Just got to bv actually posting, and I have a 3rd scumspect. Espionage is my 4th. If I needed a fifth it'd probably be NickF.
So therefore I don't think that Richard or boberz is scum.
Boberz (no offense) reads as about the biggest VI ever (and I've played with a lot of VI's).
Javert does make a couple good points about Porochaz. Probably upgrade him to my 5th suspect.
@Sera: What differentiates a scum pbpa from a town pbpa? Why are all pbpa's scummy?
Sera's reaction to boberz does reinforce my position on him. Shortly (edit, I lied, it's not short at all), my case against Sera is this:
First thing that seemed off to me was the seemingly jump into a serious note while instead prolonging the RVS (
PZ is obv scum, must be wagoned in ISO 2 to
PZ is scum because he's a pirate/said 'arr' in ISO 5.
Really doesn't say anything until Sera votes for Richard in ISO 14 (for no reason, and before the infamous "you all should lynch me" quote from Richard)
Seraphim in ISO 18 wrote:I don't want Richard lynched but I do want to see more votes on him. I'm not letting him get away with this 'gambit' bullshit unless he pulls out some analysis. I don't care if he's inexperienced or not, wallowing in self-pity does the town no favors. Under pressure, scum will often pull 'gambits' as a way to take pressure off themselves. Nope. Not gonna happen.
-snip-
Does anyone else see the dichotomy here? Sera doesn't want Richard lynched, but does want more votes on him (???) and Richard said he was pulling a gambit which Sera says scum are more likely to do (so why doesn't Sera want Richard lynched again?)
Seraphim in ISO 21 wrote:Depending on what Richard does next, bv may be my next suspect. I may have to read up on his meta because his posts are throwing up red flags.
Ooooookaaaaay, Richard does deserve to be lynched. (This is after asking Jah and bv opinions on Rich in ISO 19, and then in ISO 20 asking for clarification on bv's position after bv responds to ISO 19)
ISO 22 is also a classic, so let me bold the important parts:
Seraphim wrote:FoS: All 'lurker hunters'
I don't know how many of you are scum or not
. All I know is that your crusade is not helping anyone and is getting on my nerves.
It's not scum hunting because you have no reason to believe DocPotter is scum
. If he doesn't post today, he'll be replaced. Big effing deal. It's the first week of the first Day. By focusing solely on the lurkers, you are acting like them by not participating in the game and giving us little or no read on you. Use your vote to hunt possible suspects and let the mod do his job.
Anon's recap post is terrible.
Richard is not an 'easy target', Richard is a player with strange anti-town behavior that needs more consideration and more pressure. He's been backpedalling and doing all sorts of scummy stuff. Not to mention jumping on a wagon based on the RVS based on this craplogic is very bad. Very bad. I wouldn't doubt that if Andrew is scum, Anon is scum with him.
dybeck, why ABR?
If I had another vote, I would be voting bv310. He's straddling the fence like a horny anteater. He's still voting Porochaz for 'extending the RVS'. Bullshit. Not to mention, as stated earlier, his posts just scream scum to me.
First bolded: FoS'ing people that essentially want activity from all players; especially when not even bothering to look at the motivations behind each of the posts asking for lurkers to be poked with a sharp stick. Suspicion of a group without regard to pro-townieness/scumminess? riiiight
Second bolded: singling out a single lurker asking if they were scum. This does not seem sincere at all: it's a sweeping generalization about why people are voting for lurkers. Even if it's "not scumhunting" it is progressing the game.
Third bolded: This is the best of them all: Richard is anti-town, and then he's scum (which is largely for the same behavior that richard has been doing all game, and previously Sera didn't want him lynched)
Oh, and what happened to that bv hate? Oh, it comes up
herewhere he accuses bv of not taking a serious stand on anything; but just goes on with his regularly scheduled program of pushing what I feel he knows to be a Richard mislynch. Like so:
Seraphim in ISO 26 wrote:Please explain, since you are such an expert at reading players, why he backpedaled and then said his 'lynch me now' statement was a gambit.
All of which has been said previously comes from scum. This continues in
ISO 27 and
ISO 28
Finally Sera decides that the wagon on Richard isn't going to go through so he puts a "case" together on bv
here
Oh, and just forget about Sera's whole first portion of the game where he was pushing for a lynch of Richard because:
Seraphim in ISO 43 wrote:I just feel like Richard is exhibiting VI behavior.
Also, my feelings towards the wagon are influenced by the fact that my major suspect(bv) in on there along with a few other players I have questionable reads on.
Richard: summarize your play so far in the game in five words or less.
Also, why is Faraday scum?
O RLY? Must've been a pretty convincing VI since you said he was scum throughout the game until that point.
Sera's still not done attacking Richard (since he's a VI, right?) in
ISO 44 and
ISO 45
His extended case against BV looks forced at this point (
linky especially the part about "PZ is vig" (this is stupidity, that statement was not alignment indicative) and the "bv brought up his lurker meta, but hasn't lurked" (oookay, so why is this scummy?) and finally for "attacking richard a lot".
Yes, read that last line again. Attacking richard a lot is now a scumtell (apparently).
Don't forget to combine these gems of wisdom:
Seraphim in ISO 50 wrote:-snip-
Still, I feel like bv310 is the place to be. My gut and my head are in agreement.
Seraphim in ISO 60 wrote:While bv has not done much to decrease his scumminess, I think he is more likely to be town than I originally thought.
I think both the Espeonage and Nick wagons warrant further investigation.
Seeing as the Nick wagon is based on a really strange contradictory statement he made, I will wait for him to explain himself. In the meantime, time to check up on this Espeonage guy...
He's {bv} absolute scum, Sera's head and gut are in agreement, but he's likely to be town.....
Also:
Seraphim in ISO 55 wrote:-snip-
Second point: bv wagon = Papa Zito, Anon, Seraphim, Espeonage, farside22, curiouskarmadog, RichardGHP
hmmm...if we assume I'm town, I feel the town is the majority here. Richard is VI, I think. That doesn't excuse his play but that's what I'm feeling right now. That's likely to change if he doesn't get off his lazy ass and post. Espeonage is most likely to be bussing scum...I don't get that feeling from Richard.
Seraphim in ISO 61 wrote:I'm not letting bv310 off the hook...I'm just ensuring that I'm not ignoring what else is happening in the game. Also, I've been looking at the bv wagon and a lot of the scummier players in the game are on it. This has caused me to doubt the wagon's validity.
Wait, what? This is the wagon on bv about 17 hours after Sera's post, and no votes or unvotes occurred during that period (early page 22 to first post page 23)
Patrick wrote:bv310 (7) -- Papa Zito, Anon, Seraphim, Espeonage, farside22, curiouskarmadog, RichardGHP
Hmm, looks like the same wagon to me. Wonder what changed here... (hint, it's nothing, and Sera is looking for any reason not to lynch his partner bv on Day 1)
Then throw in the "boberz post is IIoA" "oh wait it isn't" "hmm, they're still not helpful to the town and therefore boberz is still scum" that Javert pointed out recently.
tl; dr version: Sera is scum because he pushed hard on somebody he truly didn't believe was scum (Richard) and flip-flopped on bv for absolutely no reason other than he doesn't want his partner bv lynched. He also doesn't believe in boberz being scum.
Finally, in the time I've been putting this together:
/slaps both boberz and Richard
Cut that crap out. Neither of you are making decent points and you're just spamming for spams sake.
I'm done for a while, that wiped me out and I can barely see anymore. I might post something on dybeck later for being scum with bv and seraphim.
I'm going on a crusade to put more thought into my posts.
No, my name is not "Ed."