Mini 931: Supreme Court Mafia (Game Over post 682)

[camn]

Wait... how the hell is Jack cop confirmed town? Have I missed something?

I actually explained it pretty clearly, I think.
No need to read posts when you already know who is who, right Jason?

Isn't this at odds with your Jason/DryFit/Darox scumteam hypothesis?

I don't see how.
Care to explain?

You first, Darox.
If we are going to play this game where you ask thousands of questions... it cuts both ways.
You left this question hanging, IIRC.

Also, Fishy has summed it up pretty well.

Yes, I have read you. I know you didn't label me or pman until after Jack's statement. Luckily, that's completely irrelevant. The point is that my play is clearly not lurking, and you labelling it as such to score a point against camn is completely wrong..

And finally:

You're the one who asserted that scum are lurking. So if that's true, who do you think is lurking camn?.

It isn't true.
I think scum lurk.
I do NOT think all lurkers are scum.
Also.. and this is very important, so read carefully........ I think scum that LURK are more dangerous than scum who don't lurk.

That said, scum also spam. The more mud in the water, the better.
Especially in lylo with questions they don't even care about .

VOTE : DAROX

[Jack]

I'm good with a darox lynch.

[Fishythefish]

I'm not trying to 'score points' against camn. If you've been reading, you would know I don't want to lynch camn today.

OK, "score points against camn's arguments".

In other news.

You claimed a vanilla townie.

Why were you afraid of claiming as such 'in case of scum'?

Was it simply because you are an attorney? Surely you couldn't be worried about me counterclaiming you as an attorney.
Was it because the Bubs school of thought 'Judges are town, lawyers are scum'? But that wouldn't matter if I claimed before you or not, because you would still have claimed lawyer.

So why the worry?

None of that. Very, very simple: the more town players you know are vanilla, the easier it is to fakeclaim as scum. If you were worried I might have tracked/watched/rolecopped you, you would claim accordingly. The earlier scum have to claim, the more difficult it is - regardless of the roles that claim later.

I am certainly not yet ready for a Darox lynch - I don't actually find him that scummy, generally. I much prefer jason for a lynch.

Darox: can we try one more time. This is what I dislike:
0. I haven't been lurking in this game, except for one V/LA and the below.
1. You are arguing with camn, because he has a scumread on a lurker, at least partly for being a lurker, but also has a townread on camn.
2. Jack says I'm lurking, which I have been for 72 hours.
3. I make a post with a decent amount of content, which also apologises for that lurk.
4. You say I'm lurking to further discredit camn's point - because he has a townread on me.
It's the fact that I wasn't lurking, and you said I was, which furthered your side of the argument. Can you explain what you were thinking?

@camn: I think your wagon analysis pointing to Dry-Fit and jason is good. I think your PoE to get to Darox in that post has many more assumptions and is correspondingly much weaker. I also really don't see reasoning for Darox-scum anywhere else in your posts. His recent argument against you isn't that bad. Apart from labelling my play as lurking, he really did nothing wrong there. I really think your vote is in the wrong place.

[camn]

I'm good with a darox lynch.

Lets do it then. I really think he is the third.

@Fishy, I also support a Jason lynch... but I have a pretty short attention span, and Darox's play today reeks of scum-futation to me.

[pman5595]

did a very quick read-through on jason

his switch from major Jack tunneling to suspicion of DLA because of DLA's suspicion of Jack is bad, his fos on bud is worse, he seems like he is trying to blend into the town. Will most likely vote him once I get a chance to do a detailed read-through

[Darox]

Darox: can we try one more time. This is what I dislike:
0. I haven't been lurking in this game, except for one V/LA and the below.
1. You are arguing with camn, because he has a scumread on a lurker, at least partly for being a lurker, but also has a townread on camn.

2. Jack says I'm lurking, which I have been for 72 hours.

3. I make a post with a decent amount of content, which also apologises for that lurk.
4. You say I'm lurking to further discredit camn's point - because he has a townread on me.

It's the fact that I wasn't lurking

, and you said I was, which furthered your side of the argument. Can you explain what you were thinking?

Which is it?

At the time, I felt you were a lurker. In any case, the question and related topics was about getting camn to look for herself, to see if she would just glaze over everyone that wasn't Dry-Fit, or if she would outright refuse it on basis that "Darox is scum and everything he says is a scum trick", or hopefully, realize she's being a bit silly.

Seems she's decided to stick to #2.

Also.. and this is very important, so read carefully........ I think scum that LURK are more dangerous than scum who don't lurk.

So you're voting me instead of these dangerous scum lurkers? I don't get it.

That said, scum also spam. The more mud in the water, the better.
Especially in lylo with questions they don't even care about.

You mean useless questions like showing that both pman and Dry-Fit are looking at the game and provided snappy responses?

Yeah I'm really dragging this game down with pointless information.

Wait... how the hell is Jack cop confirmed town? Have I missed something?

I actually explained it pretty clearly, I think.
No need to read posts when you already know who is who, right Jason?

Isn't this at odds with your Jason/DryFit/Darox scumteam hypothesis?

I don't see how.
Care to explain?

You first, Darox.
If we are going to play this game where you ask thousands of questions... it cuts both ways.
You left this question hanging, IIRC.

Actually, I reponded to it here.

So.. no explanation then, Darox?

I support a lynch of {Dry-fit, Jason, Darox}.

The Darox-Jason bussing is fine with me. If scum want to fight amongst themselves, thats fine.
It will not lead us astray.

Why would the scum try to bus in Lylo?

Furthermore, what makes you think I'm scummy?

Feel free to review the entire game and tell me what you come up with.

Do you know why scum wouldn't bus first thing in LYLO? Because it's retarded.

And you still haven't shown why I'm scummy. Or is it because I'm obviously scum, so you don't need reasons to lynch me?

Please be serious here.

[Jack]

With only two town roles, a "sanity not guaranteed cop" and a veto holder, it's quite possible there are only 2 scum.

[Battousai]

Vote Count:

Darox -2- jasonT1981, camn

Not Voting:

Netopalis, pman5595, Dry-fit, Darox, Fishythefish, Jack

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch!

[Jack]

btw. The cop gets probable/not probable in his results. I didn't feel like pointing out the flaws in assuming that Yos had an innocent on me before, but it's relevant to the "how many scum" and thus "bussing in lylo" question. The reason I didn't see where he breadcrumbed when you said it was obvious earlier is because I don't think he did. It would only be a probable in any case.

[pman5595]

With only two town roles, a "sanity not guaranteed cop" and a veto holder, it's quite possible there are only 2 scum.

I don't like this post. I could see scum doing this to try to convince town that it is not mylo (which is what it would be if there are 3 scum), to attempt to make a mislynch easier.

[Darox]

Wait wait wait wait wait.

Day 3.

8 people.

5 to lynch, 4 for researched.

Day 4.

6 people, 4 to lynch, RESEARCHER CANNOT ACT.

We're not in lylo regardless.

[Darox]

Oh wait let me see those rules.

[Darox]

Ok deadline rules mean we can still achieve a lynch on scum even if they make up 3/6 of the town, it'd just be difficult.

So we're in SORTOF Lylo, but not true lylo

[Dry-fit]

I see the case on Darox but I'm more confident jason is scum right now. Ever since his early jack vote I haven't liked his play. Just about every one of his posts seems like it's coming from a scum perspective rather than a town one.

[Jack]

I like jason as scum, but he's been so...badly scum. I would have to check his meta.

[pman5595]

Ok deadline rules mean we can still achieve a lynch on scum even if they make up 3/6 of the town, it'd just be difficult.

So we're in SORTOF Lylo, but not true lylo

not really, If I understand the rules the scum could just put their 3 votes on someone really quickly and not change ever. So it is 3 scum mylo.

[camn]

Hmm. Maybe we AREN"T in lylo.
That would be a very good thing.

@Darox: it is hard to be serious with you when you are being so imprecise..

In 605, you say you responded to my question.. but you quoted your response to a different post entirely. I really don't get it. Are you saying Jason is bussing JACK?

UNVOTE
VOTE: NO LYNCH

I am tired, and hungry.. but I think this is the right play.

[Jack]

I thought of that before. However, there is presumably still one townie out there who requires one less vote to lynch--and at 7 alive, 4 to lynch, if there are three mafia they could quicklynch.

[Darox]

Hmm. Maybe we AREN"T in lylo.
That would be a very good thing.

@Darox: it is hard to be serious with you when you are being so imprecise..

In 605, you say you responded to my question.. but you quoted your response to a different post entirely. I really don't get it. Are you saying Jason is bussing JACK?

UNVOTE
VOTE: NO LYNCH

I am tired, and hungry.. but I think this is the right play.

...

No, I quoted my response to you asking if I wasn't going to answer your question. Please try to pay attention. Jack isn't even mentioned anywhere in 605, at all.

No lynch is a bad idea. 3 guesses for why.

[Darox]

Ok deadline rules mean we can still achieve a lynch on scum even if they make up 3/6 of the town, it'd just be difficult.

So we're in SORTOF Lylo, but not true lylo

not really, If I understand the rules the scum could just put their 3 votes on someone really quickly and not change ever. So it is 3 scum mylo.

That's what I meant by difficult.

[camn]

No, I quoted my response to you asking if I wasn't going to answer your question. Please try to pay attention. Jack isn't even mentioned anywhere in 605, at all.

Yes, he is.
Right in the middle.
Jason mentioned him. (Tried to Un-clear him, imo.)
I replied to Jason.
You said "Isn't this at odds with your Jason/DryFit/Darox scumteam hypothesis?"
I asked you to explain.
You said "Why would the scum try to bus in Lylo?"
Which made so little sense, I didn't think it was a reply to the original question... but just another of your many, many random questions.

No lynch is a bad idea. 3 guesses for why.

Explain.
I think it is.

[Darox]

That's because you're stupid.

No lynch = Jack dies, we're in the exact same situation except scum has better control over the lynch.

[camn]

WHY AM I ARGUING WITH SCUM????

Help me, town.
This is infuriating.

[Darox]

Incidentally I was planning to ask one or two people what they thought about no lynch, because it's such a terrible idea for town, and I wanted to see who would try to go for it.

[Jack]

You could argue with my 617 instead.