Nachomamma8 wrote:Cases on each?
My case on you rests largely on my interpretation of a certain sequence of events...here...
Cojin wrote:more so im messaging mith, i think lawls essently avoided his lynch by going awol ill claim that you killed a usefull ally and you will find out on my death scene this game pisses me off to much now.
Here's Cojin being Cojin (for the record, that's a full step above being Lawls). He flipped out because he thought he was lynched. As I've said before, I
did not
think Lawls masterminded the replacement shenanigans to avoid a lynch; as we've seen, it didn't help and he was town anyway, so it's definitely not a scum gambit. Because Cojin was thinking along lines (Lawls-as-mastermind) that I thought were dead ends, I didn't pay much attention to this post. I also thought going to mith about the Lawls situation was an overreaction.
So I really did not think much of that. Then this post from you:
Nachomamma8 wrote:Unvote
While there is the off chance that Cojin is being sneaky and incredibly manipulative, I'm not buying it.
Vote: BridgesAndBalloons
I'll give my reasoning when you give yours. We need a good lynch wagon on scum to start, and you're my top suspect. <3
I did not see what you saw. If I had thought Cojin was a good lynch, his actions would not have brought my vote off. Perhaps that's just how my personality works; in any case, it seemed weird that you seemed to "buy" his defense. I couldn't see the defense.
Then Cojin said this:
Cojin wrote:seems im not dead :/ well now that i soft claimed im dead tonight. eather way laws should be lynched now.
As far as I can tell, I was in the middle of a huge post at the time (I seem to have posted shortly after) so I did not immediately make the connection, but my next post after my wall was:
Acosmist wrote:Votes should probably be pulled off Cojin now.
The "soft claim" made me think Cojin was claiming some sort of town power role, so my reaction was to suggest that we pull votes off him (as I noted later, not because we could trust him but because a fake power role claim in a Newbie game would be a crushing burden to maintain, so he's caught if lying and a bad lynch if honest. The cost-benefit analysis favors not lynching such a claimant on day 1.).
It took me until Cojin's bringing attention to his "soft claim" to make the connection. You seemed to unvote right quick, though. Because you knew he was town, and, given the regulative principle against lying as town, you knew he was almost certainly being honest? That's what I figured was going on. When doubts about the honesty of his claim got some traction (probably from havingfitz), you were willing to lynch him...as long as you could fall back on the "He was acting scummy!" defense, you were perfectly ok being on a townie lynchwagon.
That's my case. There is some conjecture there, as you see.
I don't know how to reconcile the fact that you and havingfitz are my top suspects with his aggressive attack on you. I do remember leading a day 2 campaign against my scumbuddy in a recent off-site game, so it's not as if that clears one of you...but the way you two have interacted, I just don't know how to make sense of it.
Against Bridges: He and RayFrost avoided the end-of-day issues surrounding Lawls and Cojin. Before someone goes off half-cocked, I didn't say they intentionally avoided posting; they just weren't here at that important time. I have had almost no read on Bridges the entire game. My back-and-forth with RayFrost ended up with me thinking that Panacea's misspeaking led to a whole big useless argument with RayFrost. I don't have a read from Bridges OR RayFrost on the end-of-day issues, but I have earlier reads on RayFrost that give me slightly good vibes. I have no such earlier reads on Bridges to fill me with confidence. Thus, Bridges loses out.
Nachomamma8 wrote:Do you find BaB's ISO 22 scummy?
No. If he were scum wanting to suggest a nightkill strategy based on gaming lynch-or-lose situations, he could 1. do it himself; 2. suggest it to his buddy at night.
If BaB gets replaced, will you still see him as scum?
No, because my leaning scum on him is more about what he hasn't done than what he has done. At this point, he's, say, a 0 for scuminess. Other people have done enough good things that they are above 0, even if not by much. You and havingfitz are in the negative numbers.
If I flip scum, does BaB look better or worse in your eyes?
I think slightly better. You seemed to be on him to post - if you wanted him to keep quiet, you would have just let that go, I think. I think he also threw a vote on you that did not look like it was scum-on-scum.
If better, would you no lynch over lynching him?
No, he'd still be in the range where I'd consider him a lynch target. Most people are in that range. Yesterday, I did not see anything that put Cojin in that range, so, as I said, I would not be voting for him absent something really strong. The situation you and Panacea seemed to be in, where you didn't want to lynch Lawls but were more afraid of No Lynch? Yeah, if you make that a Cojin lynch and make me the one with the decision to make, I probably would not have voted Cojin even then. (Of course, his claiming and my interpretation of it colored that whole deal even further...but this is a hypo. Deal.) Bridges after your lynch would still be in the range where my vote could go to him; I wouldn't have such an aversion to it that I'd No Lynch instead.
Who is most likely to be BaB's scumpartner?
You or havingfitz, because you two are scummiest...hm...havingfitz.
Crap, I saw something in my re-read that bothers me...interactions with Elementary Fermion. I don't like them. First attacking, then trying to guide with a gentle hand through the game...almost like he's guiding a newb? I mean, that's his job, right (everyone here seems to be one of those ICs or SEs or whatever)? But there could be more to it...all right, I'm making a note of that.
Who is least likely?
Panacea.
What has BaB done to make him more likely scum than RayFrost?
Again, more the non-doing. I even did a review of his posts just now, and, man, some of it just reads like a Lawls post with infinitely better grammar. There's some stuff that's just bland, unresponsive, just...contentless, thin gruel. It's not as if all his posts are like that, but it's enough to make me wonder...
Also, I really feel cheated out of content at the end of the day...that sucked and distorted my perception. And Bridges and RayFrost should set about correcting that...now!
Is my ISO 14 scummy?
Yes, it bothered me that you were trying to get me to stop posting and accusing my posts of having a roundabout effect on my win condition by making it harder to get replacements. The rest of your post is just being incorrect; that's not a scum tell, don't worry.
In your eyes, who has the highest chance of being my scumbuddy?
havingfitz
Why?
You've both done scummy things, and you've both commented negatively on my posting style (which I think is helpful whether you think I'm scum or town). His attack on you confuses the issue, but there are reasons for it (I guess you people call it "bussing" on this site).
Was my position on Lawls scummy?
Did you have a position on Lawls?
Why/Why not?
Can't answer that; don't know what you thought of him.
Do you agree with havingfitz's ISO 54?
I did want to know about calling for a cop claim, yeah. I don't get why Panacea gets different treatment from doing the same thing as you.
Why?
You voted town and tried to distance yourself from it in the same post. I don't buy "But we can't No Lynch!!!!!!!!!" as a universally valid justification for lynching someone you think will be town, just to get information.
Whose scumflip would incriminate me the most?
I don't think the sole fact of anyone's being scum would make me think you two were buddies together...I am capable of reading a lot of things that have happened as scum interactions, but none of them jumps out at me as incapable of any other interpretation.
What is the scummiest position I have taken?
Nachomamma8 wrote:Pan, stop sucking up to the mod >.>
Cojin, you're acting... weird. Freaking out and claiming PR when you're at L-2 and no one really wants to lynch you isn't TownCojin play...
I mean, I just read Newbie 908, where you pegged two scum in two days after a successful Doc protect; the only thing that messed up your game was vanilla fakeclaiming cop... The Cojin that's playing in this game definitely isn't the Cojin that's playing in that one...
Unvote, [L-1]Vote: Cojin
That one. Let's lynch a claimed doctor? Hey, let's not.
Who has seemed the towniest from interactions with me?
Elementary Fermion. Your reasons on him were bunk. Your attack just made me feel better about his towniness; if he's town, thank you!
. The game's lost its glory without them, and the person who I felt was skimming said posts is now dead... Also, if these questions sound like rolefishing: don't answer them. Point out why you feel their rolefishing. If you don't want to answer a question, say why. The answers aren't as important as the taking positions.
