Mini 931: Supreme Court Mafia (Game Over post 682)

[camn]

ok then.

Jason - Antonin Scalia, vanilla
Pman - Allen J Counard, veto holder
Camn - Ruth Bader Ginsburg, vanilla
Dry-fit - Chief John G. Roberts, vanilla
Darox - Simon Jackson, vanilla
Fishy
Netopalis
Jack

Google says Allen Counard is a lawyer, one in michigan even.... is Simon Jackson one too?

[Netopalis]

Darox: Who does your flavor say that Simon Jackson is? He's not one of the two attorneys involved in Michigan v. Fisher.

[Fishythefish]

Massclaim is holding us back and all the people who I wanted to claim before me have.

I am David A McCreedy, vanilla attorney. I'm the other attorney in Michigan vs. Fisher, and I rather imagine I'm the one Neto is looking for (just a hunch - the attorneys seem to be the characters who stand out).

[Netopalis]

Actually, no. If you're McCreedy, it's Darox's character I was looking for. Let me explain...

I'm John Paul Stevens, vanilla justice.

...

Why would I be making such a fuss over being vanilla? It's because my role directly contradicts the opening flavor post. According to the opening post, the scum SHOULD be the attorney in favor of the dissent in Michigan v. Fisher (Pman), myself and Sotomayor.

That's not the case, though. I was really nervous about a massclaim for this reason, because I assumed I'd be mislynched. However, one good thing about Bub's flip is that we know that he was Sotomayor and that he was town - I'd like to point to that in favor of my claim being true.

That being said, there are several oddities in the opening setup. If the justices of the dissent and the attorney in favor of that side are not the mafia, then who is? More importantly,

why do we have a Secret Service agent when the Secret Service has nothing to do with the Supreme Court

?

Honestly, on that point, I'm not terribly sure. I've concocted a rather weird idea that's been brewing in my head for some time - if this doesn't seem to make sense to anybody else, then that's fine, but it makes a whole lot of sense to me.

The Secret Service has two jobs - it serves as a counterfeit investigation unit and as the protection of important governmental figures - primarily, the President. The presence of the Secret Service implies to me that a President is involved somehow, probably as the scum. However, since Sotomayor flipped town, we know that it's not likely Obama. It can't be Bush I appointees because Thomas flipped town. It also can't be Reagan, since Kennedy flipped town. It can't be Bush, since Alito flipped town.

This leaves 1 possible President - Clinton. Clinton appointed two justices, Ginsburg and Breyer. Therefore, if my theory is correct, the scumteam would be Camn, Jack and Darox. I'll need to go back and read over a few things to see if this theory holds any water.

At any rate, let me know what you folks think. It's entirely possible that I've just gone Glenn Beck-esque crazy, but I think that there might be something to this list.

[Fishythefish]

Let's wait for Jack to claim.

[Jack]

Stephen Breyer, vanilla justice

I don't really get neto's theory. Why are you assuming the president is involved? The opening write up explicitly states that he isn't.

[Netopalis]

I'm assuming it because there's no other reason for the secret service to be involved. The secret service does not protect the SCOTUS.

[pman5595]

very interesting theory, Neto.

[Jack]

I'm assuming it because there's no other reason for the secret service to be involved. The secret service does not protect the SCOTUS.

Does Battousai know that?

The opening flavor says something about the justices looking around and seeing no one but themselves, the attorney's, and the secret service agent. I think they would recognize the president.

[pman5595]

Just noticed...The researcher hasn't claimed, so they are scum, whomever they are.

[camn]

in summary

Jason - Antonin Scalia, vanilla
Pman - Allen J Counard, veto holder
Camn - Ruth Bader Ginsburg, vanilla
Dry-fit - Chief John G. Roberts, vanilla
Darox - Simon Jackson, vanilla
Fishy - David A McCreedy, vanilla
Netopalis - John Paul Stevens, vanilla
Jack - Stephen Breyer, vanilla

Firstly, I dont get what Neto is talking about either. Are you saying Bill Clinton is the mastermind behind the killing of the court?

Secondly... Darox.. can you elaborate on your identity?

[Netopalis]

Camn: Well, not exactly. I'm trying to look for something that would explain two things:

1) A connection between either 2 or 3 justices

2) A reason for the Secret Service to be involved

My theory is the only thing I could think of which covers both questions.

[Netopalis]

Oh, and BTW, I think that to bolster this, we need to remember that Darox claimed "Simon Jackson". I'm presuming that he's the Secret Service agent. Why didn't he include that fact? Was he hoping we wouldn't notice?

[Jack]

Counard was one of the lawyers you said? And he was the veto holder.

Fishy gets major scum points for probably being the researcher. Hmm.

[Fishythefish]

@Jack: in the signups, the mod said the roles were allocated in a way that wouldn't work with specific flavours being researcher/vetoer/other thing.

[Jack]

I see. Well, that destroys neto's theory too I think.

I'm very much inclined to think we have some fake vanilla claims at the top though.

[Netopalis]

The opening post says that researcher, veto holder and investigator are given randomly amongst all pro-town and anti-town players. This does not say that the mafia is not based on flavor, it juts means that those particular abilities are given out at random.

[Jack]

It also says that the roles aren't based on flavor. We know the researcher is anti-town, so if it was based on flavor then fishy would be guilty. I would assume mafia is not based on any flavor either.

[Fishythefish]

I think that the mafia being based on flavour is possible, but not likely. I'll have a detailed look at the flavour Neto is suggesting some time, and go from there.

[jasonT1981]

I think fishy could play good scum.

Darox is at least implying he has a good/role related reason to want to go after fishy. Fishy pulled out the consensus line which is kind of weak.

Yes, he was and yet claimed vinilla.......

weird. The way he was talking it seemed like he had information

[Netopalis]

That's actually a really salient point. Darox, if you're vanilla, why do you feel like going after Fishy?

[camn]

I don't think a flavor argument can catch us any scum here.

Lets try wagon analysis. We don't have much to go on.. but let us try.
Prepare for a LONG post.

[camn]

FIRST, lets talk about Yosarian:

Looking back with knowledge of his role..and knowing Yos how I do, I think it is clear who Yos investigated.
It seems there was a night zero

It is now N0, all players may use any non-killing powers they have.

And I am certain that Yos investigated GREEN CRAYONS.
Exhibit A: Yos's first post:

Hey, everyone. Ah, green crayons is in this game, awesome, haven't played with you in a while.

and later posts:

Obvtown: Green Crayons

Green Crayons is still very obv town here.

GC jumped on him for this (which surprises me, in retrospect) and so did

JASON1981

. Scumpoints for rolefishing

I add, that I find it even more troubling you can declare him Obivious town when he has only made 10 posts!

Care to explain?

>>>NOW DAY 2

Yosarian, imo, investigated and got an innocent on JACK Night 1.
Exhibit B:

I'm sure people are going to jump all over me for saying this, but Jack is obv town here, and Dark Lights actions in response to him are looking odder and odder.

Plus other defenses of Jack.

Thus we can conclude, imo, that Yosarian had an innocent on Jack, as well as GC. since GC was indeed town, we can conclude that Yos was at least MOSTLY sane.

[camn]

NOW, wagon analysis:

Bub Bidderskins

-7- Jack,

Yosarian2

, Fishythefish, Netopalis,

Green Crayons

, pman5595, Darox

OFF WAGON

-- Dry-fit,

Bub Bidderskins

, jasonT1981, camn,

DarkLightA

DarkLightA

-5- camn, Darox, Netopalis, jasonT1981, pman5595

OFF WAGON

-- Dry-fit, Jack, Fishythefish,

Yosarian2, DarkLightA

Hm.
Well.. let us make a couple assumptions.
First, three scum? I think in this size game, that would be normal.

Second, I REALLY DOUBT that all three scum would be on both myslynches. In fact, if they were playing how >I< would, I doubt that all three scum would be on either mislynch
Which could give us a decent look.
That would put at least one scum in: {

Dry-fit, jasonT1981, camn

}
AND at least one scum in: {

Dry-fit, Jack, Fishythefish

}

Now, given the first day.. although I ALSO doubt that ALL THREE SCUM would be OFF the wagon, Bud seemed to have a lot of scumminess.. and the wagon seems pretty town-driven as I look back. PLUS, I happen to know that I am totally town,

so I think 1, probably both of {

Dry-fit, jasonT1981

} are scum.

On the next day, we had a researched-lynch.
Given that the researcher didn't claim, we can be pretty confident the researcher is scum. Thus, the scum knew that the lynch only needed 5 votes. I think that makes it pretty likely that 2 of the scum were ON the wagon.. but I doubt they would risk ALL the scum being on, especially given DLA's incredible scumminess... and the fact they at least one of them is smart, since they picked up on Yosarians crumbs.
This puts ONE scum in {

Dry-fit, Jack, Fishythefish

}, imo.
I think Fishy is obvtown, as i have said before. Jack is innocent, as explained in my previous. which leaves us with

{

Dry-fit

} as prob-scum.

.

As Jason and Dry-fit's partner, I choose Darox. Why?
a) his scumminess today
b) On the DLS wagon, I am town, and Neto seems pretty town to me. Pman could be scum.. but hammering the way he did would be a pretty sloppy move, and so far this game I haven't got the impression that this is a sloppy scumteam, so I doubt it. Thus, Darox.


-------IN SUMMARY-------------------------

this is my view of the wagons:

Bub Bidderskins

-7-

Jack

,

Yosarian2

, Fishythefish, Netopalis,

Green Crayons

, pman5595,

Darox

OFF WAGON

--

Dry-fit

,

Bub Bidderskins

,

jasonT1981

, camn,

DarkLightA

DarkLightA

-5- camn,

Darox

, Netopalis,

jasonT1981

, pman5595

OFF WAGON

--

Dry-fit

,

Jack

, Fishythefish,

Yosarian2, DarkLightA

[Darox]

Camn's right in that it's obvious who Yosarian investigated.

My flavour name is actually officer, and I am in the court to keep order.

Netopalis - John Paul Stevens, Vanilla Justice
jasonT1981 - Antonin Scalia, Vanilla Justice

Yosarian2 - Samuel Alito, Investigator Justice

pman5595 - Allen J Counard, Veto Holding Attorney

DarkLightA - Clarence Thomas, Vanilla Justice

Dry-fit - John G. Roberts, Vanilla Chief Justice
Darox - Simon Jackson, Vanilla Officer
Fishythefish - David A McCreedy, Vanilla Attorney
Jack - Stephen Breyer, Vanilla Justice

Bub Bidderskins - Sonia Sotomayor, Vanilla Justice

camn - Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Vanilla Justice

GreenCrayons - Anthony Kennedy, Vanilla Justice

No one has claimed researcher. This suggests that the researcher is scum. However, if this is the case, the scum can't be a three man team, otherwise they would have already won.