrangement). I'd also say that "claiming" doesn't have to mean claiming everything. As an example, if I'm a tracker and I'm claiming before anyone at all, my claim will be "tracker" - not my results as well. Revealing vetoing Bub is totally fine, but be wary about revealing results that could help the scum.

Dry-fit, take the stand...

[Dry-fit]

I am Chief Justice John G. Roberts. I am vanilla.

[Darox]

I think this is a good order (with Neto's semiclaim, I'm happy for the rearrangement). I'd also say that "claiming" doesn't have to mean claiming everything. As an example, if I'm a tracker and I'm claiming before anyone at all, my claim will be "tracker" - not my results as well. Revealing vetoing Bub is totally fine, but be wary about revealing results that could help the scum.

Dry-fit, take the stand...

No, if your claim is tracker, you're claiming all your results as well.

That's the point of the ordered mass claim, to force people to take stances before they know the full details of the set up, which makes it harder for scum to fake claim. Hence why you want suspected scum at the top of the list and confirmed townies at the bottom.

Which is why Netopalis isn't going last.

[Darox]

I am Chief Justice John G. Roberts. I am vanilla.

Looks like Fishys turn to me.

[Fishythefish]

It's your turn by my count.

I really disagree about claiming results - if you have results on people claiming later, you want the to commit before you reveal them.

[Darox]

It's your turn by my count.

I really disagree about claiming results - if you have results on people claiming later, you want the to commit before you reveal them.

And if you're scum and want to fake claim, you want people to commit so you can craft your claim around them.

Which is why, as I said above, you want the most townie people going last.

Netopalis does not fit this description.

[Fishythefish]

I understand the principles of claim order. I actually think that all of me, Jack and Neto are likely to be town, so I'm not overly bothered about the order there. On reflection though, I am least certain of Neto, and would prefer if he claimed before Jack and I.

At any rate, I think you should claim next, Darox.

[Darox]

I understand the principles of claim order. I actually think that all of me, Jack and Neto are likely to be town, so I'm not overly bothered about the order there. On reflection though, I am least certain of Neto, and would prefer if he claimed before Jack and I.

At any rate, I think you should claim next, Darox.

And I think you should claim next.

How about it?

[Fishythefish]

I think there is something of a consensus that you are scummier than me/you should claim before me. Certainly from this thread, the following people think so:
Me, Neto, Jack, jason
And only you hold the opposite view. This is all IIRC, but I'm pretty sure I do. So I think you should be claiming now.

[Fishythefish]

In case it's unclear, my reference to a tracker claim was purely an example, and is in no way intended to claim whether or not I'm a tracker.

[Netopalis]

Darox should claim next. The names of the people that I was concerned about have already claimed, so I'm happy with claiming after Darox.

[Netopalis]

Actually, I take that back - there is one more character that I need to see claim. Sorry.

[Jack]

I think there is something of a consensus that you are scummier than me/you should claim before me.

I don't know about that, that side of the list is basically fuzzy.

[Netopalis]

Jack, I'm much more convinced of Fishy than I am of you or Darox. I'm also much more convinced of you than I am of Darox.

[Jack]

I think fishy could play good scum.

Darox is at least implying he has a good/role related reason to want to go after fishy. Fishy pulled out the consensus line which is kind of weak.

[Fishythefish]

I don't want to claim before darox simply because I don't want him to have any information about me. He hasn't said he has a good reason to want me to go first. If we both want the other to go first, the consensus is what matters - and I think the consensus is broadly on my side.

[Jack]

I do disagree with his point about the tracker. Obviously if you have a tracking result on someone who hasn't claimed yet you don't want to claim it. And scum can just say they tracked a scum partner/vanilla townie.

Darox, why did you say it "looked like fishy's turn" when the list we'd been using had him at the bottom?

[pman5595]

although the general consensus has Darox before Fishy, it seems that Darox has a specific reason for wanting Fishy to claim before him. I think that would be fine. IMO the order should be

Darox
Fishy
Netopolis
Jack

[camn]

Fishy is OBV-town.
Jack is semi-confirmed.
Netopolis is softclaiming?
and
Darox is getting scummier by the post.

[Darox]

I do disagree with his point about the tracker. Obviously if you have a tracking result on someone who hasn't claimed yet you don't want to claim it. And scum can just say they tracked a scum partner/vanilla townie.
Darox, why did you say it "looked like fishy's turn" when the list we'd been using had him at the bottom?

Because I wanted him to go next.

But whatever.

My name is Simon Jackson, and I am vanilla.