I would hope not.Panacea wrote:I don't think Cojin is a VT claiming Doc.
I don't want to do the scum's work for them. I'm sure they can figure out what they need to do without us laying out scenarios anymore than we may have already.Panacea wrote:Well, that depends on the NK process, I suppose. If the Doc protects a player in the same Night phase scum kills them, does the protect still hold?havingfitz wrote:What do you mean you want Cojin's protect before they NK him?Panacea wrote:I'd prefer we not lynch him today; if there isn't a Roleblocker in-game, I want Cojin's protect before they NK him Tonight.
He is by no means cleared in my eyes so leave me out of that group. I've just been focused on the scummier options when not engaged in the ISO debates with him. I had a town read on him earlier but it is wearing off. I'm still waiting for him to answer questions from my last mini-wall regarding his suspicions of Lawls and defence of Cojin.Panacea wrote:Also... Acosmist. I don't have a case at all (which, in and of itself is disturbing) to support this, but the fact that he's really received little to no suspicion Today doesn't bode well. He's one hell of a good player, to the point that he commands instant respect. People disagree with him for posts and posts, and yet no one calls him scummy. Also, sometimes it seems like random things get injected into his textwalls. If Acosmist is scum, he's in a position to give us one mighty runaround. Hmm. "Curiouser and curiouser." I just definitely don't feel we should be clearing him via groupthink as we seem to have been thus far.
What is your case on me Cojin? My suspicions towards you? OMGUS? I don't recall an explanation.Cojin wrote:IMO it would be to risky for scum to make a power role claim this early in the game but as a result of me being the scummiest atm (i acttualy dont belive this due to my beleaf there is 2 town and 2 scum on my wagon meaning only 2 of the town belive i am scum) the scum being Havingfits and laws of course im not really afraid of someone ccing me because it would confirm after my lynch at least 1 scum (aka the guy who claimed doc) when i flip doc it would be too obv who is scum.
I do think that this is pretty accurate. I refuse to think that Lawls is playing us with his replacement maneuvering. I explained my reasoning above that this made him Townish, but I find myself being convinced that this reasoning here is superior. I was calling Lawls scummy long before this. . . stuff, so I don't have a huge problem deciding toAcosmist wrote:I really don't think Lawls can be judged by his shenanigans with being replaced, because, as EF and I have discussed before, he doesn't seem like a mastermind. You have to impute some considerable cunning to him to call that a plan. I think he's scum for what he did before, avoiding questions, recycling analysis, etc. I think the pressure of keeping up his facade when he was faced with the kind of play here broke him, and he threw in the towel.
Nah. . . really??! :shocked:Acosmist wrote:I'm a good BSer. I have two degrees, one in philosophy, one in law. I know how to write long, boring columns of text with more style than substance.
). He consistently hasn't posted in at least 3 of his games, like ours, since the 20th. Acosmist wrote: I have two degrees, one in philosophy, one in law.
I gave plenty of reason for my suspicions towards Cojin and I have never tried to get any policy lynched. I try to get people for scummy actions/accusations....such as accusing others of pushing for policy lynches. What were your reasons again for suspecting Lawls? I ask because you never really made much of a case on Lawls when you voted him.Acosmist wrote:I don't like havingfitz's attempt to cast the Cojin lynch as a policy lynch.
I really don't like this post. At the time this was made Lawls was at L-1 and Pan had not voted yet. You dig for a last second Cop claim and basically switch from from one L-1 wagon to another. I like the *sigh* though...it adds that extra feeling touch.Nachomamma8 wrote:*sigh* I hate this. Right now, it would be optimum for a cop claim. BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE ACTIVITY FOR IT BECAUSE RF + BaB ARE LURKING!!!! Ugh.
Vote: Lawls
I hate this lynch, but it's all that's going to get through and Lawls lynch > No lynch.
I wouldn't say nacho was committed to the Lawls lynch. I don't care for this hammer that much but under the circumstances I am inclined to give Pan a slight pass. The lamenting having to do it is a bit much though.Panacea wrote:No! I've thought all day that we had one more!
Don't have time to figure up the hours remaining. However:
Havingfitz is perfectly adamant that his vote stays on Cojin.
RayFrost and Bridges are perfectly AWOL.
Acosmist, Nacho, Elementary, and Cojin are all perfectly committed to the Lawls lynch.
Lawls can't lynch himself.
*glances around* Well... This sucks. I didn't realize mine was the only movable vote.
vote: Lawls
I'm breaking the mold here. I don't think he's scum, but we don't have enough players for me to stand alone on principle...
So, let's see here. You think that the scum among us could be either Acosmist, me (slightly), BridgesAndBaloons, Panacea, and Nachomamma8. I assume that you are claiming yourself to be innocent. That means you are suspicious of five of the remaining six players, and the sixth (RayFrost) is merely “to be determined.”havingfitz wrote:Coming out of D/N1 I'm leaning against Acosmist being scum...slightly against EF as scum. TBD on Ray. ATM, I'm thinking scum are within the BaB, Pan and Nacho group. Really don't like how Nacho handled the end of D1 though.
Well, that tells me absolutely nothing about Acosmist.Phate wrote: Cojin has been killed. He was a Doctor.
Was this your effort at hard hitting analysis? As for mine…I don’t usually consider anyone town unless they have been somehow confirmed…so it is all level of scumminess to me. Acosmist is at the low end of the spectrum and Nacho is at the other. You are higher on the smartass spectrum for me at the moment but that’s not worth moving you on my suspect list. As for Cojin…he played scummy. I made my case against him...feel free to review it. Are you saying Cojin was obviously a doc before his flop? If so…how? If not, N.S.Sherlock. I made my reasons for voting Cojin clear…what was your reason for a convenient vote on the Lawls? Can you justify to the rest of us your last second move to a townie wagon?Elementary Fermion wrote:So, let's see here. You think that the scum among us could be either Acosmist, me (slightly), BridgesAndBaloons, Panacea, and Nachomamma8. I assume that you are claiming yourself to be innocent. That means you are suspicious of five of the remaining six players, and the sixth (RayFrost) is merely “to be determined.”havingfitz wrote:Coming out of D/N1 I'm leaning against Acosmist being scum...slightly against EF as scum. TBD on Ray. ATM, I'm thinking scum are within the BaB, Pan and Nacho group. Really don't like how Nacho handled the end of D1 though.
Thank you for that hard-hitting analysis. Also, looking back on how adamant you were against Cojin, who obviously was the doctor, can you justify to the rest of us your continued push against him?
You might have tagged five (and perhaps you will determine the remaining six) of us as suspicious. (Welcome to Mafia by the way--suspicions run rampant!) But I would have to say that you occupy the highest spot on my scum list now.
I made clear my argument for Panacea's scumminess, based on the statement she made about a potential modkill. I reasoned that no Townie would make such a statement—unless, and this is a big unless—such Townie was putting the sanctity of MS above any game or win condition. Panacea both pre- and post-modkill statement acted pro-town, and she stands resolutely by the single proposition which would go around my argument, to wit, the sanctity of MS as a whole. Therefore, my suspicion on her is much lower than it was at its peak.havingfitz wrote:Pan appeared to be your top suspect prior to your late switch to town. Has she done anything other than her reluctant hammer to drop or did I just manage to pass her?
Your "case" against Cojin was certainly well documented. It seemed to boil down to (a) you do not like Acosmist's lengthy posting and (b) sticking your fingers in your ears and running around ignoring everyone and everything. As for the case for Lawls's scummy behavior, I believe it is documented from Page 1 to Page 16 of this thread; check it out. (I would like to preemptively note that you are likewise being sarcastic and snarky, so I do not think I will be responding to calls from you to adjust my own posting style at this time.)havingfitz wrote:As for Cojin…he played scummy. I made my case against him...feel free to review it. . . . I made my reasons for voting Cojin clear…what was your reason for a convenient vote on the [sic] Lawls? Can you justify to the rest of us your last second move to a townie wagon?
Welcome to being wrong:havingfitz wrote:I gave plenty of reason for my suspicions towards Cojin and I have never tried to get any policy lynched.
Emphasis added, happy to help.havingfitz wrote:For those who want to use wrong votecounts as an excuse for hammering....Cojin is currently at L-1. I'm keeping my vote on him because his game is rubbish. He has lurked, provide cr@p responses to question when he's bothered to answer them, and sought approval for his actions from the rest of the players. Could he be town? Sure. But if he is a doc as he claims to be.....I'm not even sure scum would bother killing him at night since surviving would make his claim even more doubtful.His play just warrants a lynch.Then maybe scum would have mercy and NK one of the town wallposters.
BTW...Ray and Bridges are doing a great job of making Cojin and Lawls look like active participants.
Not so much, apparently.I try to get people for scummy actions/accusations....such as accusing others of pushing for policy lynches.
It's still on this page; your mouse wheel not scrolling properly?What were your reasons again for suspecting Lawls? I ask because you never really made much of a case on Lawls when you voted him.
Acosmist wrote:I think he's scum for what he did before, avoiding questions, recycling analysis, etc. I think the pressure of keeping up his facade when he was faced with the kind of play here broke him, and he threw in the towel.
We agree completely on that...I'm not saying it's scummy they weren't around, because, at least in Ray's case, Panacea actually found him missing from the other games he's in...but, their absence did prevent us from getting a read on them at a crucial time.havingfitz wrote:If we can get Ray and Bab involved that would be a bonus.
I don't like it either. I didn't like what he did with Cojin, either...I mentioned it before. Why jump off quickly and then be willing to jump back on?I really don't like this post. At the time this was made Lawls was at L-1 and Pan had not voted yet. You dig for a last second Cop claim and basically switch from from one L-1 wagon to another. I like the *sigh* though...it adds that extra feeling touch.
That's...surprising.Coming out of D/N1 I'm leaning against Acosmist being scum.
You're in college, live a little, kid.Panacea wrote:Did anyone else realize how little of a (rl) social life they have over this Night Phase..?
What did you expect?Well, that tells me absolutely nothing about Acosmist.
I second this concern. Sup, Nacho?First, any sort of leaning toward D1 claims sets off warning bells in my head. I don't really get why he'd be "digging" for the Cop when so little time was left before deadline, though. Nacho, was your intention actually to encourage the claim?