Mini 686 - Chess Mafia (Done)

[Indigo Heron]

I'm not sure 'if the king does not act, his men won't' philosophy applies to this game.

move: Qc8

[Mr. Black]

41. Ke3

is the move.

[Mr. Flay]

phpBB question:

This chess mod isn't going to transfer to the updated forum. How long will you guys

realistically

need to wrap this game up?

[Mr. Black]

I'll PM Mr. Flay about this.
Locking topic for night.

[Mr. Black]

Rf6

[Thok]

I'm pondering Qe4. I'm likely to vote for it soon.

[Indigo Heron]

I could care less for such small game right now.

move: Qc8

[Thok]

I could care less for such small game right now.

I'm utterly confused how you think Qc8 helps at all.

[EmpTyger]

There are a lot of interesting moves here. I'm not ready to vote yet.

IH:
What do you mean by "small game"?

[veerus]

IH has been very non-cooperative lately. Voting for odd moves with very little explanation.

I'm debating between Qe4 and Qe5. Both have merits.

[veerus]

Mr. Black, what was the result of your conversation with Mr. Flay? How much time do we have left?

[Mr. Black]

I'll let Mr. Flay answer.

[Mr. Flay]

We probably have less than two weeks before the forum changeover. Mr. Black said that you probably have (at least) 6-12 weeks of gameplay left. I've been looking for offsite options to keep the game going, and http://www.chess.com/analysis-board-editor.html looks pretty solid. It allows me to paste in the PGN notation from the first post and doesn't try to let a computer play or anything stupid. It doesn't save the game state between loadings, but we can work around that with PGN.

So long as you don't need the board for anything but looking at, we can certainly keep this game going after the forum upgrade. I'm open to other ideas for sites to 'host' your game if you know of any that meet the neutral criteria listed above (feel free to PM me rather than clutter your game thread).

[Thok]

Mr. Black said that you probably have 6-12 weeks of gameplay left.

I will say that 6-12 weeks of gameplay strikes me as an underestimate. Unless a horrible blunder happens soon, 20 weeks sounds like a more reasonable lower bound (assuming 20 moves and a week per move, both of which seem like reasonable assumptions.)

[Haylen]

Whatever happens, I want the game to continue. It' been going on for too long for it to be stopped by an outside influence .__.

[Sudo_Nym]

Whatever happens, I want the game to continue. It' been going on for too long for it to be stopped by an outside influence .__.

At this point, I say, screw the 6-12 weeks. Let's keep this going forever. We can stretch this out for the lifetime of MS, if we wanted to, so let's go for it.

[Haylen]

Yes.

But I wanted to mod another chess mafia game after this ends? :O

[Abstract Actuary]

I actually have some ideas for how to make this game run much more smoothly (and be a better combination of chess and mafia) that I've been thinking of running on another site I play mafia on. I wouldn't run it again with the current rule set.


Anyhow, I much prefer Qe5.

[Thok]

Anyhow, I much prefer Qe5.

Qe5 Kf7, then what?

[Herodotus]

I think Qe4 looks a little better, but they probably won't be too different in the long term. (In particular, I don't think we can force a gain of material based on the advantages that Qe4 has.)

That site looks like it will work. It's really only the move list that matters.

[Mr. Flay]

Whatever happens, I want the game to continue. It' been going on for too long for it to be stopped by an outside influence .__.

I am in no way trying to stop or abort the game. I can not state with confidence, however, that the current chess.php engine will be available under the new forum, so I want to make sure you all have options available.

I'm aware that "6-12 weeks" was probably an underestimate; the important part

for me

was the "definitely more than 2 weeks" part.

[EmpTyger]

What about Qd7? Not ready to vote, but so far I'm liking it better than Qe4 or Qe5.

Thok:
Can you try to not give Black move advice? Obviously you should point out problems if there's need of persuading us to vote differently, but don't just gratuitously suggest the best response for Black. I'm not sure how much long-term analytic capability they have.

[Thok]

What about Qd7? Not ready to vote, but so far I'm liking it better than Qe4 or Qe5.

I think Qd7 is better than Qe5, for what it's worth.

Thok:
Can you try to not give Black move advice? Obviously you should point out problems if there's need of persuading us to vote differently, but don't just gratuitously suggest the best response for Black. I'm not sure how much long-term analytic capability they have.

I agree with you, but I had already pointed out the strength of that move yesterday. That was the time to yell at me. (Actually the time to yell was a few moves earlier, as there's one move I truly regret mentioning.) But your concern is the reason I haven't really said that much about the responses to Qe4.

[veerus]

Anyhow, I much prefer Qe5.

Qe5 Kf7, then what?

Qh5+

Also, Qd7 Kf7, then a big fat nothing. So let's not do that.

As far as "not helping black".. we've gone through this earlier in the game (so I guess most current players have probably missed the argument) but the gist is that since this is a game of complete information, if we make the best move, it doesn't matter what black does. And we can't make the best move if people try to silence the discussion under the pretense of helping black.

[EmpTyger]

I think I'm ready to

move: Qd7

Thok:
(Yeah, I figured. I wasn't being passive-aggressive; it was intended as genuinely constructive.)

I'm not seeing any advantages to Qe4 and one big disadvantage- we wouldn't be playing Ke4 any time soon. Is there something clever I'm missing with Qe4? (y/n)

---

veerus:
Uh, there's something after Qd7 Kf7. Moreover, there's certainly more there than after Qe5 Kf7 Qh5+. Which is either a 3-move repetition draw, or else there's something that the white queen can do something on h5 that it can't do on d7. Which I don't see at all.